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screen printing => Waterbase and Discharge => Topic started by: Pangea on April 30, 2019, 02:45:30 PM
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What's everyone's go to for water based white these days (mostly cotton)? I started out using the Green Galaxy Comet White and wanted to see if anyone has suggestions when this gallon is up.
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Mine has been cci d-white the last 4 years but we are currently testing the new Aquarious discharge white and colors.They are the only Pantone approved series so we are hoping for great results considering all of or Retail clients
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new Aquarious discharge white and colors.
Keep us updated. A single pigment system for wb/discharge/hsa seems ideal.
And at the very least, rumor has it that the Rutland pigs will be going away at
some point. For shame.
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new Aquarious discharge white and colors.
Keep us updated. A single pigment system for wb/discharge/hsa seems ideal.
And at the very least, rumor has it that the Rutland pigs will be going away at
some point. For shame.
i think most manufacturers are. We use matsui or virus pigments in matsui ink for HSA/DC/WB
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new Aquarious discharge white and colors.
Keep us updated. A single pigment system for wb/discharge/hsa seems ideal.
And at the very least, rumor has it that the Rutland pigs will be going away at
some point. For shame.
I do love the Rutland PS pigments and they have been around so long the formulas are close matches.
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RT is working on a highly sophisticated wb/pc program that will work with all bases. That may phase out the current system which is actually quite good.
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OP- for an HSA White? If so, we like Matsui Stretch White here.
We use Rutland WB99 PCs to tint all wb/dc/hsa bases. There's nothing special about the PCs, they are simply available reliably, consistent enough to reproduce mixes and function acceptably overall. Years of our formulae are built with the system.
Is Rutland really going to '86 them? I guess I don't see the point in "updating" pc systems unless I am ignorant to some technological advancements in aqueous, concentrated pigment systems or major shifts in global supply chains for the pigments or components.
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RT is working on a highly sophisticated wb/pc program that will work with all bases. That may phase out the current system which is actually quite good.
ITS also integrated into the polyone softwear for formulas. For plastisol we have a DM4 but will be hand mixing these.
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With Wilflex/Polyone buying Rutland I wouldn't invest too much in them for the future, unfortunately.
Looks like it's the Dawning of the Age of Aquarius.
We use the Rutland PS pigments with CCI d-base premium, and have basically since they came out.
Even though we mix companies for base/pigment I never even thought of using them for HSA.
Derp.
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OP- for an HSA White? If so, we like Matsui Stretch White here.
We use Rutland WB99 PCs to tint all wb/dc/hsa bases. There's nothing special about the PCs, they are simply available reliably, consistent enough to reproduce mixes and function acceptably overall. Years of our formulae are built with the system.
Is Rutland really going to '86 them? I guess I don't see the point in "updating" pc systems unless I am ignorant to some technological advancements in aqueous, concentrated pigment systems or major shifts in global supply chains for the pigments or components.
Looking for a new HSA for everything that won't discharge. We've been printing a lot of canvas panels that get sewn into tote bags so we're running through our current white and want something...better. Thanks for the suggestions, looks like I'll end up with a Matsui.
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We use the Rutland PS pigments with CCI d-base premium, and have basically since they came out.
Even though we mix companies for base/pigment I never even thought of using them for HSA.
Derp.
yep That was my exact set up for waterbase discharge. Now though with the zodiac-aqu with the same pigments being used in all bases including the HSA AND SOFT BASE its a new direction in regards to product. We are starting with the DC White and the Discharge base/pigments before venturing into the other bases. With the quick white and high meshes were getting by on the plastisol side as far as color and hand but the other bases will follow once the discharge in our cycle.
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Looking for a new HSA for everything that won't discharge. We've been printing a lot of canvas panels that get sewn into tote bags so we're running through our current white and want something...better. Thanks for the suggestions, looks like I'll end up with a Matsui.
For a standalone HSA white I like the CCI Pure-White. Has quite a bit more opacity than the Green Galaxy product, for us anyways.
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Any input with regards to Virus products?
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Looking for a new HSA for everything that won't discharge. We've been printing a lot of canvas panels that get sewn into tote bags so we're running through our current white and want something...better. Thanks for the suggestions, looks like I'll end up with a Matsui.
For a standalone HSA white I like the CCI Pure-White. Has quite a bit more opacity than the Green Galaxy product, for us anyways.
Good to hear that too, switched to their black and it's been great. Curious about the Virus too.
