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Synergy White
« on: May 04, 2019, 12:02:34 AM »
Climbing my squeegee and sticking to it will magic help? Also not rolling?
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Re: Synergy White
« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2019, 11:18:22 AM »
We tested a gallon here a while back and while the ink prints really well we had a lot of issues with it and it just wasn't very opaque. Plus I had a lot of puff in it

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Re: Synergy White
« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2019, 11:00:16 PM »
what can I do to keep it from climbing and sticking to the squeege and flood. Will magic work or mess with opacity?
Thanks!
Shane


I noticed the puff also.
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Re: Synergy White
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2019, 01:44:20 AM »
use a squeegee for a flood bar. It will stop climbing and print whiter. Lower your heat to stop the puff. We really don't have that problem and when we were testing it would take a boatload of heat before puffing (the old ink from about two years back was very sensitive). It cures at 285, so keep your temps down! Hands down, the best white ink on the market!

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Re: Synergy White
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2019, 11:06:33 AM »
what can I do to keep it from climbing and sticking to the squeege and flood. Will magic work or mess with opacity?
Thanks!
Shane


I noticed the puff also.
Shane

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5% chino base will help a lot and not affect the opacity. And with all the kick ass whites out there why would you be using a white containing dulling paste or any additive that puffs? Try epic quick and enjoy the fast flash, killer hand and opacity and a short bodied chemistry that foods like intended. just saying. OR contact Dave at Bimmridder he knows all the tricks with that white. He swears by it

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Re: Synergy White
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2019, 04:04:30 PM »
its been about 2 years since we tested.  did the formulation change?  we cure everything low, so it definitely was not getting too much heat (we run ELT and Rio standard, exit temps max around 330 surface on our tiny dryer so it isnt getting past that and barely hitting that just at the end).  Havent had any other ink puff like the synergy did.  it was so extreme it was noticeably distorting the shirt material when you looked inside the shirt, as an example.

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Re: Synergy White
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2019, 10:05:35 PM »
its been about 2 years since we tested.  did the formulation change?  we cure everything low, so it definitely was not getting too much heat (we run ELT and Rio standard, exit temps max around 330 surface on our tiny dryer so it isnt getting past that and barely hitting that just at the end).  Havent had any other ink puff like the synergy did.  it was so extreme it was noticeably distorting the shirt material when you looked inside the shirt, as an example.

yes, the formulation has changed (was adjusted) several times in the last two years. Each tie it addressed on issue like the puff or climb. I had multiple discussions with Joe about calling them V1, V1.5 and V2, but he wanted to stay with same name.
If you have not tried the current version, you should. It still climbs, but if you use a squeegee as a floodbar there are no issues.

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Re: Synergy White
« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2019, 12:51:46 PM »
its been about 2 years since we tested.  did the formulation change?  we cure everything low, so it definitely was not getting too much heat (we run ELT and Rio standard, exit temps max around 330 surface on our tiny dryer so it isnt getting past that and barely hitting that just at the end).  Havent had any other ink puff like the synergy did.  it was so extreme it was noticeably distorting the shirt material when you looked inside the shirt, as an example.

yes, the formulation has changed (was adjusted) several times in the last two years. Each tie it addressed on issue like the puff or climb. I had multiple discussions with Joe about calling them V1, V1.5 and V2, but he wanted to stay with same name.
If you have not tried the current version, you should. It still climbs, but if you use a squeegee as a floodbar there are no issues.

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Pierre, I respect your opinions greatly but please explain to me what could possibly be the advantage big enough with this white that other top whites dony have that would make wanting to deal with it crawling up the squeegies. I'M all about production flow and being efficient and not stopping ,Thats why we require winged flood bars in all our white screens as we can load more ink with alot less scraping. Inks that run up the squeegies just seem to be adding a variable that doesnt need to be added as we work to eliminate variables? just curious

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Re: Synergy White
« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2019, 01:02:13 PM »
A question about climbing inks.
What's the flip side of the quality or characteristic that allows an ink to climb?
What does it bring to the table that's desirable?
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Re: Synergy White
« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2019, 01:06:47 PM »
its been about 2 years since we tested.  did the formulation change?  we cure everything low, so it definitely was not getting too much heat (we run ELT and Rio standard, exit temps max around 330 surface on our tiny dryer so it isnt getting past that and barely hitting that just at the end).  Havent had any other ink puff like the synergy did.  it was so extreme it was noticeably distorting the shirt material when you looked inside the shirt, as an example.

yes, the formulation has changed (was adjusted) several times in the last two years. Each tie it addressed on issue like the puff or climb. I had multiple discussions with Joe about calling them V1, V1.5 and V2, but he wanted to stay with same name.
If you have not tried the current version, you should. It still climbs, but if you use a squeegee as a floodbar there are no issues.

