Author Topic: A new one for me...a Pantone tint as a logo color  (Read 2160 times)

Offline Itsa Little CrOoked

  • !!!
  • Gonzo Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 1295
Re: A new one for me...a Pantone tint as a logo color
« Reply #15 on: November 14, 2012, 01:05:25 AM »
Why do folks that work so hard to build their business, do things that drive business away?....For example no small orders, no special colours, no names/number, slow turn around. etc., etc....


Not 100% sure where you are coming from on this, but I'll take a stab.  More WORK doesn't necessarily mean More PROFIT. It might, or might not. 

There are plenty of people who are young, or just starting out, or just more hungry, that are willing to do the stuff that a big slice of folks just aren't willing to do any more. Many shirt printers work out of their parents basement and will do whatever they need to do.  Myself, I have to pay for a storefront and employees and thread..... and rent.

My family used to have a sign company in a teensy weensy town. 50 years of saying "YES, WE DO THAT" and then trying to figure out how, didn't make for lots of profit, but it is simply impossible to say "no" and survive IN THAT MARKET. We closed in 08, sold the cranes and the welders, the sheet metal shop and paint booth and the associated equipment---you get the idea. Then we bought a garment decorators shop in The City.  Nowadays, we are more and more aware of the the fact that you don't have to say "SURE, WE CAN DO THAT" to every potential customer that comes through the door.  We don't really need more work during most of the year. We want to choose more profitable work, whenever we can.  Call me a capitalist. 

If you've missed it, do read this thread: http://www.theshirtboard.com/index.php?topic=5514.0.  It is a valuable clinic on "more work doesn't necessarily equal more profit"....its just more work, unless you can skillfully navigate some very difficult waters. 

If you can get 25 bucks for a PMS color match, I say, "Go Get'em Tiger!" That doesn't completely fit our business model just yet, but I'm certainly not trashing it, <edited>

I'm sorta old, and just sorta tired, I guess.  The screenprinting part of our operation is ME. (and whatever part-timers I can drag in)  And I take a dim view of 5 color jobs with 30 pieces, and another one color location, when I can't even sell the shirts, so we "Stick'em" a little on those jobs. We do that so we don't have to do any more of those than we have to do, and if they are willing to pay, well alrighty then.... I'll bet you do the same thing, Royster, it just might not be the same triggers that determine a "no thanks".

Charging "whatever your market will bear" is ultimately a good thing...for everybody, (yes, everybody) and I think can support that statement....but it might take a long lunch to convince you.  ;)  You might be able to do those things you referred to for cheaper than I care to. I'm willing to bet you have lots more experience in printing than I do.


<EDIT:  WHOA!  I read this after a good night's sleep and it sounded condescending to Royster. It's what I get for posting so late. FIXED....>
« Last Edit: November 14, 2012, 08:10:15 AM by Itsa Little CrOoked »


Offline RICK STEFANICK

  • Gonzo Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 1925
  • INDUSTRY CONSULTANT-OPERATIONS SPECIALIST
Re: A new one for me...a Pantone tint as a logo color
« Reply #16 on: November 14, 2012, 08:21:16 AM »
Why do folks that work so hard to build their business, do things that drive business away?....For example no small orders, no special colours, no names/number, slow turn around. etc., etc....

Great questions. quick answer: you have a business plan.

Long answer: you have done it long enough to know those areas "no small orders, no special colors, no names/number" don't drive your profits as much as others. Don't get me wrong you can make a ton of money in those areas if that is your target market and you get alot of that work and charge correctly. I don't do orders under 24, don't do names and numbers and my color mixes are $25 each. This does not hurt my business since those area are not my target clients.

It takes balls to turn work down but it takes brains to turn down the right jobs for your business.

in the contract printing market you could never charge 25 bucks a color for mixes. in fact i dont know anyone in any market who will pay 25 bucks for a pantone match anymore.
Specializing in shop assessment's, flow and efficiency

Offline Screened Gear

  • Gonzo Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 2580
Re: A new one for me...a Pantone tint as a logo color
« Reply #17 on: November 14, 2012, 01:24:06 PM »
Are you guys saying I am too high for a ink Pantone match? Good then my price for that is perfect. I do a few a month and I don't want to do anymore. Its a scare price to make them pick one of my 20 or so stock colors. To be honest I charge $15 each when they really need them. Its for the people that wants 485 red and don't want to use the stock scarlet red. When that person has to have 485 they pay $25. If its some one with a color not even close to a stock color they pay the $15. I do advertise the $25 price.

Offline tonypep

  • Ludicrous Speed Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 5627
Re: A new one for me...a Pantone tint as a logo color
« Reply #18 on: November 14, 2012, 01:54:17 PM »
I have never charged for a PMS match it only takes a minute or so and it doesn't fit our business model. But I think it's awesome that you do!

Offline alan802

  • !!!
  • Gonzo Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 3535
  • I like to screen print
Re: A new one for me...a Pantone tint as a logo color
« Reply #19 on: November 14, 2012, 02:11:56 PM »
We should charge for it but we don't.  Sometimes it takes a few minutes, other times it's 30 since we don't have all the mixing colors and have to rely on something similar on the shelf and adjust it one way or the other.
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it -T.J.
Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom, must, like men, undergo the fatigues of supporting it -T.P.