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screen printing => Show Your Stuff => Topic started by: Gilligan on February 06, 2015, 06:53:26 PM

Title: My first CMYK job.
Post by: Gilligan on February 06, 2015, 06:53:26 PM
Thanks to Starchild and Pierre for the help and pointers.

We aren't over the top proud of it, but given the time crunch we were given it didn't come out too bad.

This also has a high light white on it, trying to bring to make that canopy a little smoother... meh.

Of course that's a spot purple as well.

So all said and done we were rocking cmyk + white (flashing in that head) + purple spot... still rocking it out at 22 dozen an hour and this was a full print (we also had our logo as a tag below the color).

First one is the original JPG.  This one was cleaned up on around the edges as they had done a hack job and just sent us the original scan.  Ended up using their version as a selection to crop out of the scan of the painting their "version" of the state's shape.

2nd one is an actual t-shirt... sorry for the not so great photography... helps hide the flaws. ;)
Title: Re: My first CMYK job.
Post by: mimosatexas on February 06, 2015, 06:57:32 PM
The A at the top not lining up with the corner of the shape bothers me, but otherwise it looks great!  Is the wash out on that little multicolored pastel area under the umbrella from the top white or the seps?  NOT a big deal at all, just curious.
Title: Re: My first CMYK job.
Post by: Gilligan on February 06, 2015, 07:16:44 PM
Yeah, we looked carefully at that... kind of one of those things... mostly it was lost in the seps I believe we figured.  If we had time, we could have had it reworked and reprinted and burned screens but they needed them TODAY.

The (bar) restaurant is under fire because the majority of their sales have to come from FOOD and not liquor.  They don't sell that much food but they are a great little bar that provides and needed outlet for small local talent (music and art).

One might think, why not get a regular liquor license ya cheap bastad!  Well, they would, but there is a church that isn't even open within 300' of them.  How freaking stupid!
Title: Re: My first CMYK job.
Post by: Homer on February 06, 2015, 07:41:33 PM
i think it looks great...nicely done
Title: Re: My first CMYK job.
Post by: ScreenPrinter123 on February 06, 2015, 08:07:54 PM
Yeah, we looked carefully at that... kind of one of those things... mostly it was lost in the seps I believe we figured.  If we had time, we could have had it reworked and reprinted and burned screens but they needed them TODAY.

The (bar) restaurant is under fire because the majority of their sales have to come from FOOD and not liquor.  They don't sell that much food but they are a great little bar that provides and needed outlet for small local talent (music and art).

One might think, why not get a regular liquor license ya cheap bastad!  Well, they would, but there is a church that isn't even open within 300' of them.  How freaking stupid!

So because there is a church within 300' they cannot get a regular liquor license?  I could maybe understand next door but down the street!!!
Title: Re: My first CMYK job.
Post by: Get Shirts on February 06, 2015, 08:11:11 PM
Good work, I think your print looks better than their art.  I think you lucked led out with this one being so heavy on the magenta.  We are constantly battling with overwhelming magenta.
Title: Re: My first CMYK job.
Post by: TCT on February 06, 2015, 08:25:53 PM
Nice job man!
Title: Re: My first CMYK job.
Post by: Gilligan on February 06, 2015, 09:53:18 PM
Yeah, we looked carefully at that... kind of one of those things... mostly it was lost in the seps I believe we figured.  If we had time, we could have had it reworked and reprinted and burned screens but they needed them TODAY.

The (bar) restaurant is under fire because the majority of their sales have to come from FOOD and not liquor.  They don't sell that much food but they are a great little bar that provides and needed outlet for small local talent (music and art).

One might think, why not get a regular liquor license ya cheap bastad!  Well, they would, but there is a church that isn't even open within 300' of them.  How freaking stupid!


So because there is a church within 300' they cannot get a regular liquor license?  I could maybe understand next door but down the street!!!


Yep... it's retarded.  There is a bar literally across the street and one house down that is open with no problems.  It's even called a "saloon" and they get noise complaints like CRAZY.  But they are just that tiny bit further.

