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Title: Who are you Mentors?
Post by: tonypep on April 23, 2019, 03:54:18 PM
I will start with mine although they are probably obvious. First and foremost is Joe Clarke. Runners up are Richard Greaves and Mark Coudray.
To be sure, I have penned a few articles in the day but they will never compare with what they have contributed and will continue to do so. Greaves on Garments was such an important source of information in an educational void. And of course, Control without Confusion was and continues to be a standard even if I did not get the title right
Side note, my literary and art inspirations come mainly from Tom Robbins and Nick Bantock. Not to take away from anyone past and possible future contributers.
tp
Title: Re: Who are you Mentors?
Post by: ericheartsu on April 23, 2019, 03:56:08 PM
all 3 of those gentlemen are the best.

Tony you've been up there for alot of us on this board.

Danny (don't let him see), is another one.
Title: Re: Who are you Mentors?
Post by: Orion on April 23, 2019, 04:18:41 PM
Same here TP. Before the interwebs came along the monthly trade rags were my go to source for knowledge.

Greaves website is still up and contains the screenprinters guide book. The M&R Textile Printers Bible, co-authored by Joe Clarke and Colleen Lynch, is out on the web. Of course many articles by Coudray can be found too.

p.s. A snip from Bill Hood's Who's Who...."Bill Wainer is perhaps best known as the original printer of the Legendary Nocona Boot Series. He did the Rattlesnake, Bank Robber, Scorpion designs, and maybe the Gila Monster. When his shop closed, Wainner drove to California to turn the program over to Mark Coudray. That series went on to become the foundation for four color process and ultimately Joe Clarke’s  definitive book on Four-Color Textile printing, “Control Without Confusion.”

Bill Wainer installed a used Precision electric for me back in the day. He also taught me to stretch roller frames by hand.
Title: Re: Who are you Mentors?
Post by: tonypep on April 23, 2019, 05:19:56 PM
Did not know that about Bill Wainer. Also a pioneer. Certainly a Precision Electric may be on Americas Pickers soon!
Title: Re: Who are you Mentors?
Post by: Atownsend on April 23, 2019, 07:52:27 PM
Used to read tons of bill hood articles / books in the early days of my shop. Totally forgot about that guy, wasn't he on this board for a while? Or maybe that was a different one, either way Bill Hood was pretty influential for me. Found Joes Textile Printers Bible a couple yrs ago, super info there. Still a great resource. Connecting with another semi local shop owner was also pretty helpful. Being able to step into another successful shop to see how they did things right and also wrong has also been massively helpful.
Title: Re: Who are you Mentors?
Post by: Dottonedan on April 23, 2019, 08:13:20 PM
I probably read Control without confusion several times over. I used to soak in everything mark Coudrey wrote. I was the oddball at my work that wanted all of the old magazines to read the articles. At one time, I was a hoarder of trade magazines and had them in stacks organized by year and month. Probably had about 8 years of them x 3 trade mags. The Press, (harder to organize with the others)  Printwear, Impressions, ScreenPrint and a few stragglers. Highlighted and yellow post it all thought every one of them. When I had any issues, I could refer back to them.  Not so much today. Our phone and google is today's magazine library.
So, Mine were Mark Coudrey, Jeff Campos, and Thomas Freska (Spelling?) but I believe he was the editor and I also think there is a Jr that is also in the screen print industry as a contributor but I have not seen much of him. I followed every story about anyone who would write about separation (but there weren't as many) Mostly Mark Coudrey (Current Hero), Jeff Campos and The Current and still great Scott Fresenor. He was another Hero Icon when I was growing up and still is today. ;)   All of these guys are friends of mine today, so that's pretty awesome. Except Jeff Campos. He disapeared from the screen print lime light about 15 years ago.
I know Bill Wainer today, but didn't know he was a part of all of that back in the day. But now, at least I can say I've directly worked with the one and only Tony Pepitone. ;)
Title: Re: Who are you Mentors?
Post by: brandon on April 23, 2019, 09:58:20 PM
Without being an ass kisser tons of people on here over the years. The amount of personal interaction and help has been amazing. Not only that but friendships out of it  That's hard to beat.
Title: Re: Who are you Mentors?
Post by: prozyan on April 24, 2019, 12:34:37 AM
A long time ago a man named Roger Jennings taught me most of what I know about screen printing.
Title: Re: Who are you Mentors?
Post by: tonypep on April 24, 2019, 05:17:13 AM
Thank you Dan for the comment. My post was not meant to be a solicitation at all. My GF says that is good to be the one and only. She could not put up with of two of me!
Title: Re: Who are you Mentors?
Post by: BP on April 24, 2019, 07:00:29 AM
All these guys are great. But back in the day Al Patsy and his son Ben Patsy show me the world of Emulsion and Mesh. Also read anything Lon Winters dose!

