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General => Manufacturer's section => Action Engineering => Topic started by: Action1 on August 10, 2017, 06:20:38 AM
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You guys are great for assisting with your valuable input. Thank you very much.. Please help with another 'Yay or Nay'
Here's one that we've been requested to do on numerous occasions. Our latest new machinery enables us to develop these ideas when we couldn't do so easily before.
This is a Screen Divider. You have a screen with two images burned on it. This lets you create a dam so the ink won't get to the back stencil. Where as previously you would have masked off the back stencil, now you don't. This also brings forward the resting position for the squeegee which make's it much more back friendly. You'll be printing quicker and easier.
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Not a bad idea...
I can see it for manual presses with back clamps only. Maybe offer a special with Ryonet.
If you have side clamps on your manual press, bungie cords are quicker and cheaper to run across.
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We use tape to do this. It's fast and cheap.
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I did something like this many years ago, but so I could print 2 colors from the same screen (the art allowed for it). Otherwise, I'd tape...
Steve
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I am always down for stuff like this. Sure we can make, tape etc. but this kind of stuff move the needle forward in my mind. I would be game to try it out as I do a ton of double image burns. Couple that with all manual, back clamp only...
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Great idea for people that are lazy ;D or don't have the creativity, I've did this for years but I would take coroplast and but tape on each side and made dam's, I've even printed 3 colors once in a screen doing this because the art was colored just right for it. I think for your new printers coming in they would jump all over this for some of us old dogs maybe not so much.
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You guys are great! Thank you so much for your time and attention once again.
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Great idea for people that are lazy ;D or don't have the creativity, I've did this for years but I would take coroplast and but tape on each side and made dam's, I've even printed 3 colors once in a screen doing this because the art was colored just right for it. I think for your new printers coming in they would jump all over this for some of us old dogs maybe not so much.
newbies? yeah maybe, I guess depending on price point. I wouldn't spend over 30 bucks on a product like this I can make out of some bolts and wing nuts.
you guys need to make ink knives. GOOD ones, we can't seem to find an ink knife that is worth a hill of beans. Now that I would pay good money for....
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would entirely depend on pricepoint and how simple (aka easy to clean) it would be. For the squeegee holder, think simpler. Just put a squared "C" shape extrusion straight up on the top so the whole thing is one flat piece of metal or plastic or whatever. No angles for ink to get stuck in and should be cheaper since no welds are necessary. I currently use tape for the dam (cheap and no cleanup time), and use a longish $10 toggle clamp attached to one side of the frame for holding my squeegee. Fast, cheap, no cleanup time since it floats above the tape dam.
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Great idea for people that are lazy ;D or don't have the creativity, I've did this for years but I would take coroplast and but tape on each side and made dam's, I've even printed 3 colors once in a screen doing this because the art was colored just right for it. I think for your new printers coming in they would jump all over this for some of us old dogs maybe not so much.
newbies? yeah maybe, I guess depending on price point. I wouldn't spend over 30 bucks on a product like this I can make out of some bolts and wing nuts.
you guys need to make ink knives. GOOD ones, we can't seem to find an ink knife that is worth a hill of beans. Now that I would pay good money for....
And a good, angles, curved scoop for 1 gallon buckets like this:
(http://www.walltools.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/650x/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/a/d/adv-38406_new.jpg) but smaller and not as wide, maybe a little longer handle.
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We use a DIY version of this on our manual press. It makes a huge difference in say, x100 left chest prints. Way less reaching. Two clamps and some aluminum. $15 all in.
If it was less than $50 and the three pieces (bar and clamps) stayed attached we'd be able to put it on quicker. That's about the only improvement it needs as far as I'm concerned. And saving time is the only way I'd see us justifying an upgrade over this current setup.
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1 more vote for what's already been said: If you can make a combination squeegee rest/ink dam that is quick to install/uninstall, easy to clean, and easily affordable, then you might onto something. But it has to be affordable to a one-man manual shop who'd like to buy probably 4-8 of them, and who's accustomed to a DIY rest. (We used leftover pieces of baseboard held in place with c-clamps from harbor freight.) Not having to keep track of clamps would be worth something... but I'm going to hazard a rough guess that you'd have to make this work for ~$60 (or less) per unit to interest most manual shops. I doubt I'd pay more than $300 to put them on all six heads of my manual. So... you decide if that's a yea or nay. ;)
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Why are yall using c clamps and aluminum or whatever. Youre over thinking whsts requited to hold a squeegee upright. Just buy these and be done with it: https://m.lowes.com/pd/IRWIN-QUICK-GRIP-12-in-Clamp/1205683
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Why are yall using c clamps and aluminum or whatever. Youre over thinking whsts requited to hold a squeegee upright. Just buy these and be done with it: https://m.lowes.com/pd/IRWIN-QUICK-GRIP-12-in-Clamp/1205683
Too small ain't it? I wonder what size you need for 23x31 frames?
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That was just a link I found on google. I use longer ones that go across all but maybe an inch of the frame, and I only use 23x31 frames. They have a bunch of sizes at lowes and home depot.