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Pierre, I respect your opinions greatly but please explain to me what could possibly be the advantage big enough with this white that other top whites dony have that would make wanting to deal with it crawling up the squeegies. I'M all about production flow and being efficient and not stopping ,Thats why we require winged flood bars in all our white screens as we can load more ink with alot less scraping. Inks that run up the squeegies just seem to be adding a variable that doesnt need to be added as we work to eliminate variables? just curious

Hey Rick, those are very valid points and 'am glad you asked! Taking things for granted is a surefire way to get in trouble.

Joe's ink prints about 30% faster than anything else we've tried (which is some, but not all or even most). It also needs minimal stirring to break down and be ready to print. It is usually good to go after doing the test prints. If not, few more strokes and it's good to go. It also flashes super fast (since it cures at 285) and it does great receiving the top colors.
This translates in faster printing speeds (we've had the full fronts going at over 1K/hour) and less monkeying around with flashes. The faster flash times also mean it is cooler when it gets to the next station and thus less headache.
For longer runs, we just build a dam on the screen. For shorter runs it's one re-ink and we are done. You can possibly try to something with the additives. I would ask Joe and see what he says.

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Re: Synergy White
« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2019, 01:09:01 PM »
A question about climbing inks.
What's the flip side of the the quality or characteristic that allows an ink to climb?
What does it bring to the table that's desirable?

It has a shorter body, that means it will not drag through the mesh and will stay in place after the mesh pulls out of the ink film. This makes for sharper prints, faster printing and better opacity.
Poly inks tend to be long bodied and gooey. Just the opposite of what we want, but when it's poly we don't really have a choice.

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Re: Synergy White
« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2019, 01:37:52 PM »
Working to finish off a fiver of this from the first batch. Tried a gallon and LOVED the fast flash and matte finish, so jumped at a 5. The climb and heavy body got to be too much and I abandoned it for some Legacy. Ran out of white a few weeks ago and realized I still had this so I broke it back out just to run through it. Can't wait until it's gone. I'd consider giving to newer mix a try, but it would need to be far better. I'm glad it's working for the one's using it. 
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Re: Synergy White
« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2019, 01:46:02 PM »
its been about 2 years since we tested.  did the formulation change?  we cure everything low, so it definitely was not getting too much heat (we run ELT and Rio standard, exit temps max around 330 surface on our tiny dryer so it isnt getting past that and barely hitting that just at the end).  Havent had any other ink puff like the synergy did.  it was so extreme it was noticeably distorting the shirt material when you looked inside the shirt, as an example.

yes, the formulation has changed (was adjusted) several times in the last two years. Each tie it addressed on issue like the puff or climb. I had multiple discussions with Joe about calling them V1, V1.5 and V2, but he wanted to stay with same name.
If you have not tried the current version, you should. It still climbs, but if you use a squeegee as a floodbar there are no issues.

pierre

Pierre, I respect your opinions greatly but please explain to me what could possibly be the advantage big enough with this white that other top whites dony have that would make wanting to deal with it crawling up the squeegies. I'M all about production flow and being efficient and not stopping ,Thats why we require winged flood bars in all our white screens as we can load more ink with alot less scraping. Inks that run up the squeegies just seem to be adding a variable that doesnt need to be added as we work to eliminate variables? just curious

Hey Rick, those are very valid points and 'am glad you asked! Taking things for granted is a surefire way to get in trouble.

Joe's ink prints about 30% faster than anything else we've tried (which is some, but not all or even most). It also needs minimal stirring to break down and be ready to print. It is usually good to go after doing the test prints. If not, few more strokes and it's good to go. It also flashes super fast (since it cures at 285) and it does great receiving the top colors.
This translates in faster printing speeds (we've had the full fronts going at over 1K/hour) and less monkeying around with flashes. The faster flash times also mean it is cooler when it gets to the next station and thus less headache.
For longer runs, we just build a dam on the screen. For shorter runs it's one re-ink and we are done. You can possibly try to something with the additives. I would ask Joe and see what he says.

pierre

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