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screen printing => Equipment => Topic started by: dirkdiggler on April 04, 2021, 12:41:45 PM
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Finally about to pull the trigger on something, with the EcoTex at the top of the list, but not a for sure without seeing whats out there. All the research on these in this forum are years old, I am looking for opinions now that you guys have had the units for a while. What has improved? What still sux? Which one is cost effective? Any help appreciated.
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We are very limited in space, means a 3 chamber auto reclaim unit might not fit in our current space. I did however look at the Inpro Combi-Eco a one chamber unit. Best solution for our shop. Still have to apply chemicals manually but all pressure washing and rinsing is fully automated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dqv-PvhTzJU&ab_channel=InproHolland (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dqv-PvhTzJU&ab_channel=InproHolland)
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there is a used M&R unit on digitsmith right now. It does not seem like there is a huge difference in performance between them.
We have the IT the uses dip tanks are pretty happy with it. What used to take full day is now done in an hour and a half or two at most. The screens look very good and every now and then if there is an issue we just run it through the cycle again. Flood rinse at the end. We also stopped using the mesh prep and everything is working fine.
Chemistry from IT seems to be significantly better than anything else we tried, but that would make sense since it was designed for their equipment. Other stuff was foaming or creating deposits in the lines and filters.
I think the advantage of the dip tank system is that it gives the emulsion remover time to work rather than being blasted few seconds after application.
You are welcome to stop by and check it out. Matt, our production manager will know a lot more about it, I am just telling you what he told me.
pierre
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there is a used M&R unit on digitsmith right now. It does not seem like there is a huge difference in performance between them.
We have the IT the uses dip tanks are pretty happy with it. What used to take full day is now done in an hour and a half or two at most. The screens look very good and every now and then if there is an issue we just run it through the cycle again. Flood rinse at the end. We also stopped using the mesh prep and everything is working fine.
Chemistry from IT seems to be significantly better than anything else we tried, but that would make sense since it was designed for their equipment. Other stuff was foaming or creating deposits in the lines and filters.
I think the advantage of the dip tank system is that it gives the emulsion remover time to work rather than being blasted few seconds after application.
You are welcome to stop by and check it out. Matt, our production manager will know a lot more about it, I am just telling you what he told me.
pierre
Excuse my lack of knowledge but what or who is "IT"?
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EcoTex is 22 weeks out FYI
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there is a used M&R unit on digitsmith right now. It does not seem like there is a huge difference in performance between them.
We have the IT the uses dip tanks are pretty happy with it. What used to take full day is now done in an hour and a half or two at most. The screens look very good and every now and then if there is an issue we just run it through the cycle again. Flood rinse at the end. We also stopped using the mesh prep and everything is working fine.
Chemistry from IT seems to be significantly better than anything else we tried, but that would make sense since it was designed for their equipment. Other stuff was foaming or creating deposits in the lines and filters.
I think the advantage of the dip tank system is that it gives the emulsion remover time to work rather than being blasted few seconds after application.
You are welcome to stop by and check it out. Matt, our production manager will know a lot more about it, I am just telling you what he told me.
pierre
Excuse my lack of knowledge but what or who is "IT"?
Image Technologies
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there is a used M&R unit on digitsmith right now. It does not seem like there is a huge difference in performance between them.
We have the IT the uses dip tanks are pretty happy with it. What used to take full day is now done in an hour and a half or two at most. The screens look very good and every now and then if there is an issue we just run it through the cycle again. Flood rinse at the end. We also stopped using the mesh prep and everything is working fine.
Chemistry from IT seems to be significantly better than anything else we tried, but that would make sense since it was designed for their equipment. Other stuff was foaming or creating deposits in the lines and filters.
I think the advantage of the dip tank system is that it gives the emulsion remover time to work rather than being blasted few seconds after application.
You are welcome to stop by and check it out. Matt, our production manager will know a lot more about it, I am just telling you what he told me.
pierre
Excuse my lack of knowledge but what or who is "IT"?
Image Technologies
Whats the cost on their system?
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there is a used M&R unit on digitsmith right now. It does not seem like there is a huge difference in performance between them.
We have the IT the uses dip tanks are pretty happy with it. What used to take full day is now done in an hour and a half or two at most. The screens look very good and every now and then if there is an issue we just run it through the cycle again. Flood rinse at the end. We also stopped using the mesh prep and everything is working fine.
