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screen printing => Waterbase and Discharge => Topic started by: ebscreen on June 08, 2012, 03:43:07 PM
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Rutland has dried their last pigment with me.
Sell me on it folks. Where do I get it from, how do I use it. Should I still use
CCI white? (love it)
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Don't get rid of CCI white but buy texcharge direct. I'll email you our reps info
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Right on Gerry.
If anyone is okay with straining inks before use (I ain't) they can purchase a Rutland WB-99 system from
me cheap.
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I could not imagine having to strain anything. That would surely kill production time.
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Don't forget they have Pantone starter formulas and ask for free samples. Flourescents out of the park, is that enough?
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The flourescents are killer!
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I'll concur with everyone else, and yes, keep the CCI D-white. If I can get my guys to get on board with this stuff, anyone can.
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its my choice right now. u will like it.
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CCI white and Sericol here too. Gerry shoot me that info as well. I would rather buy direct than got through our vendor even if it cost more.
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You got it.
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Sericol is (almost) all direct, ships outta K.C. although Jim at Dimensional appears to be selling it as well. They do gallons and that's it I believe. They're geared toward big batch orders of prouduct but are now opening up to smaller orders, actually sent me gallon samples. Which is cool as it's RFU and can be used un-activated as regular WB. Everyone else seems pretty jazzed about it, I'll let you know what we find soon. We also have all of CCI's product in here to side-by-side with.
Shame about the Rutland, I was just hoping Westar would pick up the WB-99 so we could buy from them. The Texcharge is actually a very long-standing product, 20 yrs I believe I was told, so I would imagine next to every issue that could be addressed with them has been by now. I'm not ruling out that we'll need to strain inks with any brand though. I haven't had to do it with my TW ink yet but then we aren't opening those cans all the live long day.
I got me these guys to hopefully eliminate some of those issues.
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Atlas Screen Supply actually sells the Texcharge in qts.
Paint dispensers, just make sure you clean the nozzle tips faithfully or it will be just as bad with clumps and what not on them. And also those tops on the paint dispensers are not air tight so I dont know how that will affect WB pigment. Most paint dealers use a glycol pigment that does not readily dry up.
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I wish that there was a good website that had some information on the sericol ink. I want to make the switch but it just seems the actual info is hard to find.
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http://www.sericol.com/landingpages/texcharge/ (http://www.sericol.com/landingpages/texcharge/)
Here ya go. From what I hear Sericol is big in South America and they are just starting to push it here.
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Many thanks! I want to make an order for a discharge system within the month. After trying my first full run of discharge white I love it. The feel is great and what a time saver over white plastisol p-f-p!
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Atlas Screen Supply actually sells the Texcharge in qts.
Paint dispensers, just make sure you clean the nozzle tips faithfully or it will be just as bad with clumps and what not on them. And also those tops on the paint dispensers are not air tight so I dont know how that will affect WB pigment. Most paint dealers use a glycol pigment that does not readily dry up.
Great point with the seals up top. I'll rig them up with a seal and clamp combo. Both sericol and cci have a mix of glycol and stoddard solvent I believe. The stoddard will cause dry out for sure. I planned on having to wipe the nozzles with a little tw cleaner or the like before dispensing and sacrificing the first bit's of ink onto a rag before dispensing. I'm cautiously optimistic they'll work. The mixing blade in each container is exactly what I wanted so I hope it does work out.
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One other issue I see with this Zoo is that as you use the pigment and the volume of pigment goes down in the canisters is you may have pigment drying on the sides and the blades and cause some issues either with clogging or dried pigment being dispensed. I know that some paint manufacturers have switched to water based pigments and they have alot of R&D poured into the dispensing machines. Some have humidifiers to keep things wet and cappers on the nozzles that have a wet sponge on them to keep from drying and it still has issues. So before you fill that whole thing maybe try it out with one pigment for a few weeks and see how it goes.
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Oh yeah, going to start with one and see how it goes. If the Sericol RFUs are what we go with, it may work out. We'll simply keep the canisters topped off fully and spritz some distilled water in there regularly. For PCs it would likely be problematic although, if the nozzles can let WFX plastisol PCs pass through I'll most definitely use them for those.
That is ominous to hear that the paint mfg's are having a hard time keeping nozzles clean with WB though. My thoughts were that if the nozzle keeps the ink from dripping it should be stopping air from getting in but maybe not. Also, I'd imagine a lot of the paint dispensers are being run by Lowes or Home Depot employees and the like who may not be paying attention to the upkeep of them, I might not be so inclined to make the extra effort if I was working for a box store.
I'm going to give it a solid try since we have the one in the pic and also a dandy set of them on a carousel dispenser. If it fails we'll have to settle for squirt bottles and lots of shaking I suppose.
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The paint dispensers that are having the most success with water bases pigments have a suck back feature that after the pigment is dispensed it sucks it back into the tube and then the wet sponge covers the nozzle tip to keep it moist. The dispensers in most Lowe's and Home Depots are all using glycol colorants so they don't have the drying issues.