And a big shout out to David Zimmer!
Title: Re: Who are you Mentors?
Post by: rusty on April 24, 2019, 10:05:51 AM
A long time ago a man named Roger Jennings taught me most of what I know about screen printing.

my very first press was an R Jennings and all I learned at first was from the VHS copy that came with the press. I was pretty much self taught for years.

But I will say the people on this board have shown me more in the past few years than anyone else I have talked to.

Will now get myself a copy of control without confusion.
Title: Re: Who are you Mentors?
Post by: dirkdiggler on April 24, 2019, 10:12:47 AM
A few guys on this very forum!  Like someone else mentioned, friendships made here are hard to beat.  All the guys mentioned have affected my life over the past 20 years, but  someone who really made a difference in my life was Rich Hoffman, I owe him everything!
Title: Re: Who are you Mentors?
Post by: RICK STEFANICK on April 24, 2019, 01:01:24 PM
The truth be said. Those guys mentioned are the main stream heros and trade publication contributors. But when it comes down to it there are a couple dozen regular people that know as much( maybe more) and still print everyday. Thats where the rubber meets the road my friends. Hit the floor and set me up a 16 color on black with a flock and foil in the same design then explain to me the importance of pallet temperature and my squeegie , mesh selection along with a garment that they ACTUALLY printed. Or someone that can actually go into a shop , analyze it and actually make real changes on the fly to get it running like a machine. Those are the guys that are the game changers. Just sayin
Title: Re: Who are you Mentors?
Post by: tonypep on April 24, 2019, 01:37:14 PM
All true however making changes on the fly can bring some interesting challenges. Immediate changes can often cause disorder. Yes, many vendors and icons may come in and be persistent. The Boots on the Ground people sometimes know better. Not always, however they do it every day. I have most always found it best to get feedback from them
Title: Re: Who are you Mentors?
Post by: RICK STEFANICK on April 24, 2019, 01:43:26 PM
All true however making changes on the fly can bring some interesting challenges. Immediate changes can often cause disorder. Yes, many vendors and icons may come in and be persistent. The Boots on the Ground people sometimes know better. Not always, however they do it every day. I have most always found it best to get feedback from them
Tony times have changed out there in the larger shops. the culture in most is not the same, the pace is fast and furious. With 15 autos running quick decisions have to be made often. Im not talking about average boots on the ground people. Im talking about the no names that have comperable knowledge in plant not just good writers with head knowledge. The unsung heros are the people that impliment the knowledge in real time everyday.  A person cant roll on past reputation forever. Lets see something new for a contributor? tell the people about new techniques, show samples, print specs, DO A VIDEO. ahhh  thats what i knew you would be thinkin. not gonna happen because most of the mentioned heros cant actually set up a press and print, actually coat a screen or print a 4 layer HD with flock that they are writing about.. How about a 10 color discharge design in a shop with zero humidity.  I heard some one say  " you wanna impress me STEVIE? Then take the wheel"
Title: Re: Who are you Mentors?
Post by: tonypep on April 24, 2019, 04:28:43 PM
RS very aware of all that. Sometimes though, the kids do not always like the big boys playing in their sandbox. As I am apparently stepping back and doing my own thing or partnering up with a small shop requires the perspective changes. You and I and most others here can perform the aforementioned tasks with ease..
Soup to nuts. All that said, I would like to thank all that contribute both here and in the past.
Title: Re: Who are you Mentors?
Post by: SEPSINK on April 24, 2019, 04:39:00 PM
Rick Roth has always been a very inspiring figure in the industry to me. Extremely knowledgable and most importantly, not a garbage person. The Ink Kitchen rocks as well!
Title: Re: Who are you Mentors?
Post by: Dottonedan on April 24, 2019, 05:36:31 PM
That Rick Stefanick guy. Yea, he's been around for a few years also. In many big named shops throughout the screen print history. He's done so much he's got to know "something" about everything. ;) Ribb'n ya,