Chemistry from IT seems to be significantly better than anything else we tried, but that would make sense since it was designed for their equipment. Other stuff was foaming or creating deposits in the lines and filters.
I think the advantage of the dip tank system is that it gives the emulsion remover time to work rather than being blasted few seconds after application.
You are welcome to stop by and check it out. Matt, our production manager will know a lot more about it, I am just telling you what he told me.
pierre
Excuse my lack of knowledge but what or who is "IT"?
Image Technologies
Whats the cost on their system?
We bought used, so not sure. But either 50 or 60k.
Piere
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there is a used M&R unit on digitsmith right now. It does not seem like there is a huge difference in performance between them.
We have the IT the uses dip tanks are pretty happy with it. What used to take full day is now done in an hour and a half or two at most. The screens look very good and every now and then if there is an issue we just run it through the cycle again. Flood rinse at the end. We also stopped using the mesh prep and everything is working fine.
Chemistry from IT seems to be significantly better than anything else we tried, but that would make sense since it was designed for their equipment. Other stuff was foaming or creating deposits in the lines and filters.
I think the advantage of the dip tank system is that it gives the emulsion remover time to work rather than being blasted few seconds after application.
You are welcome to stop by and check it out. Matt, our production manager will know a lot more about it, I am just telling you what he told me.
pierre
Excuse my lack of knowledge but what or who is "IT"?
Image Technologies
Whats the cost on their system?
We bought used, so not sure. But either 50 or 60k.
Piere
New or used price?
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there is a used M&R unit on digitsmith right now. It does not seem like there is a huge difference in performance between them.
We have the IT the uses dip tanks are pretty happy with it. What used to take full day is now done in an hour and a half or two at most. The screens look very good and every now and then if there is an issue we just run it through the cycle again. Flood rinse at the end. We also stopped using the mesh prep and everything is working fine.
Chemistry from IT seems to be significantly better than anything else we tried, but that would make sense since it was designed for their equipment. Other stuff was foaming or creating deposits in the lines and filters.
I think the advantage of the dip tank system is that it gives the emulsion remover time to work rather than being blasted few seconds after application.
You are welcome to stop by and check it out. Matt, our production manager will know a lot more about it, I am just telling you what he told me.
pierre
Excuse my lack of knowledge but what or who is "IT"?
Image Technologies
Whats the cost on their system?
We bought used, so not sure. But either 50 or 60k.
Piere
New or used price?
new. we paid about $20 installed with a short warranty for a used one (from third party).
The new price is in the ballpark when compared to others. Some might be cheaper, there are definitely more expensive ones.
What I do't know is if the freight and install are included in that price.
Also, this is a BIG unit! I think it's 16 feet wide. Could be more.
here's the link
http://www.imagetechnology.com/equipmentdetail/specialty-washing-systems/swr-series-side-loading/ (http://www.imagetechnology.com/equipmentdetail/specialty-washing-systems/swr-series-side-loading/)
we have the 300, it washes 4 at a time. the smaller 250 does 2 at a time.
pierre
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We just bought a used Dane unit that is in the process of being refurbish by Interchange. I think it's the 125 (not the compact unit). Retail on a new one is round $90k. It's suppose to do the whole process... we shall see. I sure hope it works better that the kid doing them now :)
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We have a Lotus Holland sitting here waiting to get installed- chamber 1 ink cleaner, chamber 2 emulsion stripper, chamber 3 press wash.
I purchased in a bit of a rush late last year and went with it since it was: inline, separate chambers for ink & emulsion, self contained, simple, same service network as our auto presses, fits in the space we need it, keeps shop owners happy from those I spoke with, etc. I had done some deeper research on auto reclaim years ago but didn't update myself on what was fresh before buying.
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EcoTex is 22 weeks out FYI
WOW, I was told 16 weeks! Still LONG!
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EcoTex is 22 weeks out FYI
WOW, I was told 16 weeks! Still LONG!
$18.5k and you can have one now! comes with a drum of chemicals which is $1,500 or so.
http://www.digitsmith.com/m-r-screen-washer-reclaimer-77452.html (http://www.digitsmith.com/m-r-screen-washer-reclaimer-77452.html)
pierre
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EcoTex is 22 weeks out FYI
WOW, I was told 16 weeks! Still LONG!
