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Offline JoppaMill

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Chrome using just two screens?
« on: August 01, 2017, 10:06:09 AM »
I'm trying to work a way to get a chrome effect (like a car emblem) using the least amount of screens possible without substantially affecting the quality. Going on dark shirts red and black. Like to hear some of your thoughts. Outside the box or traditional. I'm really want to play mad scientist with this one. Thanks.
« Last Edit: August 01, 2017, 11:35:42 AM by JoppaMill »
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Re: Chrome using just two screens?
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2017, 10:30:58 AM »
You need to create the design with the shirt color in mind.  Shirt color will ALWAYS influence separation method to a greater or lesser extent.

Post it up and we will tell you how few colors we would use to make it look Great/Good/Maybe passable ;)
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Re: Chrome using just two screens?
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2017, 11:19:23 AM »
From my years at Andy's, where they created and worked with the best car art in the biz, I learned that the most effective effect of chrome was achieved with reflections of grass or sky.
Two screens certainly adds a challenge.
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Re: Chrome using just two screens?
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2017, 11:34:27 AM »
Hey guys sorry. I should have been more specific. Take the Toyota symbol for example. Completely monochrome on say a red shirt. Underbase can be used as a double hit option. Thanks
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Re: Chrome using just two screens?
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2017, 11:50:46 AM »
Silver and white   or black and white  best would be 3 screens black, white and silver
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Re: Chrome using just two screens?
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2017, 01:20:17 PM »
You can also do

Base white
Tonal Black 3-6% black pigment into base or cmyk black.  "Something that prints light/grey" over another color but looks black on the shirt.
White highlite - Add 15-30% base of choice to your white so it prints more translucent.  This will blend better with the black.

Or skip the highlite white completely if you need.
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Re: Chrome using just two screens?
« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2017, 01:48:59 PM »
You can also do

Base white
Tonal Black 3-6% black pigment into base or cmyk black.  "Something that prints light/grey" over another color but looks black on the shirt.
White highlite - Add 15-30% base of choice to your white so it prints more translucent.  This will blend better with the black.

Or skip the highlite white completely if you need.

this, we just would not base it down. Highlight would almost be a must to get finer transitions. Our black is translucent already as it is a part of sim process system.
Two hits of ubase and black on top will make the image choppy where you start the black ink.

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Re: Chrome using just two screens?
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2017, 02:18:22 PM »
Looks like three screens would even be cutting it a bit short to me, if you're going for accuracy.

Am I the only one here who sees a cool grey and a warm grey?
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Re: Chrome using just two screens?
« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2017, 02:24:35 PM »
Looks like three screens would even be cutting it a bit short to me, if you're going for accuracy.

Am I the only one here who sees a cool grey and a warm grey?
(Because I could be wrong :) )
you are right, there are two shades of gray, 'just not sure that would actually be important if they are trying to reduce the color count. . .

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p.s. good catch! I did miss that. . .
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Re: Chrome using just two screens?
« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2017, 03:12:56 PM »
Looks like three screens would even be cutting it a bit short to me, if you're going for accuracy.

Am I the only one here who sees a cool grey and a warm grey?
(Because I could be wrong :) )

So how about a double hit white underbase, warm grey, cool grey, black (4 screens total/5 revolutions)?
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Re: Chrome using just two screens?
« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2017, 03:15:06 PM »
Silver and white   or black and white  best would be 3 screens black, white and silver

I like this for the a three screen option. Thanks
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Re: Chrome using just two screens?
« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2017, 09:07:02 PM »
Looks like three screens would even be cutting it a bit short to me, if you're going for accuracy.

Am I the only one here who sees a cool grey and a warm grey?
(Because I could be wrong :) )

So how about a double hit white underbase, warm grey, cool grey, black (4 screens total/5 revolutions)?

I think Pierre is right, you wouldn't want to double hit the base for dark shirts.

If I were trying to get the range with the fewest screens, I'd do an underbase, black (halftoned for cool grey, see Colin's excellent hints on that), a warm light brown/grey, and a highlight white.

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Re: Chrome using just two screens?
« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2017, 08:01:21 AM »
So........as mentioned a few times already, 2 screens not a good option. Mediocre results at best.

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Re: Chrome using just two screens?
« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2017, 10:05:40 AM »
I think you could get a acceptable result using Liquid silver and black but its all in the seps
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Re: Chrome using just two screens?
« Reply #14 on: August 02, 2017, 04:31:38 PM »
Right up front I'd advise against using just 2 colors, if you want it to look "right". Like Darryl, White, Gray, Black. If unrestricted, another gray and a highlight white.

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