 Great guy too. :)
Title: Re: Who are you Mentors?
Post by: Dottonedan on April 24, 2019, 05:38:01 PM
Rick Roth has been a great and "real" contributor to the industry as a whole in many ways we don't see every day. An he's a No BS kind of guy.
Title: Re: Who are you Mentors?
Post by: Dottonedan on April 24, 2019, 05:44:39 PM
The truth be said. Those guys mentioned are the main stream heros and trade publication contributors. But when it comes down to it there are a couple dozen regular people that know as much( maybe more) and still print everyday. Thats where the rubber meets the road my friends. Hit the floor and set me up a 16 color on black with a flock and foil in the same design then explain to me the importance of pallet temperature and my squeegie , mesh selection along with a garment that they ACTUALLY printed. Or someone that can actually go into a shop , analyze it and actually make real changes on the fly to get it running like a machine. Those are the guys that are the game changers. Just sayin


True. But at least one of them mentioned that I know off, (can) do as described.  But having a shop "continue' to do what was changed to make it run like a well oiled. machine (while there), is yet another story.
Title: Re: Who are you Mentors?
Post by: RICK STEFANICK on April 24, 2019, 05:48:46 PM
That Rick Stefanick guy. Yea, he's been around for a few years also. In many big named shops throughout the screen print history. He's done so much he's got to know "something" about everything. ;) Ribb'n ya,


 Great guy too. :)
Dan, I appreciate all that but After all these years I have realized and changed my management style. There are printers out there now that blow me away AND THEY UNDERSTAND AND RESPECT the craft of screen printing. This industry needs a fresh batch of mentors and all i'm saying is they are out there just not approached like the rest of us back in the day. The new age of tri- lock locking millenniall professionals are amongst us and quite honestly they still need us vetrans to learn the business financial side of production management. My hero's are no longer my mentors as I have been forced to conform, learn and apply in order to be my best and survive in this ever changing industry.
Title: Re: Who are you Mentors?
Post by: tonypep on April 24, 2019, 07:07:30 PM
All understood. A little nudging from the past never hurts though. It is a craft that is often underappreciated. At least here in the US and  elsewhere. As mentioned, some shops want to ink it up and get it out the door. Makes sense for many but not all. I do believe that future mentors are in the make and will make some of us humble. I am already.
Title: Re: Who are you Mentors?
Post by: Prince Art on April 25, 2019, 10:52:07 AM
My hero's are no longer my mentors as I have been forced to conform, learn and apply in order to be my best and survive in this ever changing industry.