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We tested all the Virus stuff when it first started showing up in the states. I was largely unimpressed by it at the time,
particularly the white. HSA can be a bear with dry-in and that stuff was a grizzly. Their foil adhesive is the jam however.
That's not to say it/we haven't changed, and we should probably give it a whirl again. Availability isn't that
great here however, and unfortunately that has a big play in what we use.
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For water base I would recommend either Permaset, Aquo, or Matsui. That is what we use and can actually get. For discharge we are all CCI. Regarding Rutland and any previous Wilflex line getting anything from them or any dealer was like pulling teeth so I stopped years ago.
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Checkout Inknovators which D3 Distributes
https://www.d3ipinc.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&view=productdetails&virtuemart_product_id=245&virtuemart_category_id=22&lang=en (https://www.d3ipinc.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&view=productdetails&virtuemart_product_id=245&virtuemart_category_id=22&lang=en)
Virus, Matsui both take 3 screens to get a good white, with Inknovators on some 100% cotton shirts we are able to get good results with 2 screens.
It's similar to all the Turkish ink companies that have been cropping up at ISS, however they have a few years with a distributor in the US. It's a Hybrid, which if I understand correctly is a acrylic / urethane mix, but I'm not really quite sure, I just call it Turkish Delight.
My favorite brand SuperDry who is the king of special effects are made in Turkey and their suppliers use this ink.
Good stuff, we are still testing, but has had promising results.
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Checkout Inknovators which D3 Distributes
https://www.d3ipinc.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&view=productdetails&virtuemart_product_id=245&virtuemart_category_id=22&lang=en (https://www.d3ipinc.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&view=productdetails&virtuemart_product_id=245&virtuemart_category_id=22&lang=en)
Virus, Matsui both take 3 screens to get a good white, with Inknovators on some 100% cotton shirts we are able to get good results with 2 screens.
It's similar to all the Turkish ink companies that have been cropping up at ISS, however they have a few years with a distributor in the US. It's a Hybrid, which if I understand correctly is a acrylic / urethane mix, but I'm not really quite sure, I just call it Turkish Delight.
My favorite brand SuperDry who is the king of special effects are made in Turkey and their suppliers use this ink.
Good stuff, we are still testing, but has had promising results.
inknvators is cool, but if you know how to work matsui, you only need 2 screens for a bright white!
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inknvators is cool, but if you know how to work matsui, you only need 2 screens for a bright white!
What's the secret sauce? S-Mesh, modifiers, thicker emulsion?
For small images Matsui is passible with two screens, but for bigger prints we definitely need 3 screens.
Any tips?
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Which Matsui white are you using? There are a couple
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we modify every ink, all the time.
We typically use EZ white for the base, and kombat for the highlight.
backwards from plastisol. higher base, lower highlight.
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we modify every ink, all the time.
This
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Which Matsui would you suggest for manual printing p/f/p?
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Which Matsui would you suggest for manual printing p/f/p?
Kombat. It's optically the brightest, but does dry crazy fast.
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Does anybody use Magna Aqua Flex V2? I don’t but curious because I was considering switching to it after this 5’er is up.
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We rarely need 3 screens(whites) for a good white..... super rare.... currently we are using products from Minerva/green galaxy that are being modified but will be available for purchase here in the coming months. Zane I’ll send you some ink if you want to give it a whirl.
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Does anybody use Magna Aqua Flex V2? I don’t but curious because I was considering switching to it after this 5’er is up.
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Transparency alert: as you an see from my sig line,I work for Nazdar and have a vested interest in Magna sales.
I can tell you we sell LOTS of this product as well as the base and pigments. Magna is a serious player in waterbase and should be considered in the product evaluation mix.
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I also use GReen Galaxy white.
We buy it in 5 gallon buckets.
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I saw them printing Virus white manually at LB, they got a great result with regular white and a elastic white.
I'm planning on trying these.
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I have been using the Green Galaxy Comet White for a while now, and I'm considering switching over to the Matsui stretch white for good. The consistency of the Matsui ink is so much easier to work with, the Comet White is just so damn thick and dries out like crazy, especially when you get a flash involved. The Matsui stretch white feels about half as thick in terms of consistency, like it's actually runny like you'd expect from a waterbased ink, and seems to give off the same print quality. But I haven't played around with it yet
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What HSA White would you guys recommend for printing on poly/spandex leggings. Solid white print down the leg. Please include any additives. We usually always use add softener, retarder, and fixer to our wb/DC inks. Thanks we just don't print these leggings often.