Here is a link to a news article about it, she currently buys enough food to make up the difference with her own money.

http://www.katc.com/story/28017120/artmosphere-struggles-to-meet-license-requirements (http://www.katc.com/story/28017120/artmosphere-struggles-to-meet-license-requirements)
Title: Re: My first CMYK job.
Post by: Gilligan on February 06, 2015, 09:56:06 PM
Good work, I think your print looks better than their art.  I think you lucked led out with this one being so heavy on the magenta.  We are constantly battling with overwhelming magenta.

Yeah, that magenta was kind of a sore spot for me.  Not enough and it looked like it was definitely missing something, too much and it was overwhelming and BRIGHT!

Then there was this overall burnt orange hue that I still don't feel like we ever got right.  I hope the hold up well and don't loose too much of their richness as I feel like they could have been richer still anyway. :(
Title: Re: My first CMYK job.
Post by: Gilligan on February 06, 2015, 09:58:18 PM
i think it looks great...nicely done

Nice job man!

Thanks guys.  Boy, when we first started running the shirts (even though we were told "run 20 shirts to get things going"), I thought "oh my, what did I get us into?!?!"  It looked SOO bad!  Good bit of tweaking and letting all that build up happen and it started getting respectable.  Pushed it a little more and added that highlight white and we were off to the races!  Don't feel like we finished first, but I think we did pretty good with it.
Title: Re: My first CMYK job.
Post by: 1964GN on February 07, 2015, 07:41:25 AM
Looks really nice! I love printing CMYK, wish we had more jobs like that.

Congrats!
Title: Re: My first CMYK job.
Post by: farmboygraphics on February 07, 2015, 06:51:08 PM
Looks good! I'm surprised though, I would have thought you'd of had one of these under your belt already.
Title: Re: My first CMYK job.
Post by: Gilligan on February 07, 2015, 10:57:28 PM
Looks good! I'm surprised though, I would have thought you'd of had one of these under your belt already.

We really haven't done much in the process field.

We did the cool 4 colored sim process Red Fish (art and seps by Scott/Command Z) and we've done a few blends and such.  The fish was manual.

Hopefully things will change, especially now that we have the auto and repeatability is easier.
Title: Re: My first CMYK job.
Post by: sqslabs on February 07, 2015, 11:08:29 PM
Nice print man... I just ran my first 4CP and got so frustrated I ended up pulling it off press and running the job on the DTG.  Yours looks way better than mine did though. 
Title: Re: My first CMYK job.
Post by: Gilligan on February 08, 2015, 01:08:21 AM
Nice print man... I just ran my first 4CP and got so frustrated I ended up pulling it off press and running the job on the DTG.  Yours looks way better than mine did though.

How many shirts did you run before giving up or drastically changing things?

Pierre said 20 shirts to get the build up going.  I can promise you the first 5 were wretched, the next five weren't much better, but there was a hint at "progress"... Then it started looking a little more like it was moving in the right direction and giving us an idea of where to start tweaking.
Title: Re: My first CMYK job.
Post by: blue moon on February 08, 2015, 08:57:02 PM
Thanks to Starchild and Pierre for the help and pointers.

We aren't over the top proud of it, but given the time crunch we were given it didn't come out too bad.

This also has a high light white on it, trying to bring to make that canopy a little smoother... meh.

Of course that's a spot purple as well.

So all said and done we were rocking cmyk + white (flashing in that head) + purple spot... still rocking it out at 22 dozen an hour and this was a full print (we also had our logo as a tag below the color).

First one is the original JPG.  This one was cleaned up on around the edges as they had done a hack job and just sent us the original scan.  Ended up using their version as a selection to crop out of the scan of the painting their "version" of the state's shape.

2nd one is an actual t-shirt... sorry for the not so great photography... helps hide the flaws. ;)

That looks very nice! That is an impressive first go at it. Mine wasn't half as good as that.