Good life lesson in that. Past mentors/heros got you to one place. And they should always be respected for it. But if you don't want to stay stuck in that place as things change around you, you've got to have new input. Some old lessons are still quite relevant, some aren't. Some who helped in the past are still doing it now, some aren't. It's wise to see that help can come from the up & coming, too. As industry & the world at large change ever faster, there are a lot of new modes & models for production, sales, delivery, communication, etc. I'm not exactly a veteran, but I still see a lot of smart younger people who are thinking differently simply because they don't have any "old ways" to unlearn. They can just look at the situation for what it is NOW, learn it, and figure out how to make the most of it.
Title: Re: Who are you Mentors?
Post by: 3Deep on April 25, 2019, 11:27:40 AM
This got turn around fast LOL, I look at mentors as people who can teach you things you really wouldn't know or do and it doesn't mean they have to be able to do it themselves, but know how to teach you to be the best at what you do.  Michael Jordan was a heck of a basketball player, Phil; Jackson made him even better and Phil couldn't play nowhere as good as MJ, I look at mentors as someone to learn from, heck some of you guys on here have been mentors to me you might not know it.  I've got great art advice from Dan, Steve just to name a few.  Now if I look at the industry heavy weights Scott Fresener comes to mine Rich Hoffman, Thomas Trimmingham, I gotten some great advice from each of them at one time over the years.  Funny there are people out there that can't screw in a lightbulb, but can tell you everything there is to know about how it works how to build it and what it takes to make it work. ;)
Title: Re: Who are you Mentors?
Post by: RICK STEFANICK on April 25, 2019, 02:31:24 PM
GOOD POINT!!
Title: Re: Who are you Mentors?
Post by: tonypep on July 20, 2019, 06:18:48 PM
All true. The most important thing to know is what you do not. Still trying to figure out how to screw a lightbulb!
Title: Re: Who are you Mentors?
Post by: Sbrem on July 22, 2019, 10:52:36 AM
I don't know if I've considered anyone a mentor exactly, but I read Screenprinting magazine every month once I first saw one in '75, and derived what I could from there. A little later, when I saw an ad in in for Control Without Confusion, I bought a copy and read it 3 or 4 times, so many kudos to Mr. Coudray and Mr. Clarke. Before that, we had been directed to Serichrome Seps, and Fred Clarke, who made his process seps with a set of filters, and process camera, the super old school way. He was very helpful, a real gentleman who would take some time with you. I think most of the big boys would use him when they were taking equipment to trade shows. After that, a bunch of years later, the forums, and knowing enough to tell the wheat from the chaff, have had a lot of very helpful info, so in a way, all of us here as well as the well known educators out there. For me in particular, Al from Murakami writes very well.

Steve
Title: Re: Who are you Mentors?
Post by: tonypep on September 24, 2019, 12:11:25 PM
I do. It was  Joe Clarke. The differences from those who want to pull a squeegee for a paycheck and those who want to learn are vast. There are others such as Richard, but Joe laid it down before we ever knew what was possible.
tp
Title: Re: Who are you Mentors?
Post by: tonypep on September 24, 2019, 12:15:32 PM
Sorry, left out Mark Coudray
Title: Re: Who are you Mentors?
Post by: Sbrem on September 24, 2019, 04:02:24 PM
I dove in, and the only reference at the time was Screen Printing magazine. I did what I could to soak up useable info out of it. Then I bought Albert Kosloff's Photographic Screen Printing, and found other info and books. Consider I was using stapled, multi-filament polyester, which I'm sure would register zero newtons. And we made it work. So maybe that trade mag for starters. Then I bought Control Without Confusion, and that "larned me right". Joe's later writings taught me how to think outside of the box to solve problems. Still making films with a camera then. Richard Greaves visited our shop once (not mine, the one I worked at before opening my own) and gave us nice info. We had some fun as we had a new Matex 7 color from Italy that he wanted to see; he asked us to crank it, and he couldn't keep up, but that's because the machine could run so fast that no one could, we weren't exactly beginners. There was no point to that speed really. His writings were great too. I also had the chance to speak with Fred Clarke from Serichrome Seps back in the day, and Jeff Campos. All of these people helped me a lot. Though I never thought of them as mentors per se, the shoe fits.

Steve

Holy Cow, I've been so busy that I didn't realize I had already replied to this,
Title: Re: Who are you Mentors?
Post by: Orion on September 24, 2019, 05:28:44 PM
Why do we keep ignoring the ever useful Wilflex Textile User's Manual.  ;D  I still have an old copy of that somewhere.
Title: Re: Who are you Mentors?
Post by: Frog on September 24, 2019, 05:33:29 PM
Why do we keep ignoring the ever useful Wilflex Textile User's Manual.  ;D  I still have an old copy of that somewhere.


It has come up
http://www.theshirtboard.com/index.php/topic,17348.msg165520.html#msg165520 (http://www.theshirtboard.com/index.php/topic,17348.msg165520.html#msg165520)