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General => General Discussion and ??? => Topic started by: RICK STEFANICK on March 12, 2019, 02:56:27 PM
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Can anyone re-post that link with Denver Print House doing the 10 minute 12 color breakdown and set up using tri-lock? I cannot find it
Thanks
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I believe this was it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_FDQFkZBwk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_FDQFkZBwk)
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Also we have a friend here has done it blindfolded. (Setup) Critical to me is pre-op and post-op. Perfectly prepared screens, for instance helps a lot. Press carts with all the proper ingredients and instructions goes a long way. Think of this....the breakdown should be a big help when you take away those actions .Two minutes per screen for breakdown should be a goal IMO.
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Thanks, TP by the way Big Dave's video is posted up on a separate thread
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VFkNFaCgSpU&t=5s
This was a while back but in our new shop. We still do this stuff everyday. You can ask John Sheridan, he’s been the production manager here now going on about a year if I remember right. Our process is quite a bit different now that we are a 100% waterbase shop but overall super fast setups.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VFkNFaCgSpU&t=5s
This was a while back but in our new shop. We still do this stuff everyday. You can ask John Sheridan, he’s been the production manager here now going on about a year if I remember right. Our process is quite a bit different now that we are a 100% waterbase shop but overall super fast setups.
You like the permanent blockout? Anything you don't like about it?
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VFkNFaCgSpU&t=5s
This was a while back but in our new shop. We still do this stuff everyday. You can ask John Sheridan, he’s been the production manager here now going on about a year if I remember right. Our process is quite a bit different now that we are a 100% waterbase shop but overall super fast setups.
Danny you still running square tube? are they s mesh or ?
Shane
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He went from rollers to static frames with s mesh if my memory serves me correct.
I was intrigued because his work is so demanding. Now all waterbased, Bravo!
How are the statics doing overall compared to the rollers Mr. G ?
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watched one of the videos is it really just 11-12 minutes, I see a lot of prepress and after press work done by someone and 2 employees so isn't that at the least 24-30 minutes labour on setup, why not put 4 people on it and post a 3 minute video? Sorry to sound negative but I think the majority of 3-5 person shops on here could do this as well if they had 7-10 people!
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The video shows that you can achieve minimal downtime with on-press set up, to keep your shop running and making money.
Yes, pre-press planning is a large part of what makes this possible and having a cleanup staff - even if its just one person is important.
For smaller shops, yes - it will be difficult to come close to the times that Danny has posted. But with some forethought and proper processes in place, your downtime for on-press set up can be minimized greatly.
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we have a modified tri loc. I will say, number of people is only one part of the equation and has pretty fast diminishing returns based on what i see in our shop. 3 people vs 4 people is negligible for example. 3 is faster than 2, but not much. Personal ability is the biggest factor. triloc or modified triloc style registration is awesome, but it isnt completely idiot proof. Everything has to be done precisely through the whole process, the press has to be zeroed and calibrated, there will be adjustments based on ink type, mesh count, blade type, etc that the triloc cannot account for as well.
I would have one person mix and prep inks, and that same person pretape screens, then your pre-setup is effectively done. As far as the videos and what they show, the two man team is fine, one breaks down, one sets up, and the person who broke down begins to ink/squeegee/etc when they finish breaking down, which will be before the setup guy is done setting up and regging. he then hops on to finish the setup. When things go right in our shop, actually running test prints and making adjustments to get the print looking great takes longer than the registration/ink/squeegees/micros most of the time, but again it depends on who is on the press more than the number of people.
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In Alabama, we had several plastisol 10 color jobs where we turned them over in ten minutes. Of course, that requires considerable coordination and preparation but it is possible. Much depends on staff. I understand this is not possible or practical with many shops.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VFkNFaCgSpU&t=5s
This was a while back but in our new shop. We still do this stuff everyday. You can ask John Sheridan, he’s been the production manager here now going on about a year if I remember right. Our process is quite a bit different now that we are a 100% waterbase shop but overall super fast setups.
You like the permanent blockout? Anything you don't like about it?
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Yes and no... for plastisol I liked it better but wb can find its way through anything so we are back to using a fair amount of tape.
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He went from rollers to static frames with s mesh if my memory serves me correct.
I was intrigued because his work is so demanding. Now all waterbased, Bravo!
How are the statics doing overall compared to the rollers Mr. G ?
Overall I’m happy with our static’s that we continue to use. I would probably prefer rollers for the control but with the current system we have here thre static’s do very well.
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He went from rollers to static frames with s mesh if my memory serves me correct.
I was intrigued because his work is so demanding. Now all waterbased, Bravo!
How are the statics doing overall compared to the rollers Mr. G ?
Overall I’m happy with our static’s that we continue to use. I would probably prefer rollers for the control but with the current system we have here thre static’s do very well.
s-mesh?
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Our inventory is over 90% s mesh
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Thank you for the responses. We are re- training all our teams to use the tri-lock on ALL set ups and am going to show the videos at the start of the sessions. Does anyone have a written training manual that you custom wrote specificaly for employee tri-lock training other than the published M/R one. I can use some info from that but need one customized more for specific team training. I am working on one now so if there are no responses I will have one complete by the end of next week i can share. please email me in addition to posting if you have anything. thanks in advance
rick@eaglepromotions.com
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Hey I got a follow up-
Does anyone know of some vids showing skilled load/unloaders and how the support crew works around them?
Once you get setup improved this seems to be the next major challenge.
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It is all in the pre-op/post op. All said, we do not live in a perfect world and it is not difficult to place blame. The energy path must be translated..
Easily said but not always easy to apply. Most systems are based in a XYG theory. Three points should get you there. That applies to most pre-reg systems. If all are not in (close to) perfect synergy then yes, there can be questions as to whether this works. I can tell you it does.
Not selling anything just been there with foots on the ground!
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Hey I got a follow up-
Does anyone know of some vids showing skilled load/unloaders and how the support crew works around them?
Once you get setup improved this seems to be the next major challenge.
THIS IS A GREAT QUESTION.
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That's what i am working on but wanted to lay it out in the manual then our floor managers will demonstrate to the 16 press teams how to do just that. I'm not sure if i can post a video.