$18.5k and you can have one now! comes with a drum of chemicals which is $1,500 or so.
[url]http://www.digitsmith.com/m-r-screen-washer-reclaimer-77452.html[/url] ([url]http://www.digitsmith.com/m-r-screen-washer-reclaimer-77452.html[/url])
pierre
Thats the old version with all the problems.
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EcoTex is 22 weeks out FYI
WOW, I was told 16 weeks! Still LONG!
$18.5k and you can have one now! comes with a drum of chemicals which is $1,500 or so.
[url]http://www.digitsmith.com/m-r-screen-washer-reclaimer-77452.html[/url] ([url]http://www.digitsmith.com/m-r-screen-washer-reclaimer-77452.html[/url])
pierre
Thats the old version with all the problems.
that would explain the price!
pierre
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Looks like its not well kept either, hard pass like most used equipment.
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We have the InPro, should be similar to the Lotus Holland. Works well, no serious issues and no complaints. You do have to follow a schedule for adding chemical / changing filters and doing the whole changeover but when that is followed and it's cleaned up often it works very consistently.
We did change from rollers to statics with the same mesh since the emulsion would stick in the corners (and was bad on the auto coater in the corners).
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We did change from rollers to statics with the same mesh since the emulsion would stick in the corners (and was bad on the auto coater in the corners).
Tell me more abt this. We run roller frames primarily in 23x31 and do statics for 25x36 w. permanent blockout.
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EcoTex is 22 weeks out FYI
WOW, I was told 16 weeks! Still LONG!
$18.5k and you can have one now! comes with a drum of chemicals which is $1,500 or so.
[url]http://www.digitsmith.com/m-r-screen-washer-reclaimer-77452.html[/url] ([url]http://www.digitsmith.com/m-r-screen-washer-reclaimer-77452.html[/url])
pierre
Thats the old version with all the problems.
that would explain the price!
pierre
Ah, this makes more sense now. I wasn't sure why that unit would be in high demand but it sounds like it got an overhaul.
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As with all units. keep the chemistry balanced and the machine on a regular cleaning schedule based on mfgs or you may regret!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Whats this turd like?
https://www.hydroblaster.com/Specialty/ARS.htm?EC=AARSPV (https://www.hydroblaster.com/Specialty/ARS.htm?EC=AARSPV)
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Whats this turd like?
https://www.hydroblaster.com/Specialty/ARS.htm?EC=AARSPV (https://www.hydroblaster.com/Specialty/ARS.htm?EC=AARSPV)
I like it, but I like it for $15K, not $28k!
no idea if it's any good, but if it was cheap it would be a no brainer.
pierre
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Whats this turd like?
https://www.hydroblaster.com/Specialty/ARS.htm?EC=AARSPV (https://www.hydroblaster.com/Specialty/ARS.htm?EC=AARSPV)
I like it, but I like it for $15K, not $28k!
no idea if it's any good, but if it was cheap it would be a no brainer.
pierre
That depends if you have to send a screen through 4 times to get it clean.
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Whats this turd like?
https://www.hydroblaster.com/Specialty/ARS.htm?EC=AARSPV (https://www.hydroblaster.com/Specialty/ARS.htm?EC=AARSPV)
looks like you still are de-inking and applying emulsion remover by hand.
seems like a "dishwasher for screens"
pressure washer in a box?
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Whats this turd like?
https://www.hydroblaster.com/Specialty/ARS.htm?EC=AARSPV (https://www.hydroblaster.com/Specialty/ARS.htm?EC=AARSPV)
looks like you still are de-inking and applying emulsion remover by hand.
seems like a "dishwasher for screens"
pressure washer in a box?
Kind of my thoughts, seemed like wouldn't be that effective.
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Rhino Tech has something like that for around 11k I think. Basically a pressure washer in a box but I haven't heard any reviews on it.
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Rhino Tech has something like that for around 11k I think. Basically a pressure washer in a box but I haven't heard any reviews on it.
Rhino Techs are made of polyproplene... i wouldnt trust it to last more than 5 years at the volume of screens we go through...
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there is a lot to be said about pressure washers in a box if the price is right and they last long enough (5 years might be enough for some, but will not be enough for many).
pierre
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Rhino Tech has something like that for around 11k I think. Basically a pressure washer in a box but I haven't heard any reviews on it.
