hoodie job coming back because of colors bleeding into eachother...

[inkman996]

There is no doubt the red ink gassed and pigmented the white, most definitely during the oven time. As to why who knows exactly but i suspect heat a lot of it.

Or if this was not visible till it was washed then you could possibly have a curing issue, over cured that is.

[Shawn (EIP)]

110's ? did you mix your inks well enough before the run, what was the ambient temp? rainy day?

dude that BLOWS.....I'd puke.

I dont know wtf man... im pretty heated over this. You know you do things right (printing wise) and you still get burned lol . Custy wanted a thick asss hoodie and Im use to mid weight 50/50's .

[mk162]

I would guess too much heat, the problem is staring at the color for so long you lose the ability to see colors properly.  I remember an exercise in school where we stared for like 2 minutes at an american flag that was green and pink, and when you looked a white wall, you saw an image of the flag in navy and red.  Same thing happens with printing, you start seeing colors wrong.

[Shawn (EIP)]

Alright so we have a pretty good idea what happened so what would be a good fix so when I redo the things the same problem doesnt occur? 50/50 White under base and a standard red (not high pigment) red on top?  Discharge , white and then red?  Can you discharge on a 80/20 ?

[mk162]

yes, you can discharge an 80/20. test first.

[Shawn (EIP)]

yes, you can discharge an 80/20. test first.

Good to know but i was just thinking since this isnt a fabric dye migration issue I guess the extra discharge screen would be kind of pointless.

[Shawn (EIP)]

There is no doubt the red ink gassed and pigmented the white, most definitely during the oven time. As to why who knows exactly but i suspect heat a lot of it.

Or if this was not visible till it was washed then you could possibly have a curing issue, over cured that is.

Wasnt visible untill after the wash

[ScreenFoo]

When you say 360, you mean with a temp gun?

You sure they weren't redyes?  If those hoodies were red, and they redyed them black, you could still have migration issues, and 20% polyester is enough to screw them up.

I used to do retail, we had stuff that sat on the shelf for almost a month before migration was visible.  You never know with that crap.

[Shawn (EIP)]

When you say 360, you mean with a temp gun?

You sure they weren't redyes?  If those hoodies were red, and they redyed them black, you could still have migration issues, and 20% polyester is enough to screw them up.

I used to do retail, we had stuff that sat on the shelf for almost a month before migration was visible.  You never know with that crap.

Very good point and I guess theres no way to know. I have heard about plants taking over runs of colors and dipping them in black.  Not sure if Hanes is guilty of this or not, sure they all are. Who gets scewed though in the end... the printer lol.

[ebscreen]

Pretty sure Andy nailed it with the crocking suggestion. Reds are known to do this, especially
high pigment reds, then add in the fact that you P/F/P over an already P/F/P underbase, and you've
got a lot of ink/pigment sitting there. Washing machine will surely pick that up and deposit it
on that nearby bright white.

[Shawn (EIP)]

Pretty sure Andy nailed it with the crocking suggestion. Reds are known to do this, especially
high pigment reds, then add in the fact that you P/F/P over an already P/F/P underbase, and you've
got a lot of ink/pigment sitting there. Washing machine will surely pick that up and deposit it
on that nearby bright white.

no underbase pfp the white text and then pfp the red but yeah I think your right

[prozyan]

Just looking at the pic you posted, I would say this is no doubt crocking.

[ScreenFoo]

You can test wet crocking by getting a white shirt wet and rubbing it on the ink deposit.

[Gilligan]

"crocking"

All I hear when I read this is Steve Irwin.

[Shanarchy]

Is there any links to a good article on crocking, and how to avoid it?