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5 color Sim-Process w/ Discharge
« on: April 07, 2011, 04:27:52 PM »
1.) Discharge Underbase (No Flash)
2.) PMS 136 Golden Yellow
3.) PMS 179 Red Orange
4.) Burgandy
5.) Black

All colors printed wet on wet.



(P.S. Sorry about quality of print pic, took with a cell phone. The other is the pre-press proof with halftones.)


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Re: 5 color Sim-Process w/ Discharge
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2011, 04:31:10 PM »
Hey, looky at that.  Great stuff. WET ON WET?   WOW that makes me....happy. We don't need no stink'n FLASHES.
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Re: 5 color Sim-Process w/ Discharge
« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2011, 04:39:24 PM »
According to Union Ink's destructions, flashing the "Plasticharge" will stop the discharge process (or slow it down) I wanted to get as much white as I could. Printing wet on wet inks allowed more time for the discharge to work, as well as help the halftones blend better! I'm extremely happy with it.

1 drawback: The EXTREMELY long exposure time for the special discharge emulsion. 10 minutes. Ugh!

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Re: 5 color Sim-Process w/ Discharge
« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2011, 11:34:18 PM »
Very cool!

quick question, why discharge and which emulsion did you use?

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Re: 5 color Sim-Process w/ Discharge
« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2011, 11:52:13 PM »
Nice!

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Re: 5 color Sim-Process w/ Discharge
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2011, 01:05:16 PM »
Very cool!

quick question, why discharge and which emulsion did you use?

pierre

To answer Pierre's question:
I wanted to use discharge in order to avoid the top ink colors acting like skaters on an ice rink.
Also, customer wanted a vintage/destroyed look, as well as a softer finish.

I used Chromaline emulsion.

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Re: 5 color Sim-Process w/ Discharge
« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2011, 01:58:24 PM »
Here's a better image of the final print. By the way, I washed the shirt. Forgive the wrinkly-ness. :)


And for those of you who are wondering what I started out with...here's the customer provided cell phone art.



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Re: 5 color Sim-Process w/ Discharge
« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2011, 02:10:08 PM »
That looks great, nice job on the art.

Are those plastisol inks on a discharge base or all discharge colors?

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Re: 5 color Sim-Process w/ Discharge
« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2011, 12:18:15 AM »
Ann, the stuff looks great! Do you have any more you could share?

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Re: 5 color Sim-Process w/ Discharge
« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2011, 12:26:12 AM »

1 drawback: The EXTREMELY long exposure time for the special discharge emulsion. 10 minutes. Ugh!

EGAD!

What exposure source are you using? I have a 1200w metal halide and I'm at much less than 2 minutes for any screen. I use Ulano 925WR and some newer CCI stuff, WR-25.


Nice print by the way. Is it straight plastisol on top of the discharge?
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Re: 5 color Sim-Process w/ Discharge
« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2011, 08:28:49 PM »
That looks great, nice job on the art.

Are those plastisol inks on a discharge base or all discharge colors?

Hey Sqeegee,
Yes, I used discharge only for the underbase, and regular plastisol for the colors. Worked beautifully.
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Re: 5 color Sim-Process w/ Discharge
« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2011, 08:29:35 PM »
Ann, the stuff looks great! Do you have any more you could share?

pierre

Pierre,
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Re: 5 color Sim-Process w/ Discharge
« Reply #12 on: April 30, 2011, 08:31:28 PM »

1 drawback: The EXTREMELY long exposure time for the special discharge emulsion. 10 minutes. Ugh!

EGAD!

What exposure source are you using? I have a 1200w metal halide and I'm at much less than 2 minutes for any screen. I use Ulano 925WR and some newer CCI stuff, WR-25.


Nice print by the way. Is it straight plastisol on top of the discharge?
Evo,
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Re: 5 color Sim-Process w/ Discharge
« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2011, 08:51:06 PM »
Hmm. I could see doing that print with no underbase at all, just 3-4 colors of overlapping w-o-w discharge.
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Re: 5 color Sim-Process w/ Discharge
« Reply #14 on: April 30, 2011, 08:58:07 PM »
You'll be amazed at the difference a really good exposure unit will make.  If and when you go to a good Metal Halide Single Point unit, not only will it expose your screens in a shorter time period, you'll get crisper (sharper) stencils as well.  You'll need to make sure the positives on the film are as dense (light blocking) as possible though, as the more intense light will go thru a weaker stencil.
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