Pierre
Title: Re: My first CMYK job.
Post by: bulldog on February 09, 2015, 08:15:50 AM
Nice print man... I just ran my first 4CP and got so frustrated I ended up pulling it off press and running the job on the DTG.  Yours looks way better than mine did though.

How many shirts did you run before giving up or drastically changing things?

Pierre said 20 shirts to get the build up going.  I can promise you the first 5 were wretched, the next five weren't much better, but there was a hint at "progress"... Then it started looking a little more like it was moving in the right direction and giving us an idea of where to start tweaking.

This may be a stupid question but what do you do with the "first 20" or whatever? Are they not sellable? Do you keep them as shop rags/donate them? Do you build the loss into the price quote?

Title: Re: My first CMYK job.
Post by: blue moon on February 09, 2015, 08:48:53 AM
Nice print man... I just ran my first 4CP and got so frustrated I ended up pulling it off press and running the job on the DTG.  Yours looks way better than mine did though.

How many shirts did you run before giving up or drastically changing things?

Pierre said 20 shirts to get the build up going.  I can promise you the first 5 were wretched, the next five weren't much better, but there was a hint at "progress"... Then it started looking a little more like it was moving in the right direction and giving us an idea of where to start tweaking.

This may be a stupid question but what do you do with the "first 20" or whatever? Are they not sellable? Do you keep them as shop rags/donate them? Do you build the loss into the price quote?

use scrap shirts .. .

pierre
Title: Re: My first CMYK job.
Post by: Gilligan on February 09, 2015, 09:53:59 AM
We printed at least 3 times if not 4 on those shirts... So we consumed at least 5-8 shirts... In reality, since we added the high light white after a few test prints it was probably more like 10.

We had added a little in the art fee to account for those shirts.  We have "free" setups, that's why we called it art.
Title: Re: My first CMYK job.
Post by: Dottonedan on February 09, 2015, 08:42:54 PM
Nicely done on the seps. A little over compensated on the black but only in come areas, but very well controlled. It's a hard balance when you have large rich solid black areas and others with obvious dark color shadows that need to be controlled. Pretty good match to original.
Title: Re: My first CMYK job.
Post by: Gilligan on February 10, 2015, 12:12:42 AM
We fought to lay enough black down for that top left corner while not over powering the rest.
Title: Re: My first CMYK job.
Post by: Sbrem on February 10, 2015, 01:18:22 PM
Not too shabby Mr. Gilligan, a lot better than my first try in the early 80's. It looks like the "reds" are running a little hot, not too uncommon. But good job, be proud, and keep going.

Steve
Title: Re: My first CMYK job.
Post by: Gilligan on February 10, 2015, 03:03:11 PM
Yes, finding that rust color was hard... We never got what I really wanted there. I was surprised at how bright/hot magenta is.
Title: Re: My first CMYK job.
Post by: Sbrem on February 10, 2015, 03:59:28 PM
In earlier times, when we got our seps from outside, we'd find the magenta too heavy, and would cool it down by adding Rhodamine to it; not the ideal situation, but it worked as we didn't have any other options. Now, we can go into PS and adjust there...

Steve
Title: Re: My first CMYK job.
Post by: UltraSeps on February 10, 2015, 04:49:15 PM
"Very" nice, especially for your first process job.  IMO, you made the right decision using process for this art.  Doing simulated would have been difficult.  Art such as this is ideal for process.  Keep up the good work!  :D
Title: Re: My first CMYK job.
Post by: jonbravado on February 15, 2015, 08:49:37 PM
a lot better than MY first process job.  Great work - not bad at all.

Changing print order on CMYK helps too on saturation sometimes, for us.

But very good for your first time out.  You should be proud.

J
Title: Re: My first CMYK job.
Post by: 3Deep on February 15, 2015, 11:54:59 PM
I'll say turned out nice as well, my first cmyk job was very much to red, but at the time you couldn't hit me in the azz with a red apple, because I thought I knocked it out the da box.