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I am with Homer make a damn ink spatula that is worth using. At least for us plastisol users. Everything out there today is wet lasagna after a couple scoops of a thick ink.
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I am with Homer make a damn ink spatula that is worth using. At least for us plastisol users. Everything out there today is wet lasagna after a couple scoops of a thick ink.
This is one that we were talking about last week actually. Is this what you have in mind? This is for removing ink from a frame.
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1 more vote for what's already been said: If you can make a combination squeegee rest/ink dam that is quick to install/uninstall, easy to clean, and easily affordable, then you might onto something. But it has to be affordable to a one-man manual shop who'd like to buy probably 4-8 of them, and who's accustomed to a DIY rest. (We used leftover pieces of baseboard held in place with c-clamps from harbor freight.) Not having to keep track of clamps would be worth something... but I'm going to hazard a rough guess that you'd have to make this work for ~$60 (or less) per unit to interest most manual shops. I doubt I'd pay more than $300 to put them on all six heads of my manual. So... you decide if that's a yea or nay. ;)
Thank you very much Prince Art. Yes - we are going to be under that number for this. We anticipate $50-$55 will be workable. Also - all the parts are powder coated a light grey color.
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1 more vote for what's already been said: If you can make a combination squeegee rest/ink dam that is quick to install/uninstall, easy to clean, and easily affordable, then you might onto something. But it has to be affordable to a one-man manual shop who'd like to buy probably 4-8 of them, and who's accustomed to a DIY rest. (We used leftover pieces of baseboard held in place with c-clamps from harbor freight.) Not having to keep track of clamps would be worth something... but I'm going to hazard a rough guess that you'd have to make this work for ~$60 (or less) per unit to interest most manual shops. I doubt I'd pay more than $300 to put them on all six heads of my manual. So... you decide if that's a yea or nay. ;)
Thank you very much Prince Art. Yes - we are going to be under that number for this. We anticipate $50-$55 will be workable. Also - all the parts are powder coated a light grey color.
It'll be interesting to see where you go with this. Even though I don't own any Action stuff at this point, I'm always fascinated by what you come up with.
A thought: I'd look at the possibility of using toggle clamps instead of screw down. Not sure if it would work, but flipping a lever is faster & easier than screw/unscrew.
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Make a seamless ink scoop... That handle is never going to get clean.
The best ones we use are seamless stainless pie spatulas from the dollar store. Yes they cannot lift up half a gallon of ink they will bend... But they are easy to clean because they have no handle materials to hold the ink. Also they are rounded, on every corner therefore nothing to rip our sensitive S mesh.
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Why are yall using c clamps and aluminum or whatever. Youre over thinking whsts requited to hold a squeegee upright. Just buy these and be done with it: https://m.lowes.com/pd/IRWIN-QUICK-GRIP-12-in-Clamp/1205683
that's what we use, 18" models, and a piece of 2" packing tape for a dam when needed. I think I picked up that trick here too.
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Ink scoops. You'll thank me later. Order 100, $1 each.
www.ebay.com/itm/4-pcs-Gallon-Spatula-Ink-Scoop-Silk-Screen-Printing-Shovel-Goop-Scoop-Plastisol-/371761133886?hash=item568eb0b93e:g:1AsAAOSwg3FUgkLG (http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-pcs-Gallon-Spatula-Ink-Scoop-Silk-Screen-Printing-Shovel-Goop-Scoop-Plastisol-/371761133886?hash=item568eb0b93e:g:1AsAAOSwg3FUgkLG)
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Why are yall using c clamps and aluminum or whatever. Youre over thinking whsts requited to hold a squeegee upright. Just buy these and be done with it: [url]https://m.lowes.com/pd/IRWIN-QUICK-GRIP-12-in-Clamp/1205683[/url] ([url]https://m.lowes.com/pd/IRWIN-QUICK-GRIP-12-in-Clamp/1205683[/url])
I use these for all kinds of woodworking and some steel work, but find some of them will slip or lose their grip after a while. How about this from HD or Lowes? These suckers have a great spring grip and a smaller profile.
http://www.homedepot.com/p/BESSEY-1-in-Steel-Spring-Clamp-with-Handles-and-Tips-XM3/205512958 (http://www.homedepot.com/p/BESSEY-1-in-Steel-Spring-Clamp-with-Handles-and-Tips-XM3/205512958)
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Those don't have the long extrusion to prop up the squeegee. I'll post a pic later since it doesn't seem like people are understanding. I've never had one of the quick clamps move or slip while printing.
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You're right.
My post was for the one post that had an aluminum bar across and using the spring clamps to hold the bar to the screen edge instead of the C clamps.
I think you're saying you use the longer Irwin clamp horizontal across the screen to support the squeegee. If that's right, don't you get ink in the hard to clean crevices of the Irwin clamp?
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This is what I made from flat stock aluminum many years ago. Works fine. The sides are bent to press against the screen and hold it in place. Press on, press off.
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