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Offline RICK STEFANICK

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10 minute tri lock set up
« on: March 12, 2019, 02:56:27 PM »
Can anyone re-post that link with Denver Print House doing the 10 minute 12 color breakdown and set up using tri-lock? I cannot find it
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Offline Doug S

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Re: 10 minute tri lock set up
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2019, 03:10:52 PM »
It's not a job if you love doing it.

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Re: 10 minute tri lock set up
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2019, 04:05:53 PM »
Also we have a friend here has done it blindfolded. (Setup) Critical to me is pre-op and post-op. Perfectly prepared screens, for instance helps a lot. Press carts with all the proper ingredients and instructions goes a long way. Think of this....the breakdown should be a big help when you take away those actions .Two minutes per screen for breakdown should  be a goal IMO.

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Re: 10 minute tri lock set up
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2019, 04:15:36 PM »
Thanks, TP by the way Big Dave's video is posted up on a separate thread
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Re: 10 minute tri lock set up
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2019, 06:45:26 PM »
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VFkNFaCgSpU&t=5s

This was a while back but in our new shop. We still do this stuff everyday. You can ask John Sheridan, he’s been the production manager here now going on about a year if I remember right. Our process is quite a bit different now that we are a 100% waterbase shop but overall super fast setups.

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Re: 10 minute tri lock set up
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2019, 10:55:35 PM »
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VFkNFaCgSpU&t=5s

This was a while back but in our new shop. We still do this stuff everyday. You can ask John Sheridan, he’s been the production manager here now going on about a year if I remember right. Our process is quite a bit different now that we are a 100% waterbase shop but overall super fast setups.
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Re: 10 minute tri lock set up
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2019, 10:59:49 PM »
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VFkNFaCgSpU&t=5s

This was a while back but in our new shop. We still do this stuff everyday. You can ask John Sheridan, he’s been the production manager here now going on about a year if I remember right. Our process is quite a bit different now that we are a 100% waterbase shop but overall super fast setups.
Danny you still running square tube? are they s mesh or ?
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Re: 10 minute tri lock set up
« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2019, 12:05:44 AM »
He went from rollers to static frames with s mesh if my memory serves me correct.
I was intrigued because his work is so demanding. Now all waterbased, Bravo!

How are the statics doing overall compared to the rollers Mr. G ?


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Re: 10 minute tri lock set up
« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2019, 08:29:43 AM »
watched one of the videos is it really just 11-12 minutes, I see a lot of prepress and after press work done by someone and 2 employees so isn't that at the least 24-30 minutes labour on setup, why not put 4 people on it and post a 3 minute video? Sorry to sound negative but I think the majority of 3-5 person shops on here could do this as well if they had 7-10 people!

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Re: 10 minute tri lock set up
« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2019, 08:46:24 AM »
The video shows that you can achieve minimal downtime with on-press set up, to keep your shop running and making money.

Yes, pre-press planning is a large part of what makes this possible and having a cleanup staff - even if its just one person is important.

For smaller shops, yes - it will be difficult to come close to the times that Danny has posted.  But with some forethought and proper processes in place, your downtime for on-press set up can be minimized greatly.
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Re: 10 minute tri lock set up
« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2019, 01:00:11 PM »
we have a modified tri loc.  I will say, number of people is only one part of the equation and has pretty fast diminishing returns based on what i see in our shop.  3 people vs 4 people is negligible for example.  3 is faster than 2, but not much.  Personal ability is the biggest factor.  triloc or modified triloc style registration is awesome, but it isnt completely idiot proof.  Everything has to be done precisely through the whole process, the press has to be zeroed and calibrated, there will be adjustments based on ink type, mesh count, blade type, etc that the triloc cannot account for as well.

I would have one person mix and prep inks, and that same person pretape screens, then your pre-setup is effectively done.  As far as the videos and what they show, the two man team is fine, one breaks down, one sets up, and the person who broke down begins to ink/squeegee/etc when they finish breaking down, which will be before the setup guy is done setting up and regging.  he then hops on to finish the setup.  When things go right in our shop, actually running test prints and making adjustments to get the print looking great takes longer than the registration/ink/squeegees/micros most of the time, but again it depends on who is on the press more than the number of people.

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Re: 10 minute tri lock set up
« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2019, 01:59:20 PM »
In Alabama, we had several plastisol 10 color jobs where we turned them over in ten minutes. Of course, that requires considerable coordination and preparation but it is possible. Much depends on staff. I understand this is not possible or practical with many shops.

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Re: 10 minute tri lock set up
« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2019, 02:58:02 PM »
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VFkNFaCgSpU&t=5s

This was a while back but in our new shop. We still do this stuff everyday. You can ask John Sheridan, he’s been the production manager here now going on about a year if I remember right. Our process is quite a bit different now that we are a 100% waterbase shop but overall super fast setups.
You like the permanent blockout? Anything you don't like about it?

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Yes and no... for plastisol I liked it better but wb can find its way through anything so we are back to using a fair amount of tape.
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Re: 10 minute tri lock set up
« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2019, 02:59:20 PM »
He went from rollers to static frames with s mesh if my memory serves me correct.
I was intrigued because his work is so demanding. Now all waterbased, Bravo!

How are the statics doing overall compared to the rollers Mr. G ?

Overall I’m happy with our static’s that we continue to use. I would probably prefer rollers for the control but with the current system we have here thre static’s do very well.
Danny Gruninger
Denver Print House / Lakewood Colorado
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Re: 10 minute tri lock set up
« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2019, 03:00:20 PM »
He went from rollers to static frames with s mesh if my memory serves me correct.
I was intrigued because his work is so demanding. Now all waterbased, Bravo!

How are the statics doing overall compared to the rollers Mr. G ?

Overall I’m happy with our static’s that we continue to use. I would probably prefer rollers for the control but with the current system we have here thre static’s do very well.
s-mesh?

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