Rhino Techs are made of polyproplene... i wouldnt trust it to last more than 5 years at the volume of screens we go through...
Interesting, I would've thought Polypropylene would be the way to go since it won't wear out from chemicals. We have a Hydroblaster washout booth that was supposed to last forever that is so rusted and filled with holes, it'll likely collapse any day now lol. I won't buy a stainless washout booth ever again.
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Rhino Tech has something like that for around 11k I think. Basically a pressure washer in a box but I haven't heard any reviews on it.
Rhino Techs are made of polyproplene... i wouldnt trust it to last more than 5 years at the volume of screens we go through...
Interesting, I would've thought Polypropylene would be the way to go since it won't wear out from chemicals. We have a Hydroblaster washout booth that was supposed to last forever that is so rusted and filled with holes, it'll likely collapse any day now lol. I won't buy a stainless washout booth ever again.
i have two CPS washout booths made of stainless that havent rusted - one for reclaim/ink removal and one for degreasing and a stainless CCI washout booth for post exposure rinse.
all the stainless ive used have not rusted at all. i would suspect the grade of stainless matters.
24 years ago i remember starting in reclaim with poly tanks. the tanks didnt last that long - cracks on the sides and on the bottom. i patched them up best i could but years later we replaced them with the CPS booths.
i wouldnt go back to plastic
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research finished! About to sign up to wait 22 weeks for an Ecotex!
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research finished! About to sign up to wait 22 weeks for an Ecotex!
nice!!!
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Today's whatsapp chat with a friend over seas. I'm still LOL-ing
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there is a lot to be said about pressure washers in a box if the price is right and they last long enough (5 years might be enough for some, but will not be enough for many).
pierre
If you are pressed for space a pressure washer in a box is perfect. The one from Inpro has two settings , one for full power blast for recycling screens the other setting is for developing screens. I don`t mind so much having to put the screens in dip tank first. The most upsetting part to me is having to pressure wash them. The box keeps all the chemicals contained that would otherwise be released into the open in our washout room.
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Rhino Tech has something like that for around 11k I think. Basically a pressure washer in a box but I haven't heard any reviews on it.
I wanted one of these SO BAD! All we want is a power washer in a box. Well, we want two of them. Rhinotech is like 15 min from us but they said they rarely ever make them because there is no profit in that machine. Told them I would buy one but I needed to see it work first. Dude calls me like 3 months later at like 10am and says we have one there right now for that day only.... I was pissed and passed, but really wish there was a good viable power washer in a box option out there that uses a electric pump and not a air one.
Screen Systems makes auto reclaim units. One for ink and one for emulsion, but they are 1 screen at a time and you need to power was in between. We have the ink one we bought off a shop going out. It is nice and works well, but it would not be realistic for a shop that does plastisol screens all day. On a busy week we have maybe 7 plastisol screens so it is great for us!
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We did change from rollers to statics with the same mesh since the emulsion would stick in the corners (and was bad on the auto coater in the corners).
Tell me more abt this. We run roller frames primarily in 23x31 and do statics for 25x36 w. permanent blockout.
Loose corners means the auto coater doesn't have as much pressure there and gets extra emulsion build up / drips, we would use a spatula to fix that when coating. Then when reclaiming in the auto reclaim, there is no 'extra focus' to the pressure washer nozzles, just the set pattern and equal time across the screen so the corners don't get reclaimed quite well enough. Too much extra, manual work was dedicated to them.
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We did change from rollers to statics with the same mesh since the emulsion would stick in the corners (and was bad on the auto coater in the corners).
Tell me more abt this. We run roller frames primarily in 23x31 and do statics for 25x36 w. permanent blockout.
Loose corners means the auto coater doesn't have as much pressure there and gets extra emulsion build up / drips, we would use a spatula to fix that when coating. Then when reclaiming in the auto reclaim, there is no 'extra focus' to the pressure washer nozzles, just the set pattern and equal time across the screen so the corners don't get reclaimed quite well enough. Too much extra, manual work was dedicated to them.
Now that our Lotus-Holland is running I totally understand what you mean. Luckily our corners reclaim fine although we may need to start tape reinforcing them as they tend to get tugged on by the press wash pattern. Lotsa little details you don't see coming until operating.