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screen printing => Ink and Chemicals => Topic started by: Printficient on November 28, 2012, 03:39:25 PM
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This White will go on anything from 100% Nylon to 100% Cotton and anything in between. No catalyst needed. This is a pic of a customers most bleeding garment with the new White on it.
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Is it creamy?
How are the flash times?
Is it good on the auto?
How much does it cost?
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Is it creamy?
How are the flash times?
Is it good on the auto?
How much does it cost?
This is a very low temp cure ink. The flash times are dependent on too many factors for me to answer. If used as designed then I would say the flash times would be quick. $72 per gallon. $340 per 5 gallon. Yes it is creamy. All Xenon products come with a 30 day unconditional guarantee.
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When I start to run low on my current inventory I might give a gallon a try. At that price though it will have to be pretty special. I'm happy with our current white but I will always try new products.
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Is it creamy?
How are the flash times?
Is it good on the auto?
How much does it cost?
This is a very low temp cure ink. The flash times are dependent on too many factors for me to answer. If used as designed then I would say the flash times would be quick. $72 per gallon. $340 per 5 gallon. Yes it is creamy. All Xenon products come with a 30 day unconditional guarantee.
Thumbs up for answering the question vs "call me". ;)
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Lol Kevin beat me to it!!! Lets see if we can keep this going.
Is this a silicone ink? Never heard of a plastisol that can print on anything.
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Onestroke has one called smart white. It won't do nylon without catalyst though. It's a nice white, but it's $150 a gallon.
Sonny wants to drop some of this off. I'll test it and give my review.
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Thumbs up for answering the question vs "call me". ;)
We agree on something for a change!
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Thumbs up for answering the question vs "call me". ;)
We agree on something for a change!
Next there will be peace in the middle east.
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Thumbs up for answering the question vs "call me". ;)
We agree on something for a change!
Next there will be peace in the middle east.
I think it could be solved via email as well. ;)
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Sonny I hope this ain't like the last white ink you had, to your credit you did me right, but I would have to test a small amount first...you have any qts.
Darryl
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So is this a "NO-BLEED" ink? Guaranteed to stop dye migration on any substrate? Hmmm .... if so -- I would by a boatload!
Seriously, there are soooooo many variables in the polyester dying process, that is big claim!
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So is this a "NO-BLEED" ink? Guaranteed to stop dye migration on any substrate? Hmmm .... if so -- I would by a boatload!
Seriously, there are soooooo many variables in the polyester dying process, that is big claim!
I couldn't find that in Sonny's post--It can go on anything, low bleed was implied, but I didn't read no bleed being promised. Although it'd be a pretty interesting plastisol if that were the case.
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So is this a "NO-BLEED" ink? Guaranteed to stop dye migration on any substrate? Hmmm .... if so -- I would by a boatload!
Seriously, there are soooooo many variables in the polyester dying process, that is big claim!
I couldn't find that in Sonny's post--It can go on anything, low bleed was implied, but I didn't read no bleed being promised. Although it'd be a pretty interesting plastisol if that were the case.
Thanks and I agree! I am busting Sonny's chops a bit in a playful manner!
I do not think anyone would really make that claim. Secondly, the same is true for saying no catalyst needed for 100% nylon .... really. How about a 100% nylon, waterproofed coated, 4x1 satin weave jacket? Would like to see that.....
I think it behooves us all to avoid large sweeping statements when there are so many variables. At the end of the day, printers should take everything a manufacturer states with a grain of salt and test, test, test, test. BTW - I worked for Wilflex for 25 years and as stated in my sig now work with Nazdar SourceOne; so I am not just blindly making this statement.
I really do not get on here much, but will try to make the time to do so more often....
Thanks and good luck!
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I agree a sweeping statement means nothig, at the least list the features of this ink what makes it so unique to others already out there? KNown cure and flash temps etc. What is in it that makes it so unique and how that plays with chemistry etc. I personally wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole since the manu cannot even put together a simple spec sheet yet people should buy blindly?
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That's our Sonny for you!
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That's our Sonny for you!
Not Sonny's fault it is who he works for. But Sonny should use his knowledge and experience with us lowely printers and help his company market better.
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Alan Singer did the R&D on this. I spoke with him about the specs. He basically said do not over flash and keep oven temp at 330 degrees and all is well. To adhere to nylon without a catalyst requires a cross link temp in the mid to mid/high 200's. Do this and there are very few if any dyes that would migrate on blends. Nylon does not bleed so the low temp cure is so the substrate is not damaged. I have always said that if you could truly dial in your dryer (gas preferably) and keep the garment to below 330 degrees any white would be bleed resistant as the dyes would not migrate. What we do now to inks is horrible. A slow belt dryer set ro 320 degrees is the way ink should cure. A fast belt high temp dryer shocks the ink and that is bad. Same with flashing. Quartz bulbs that are not adjustable are the worst thing out there for the health of inks. A flash of 5 seconds is a production rate of 720 pcs per hour. A 4 second flash is 900 pcs per hour. We are overcooking our inks in all phases. Problem with a print on darks will be too much heat somewhere in the process 99% of the time.
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Alan Singer? Alsing?
The guy accused many times over of fraud and outright theft in equipment brokering deals?
A new leaf has been turned?
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Just got hit with some bad Karma there.
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I do not know about that but Alan is a multiple Golden Squeegee award winner. I wish him well and wish all of you a Merry Christmas.
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Alan Singer did the R&D on this. I spoke with him about the specs. He basically said do not over flash and keep oven temp at 330 degrees and all is well. To adhere to nylon without a catalyst requires a cross link temp in the mid to mid/high 200's. Do this and there are very few if any dyes that would migrate on blends. Nylon does not bleed so the low temp cure is so the substrate is not damaged. I have always said that if you could truly dial in your dryer (gas preferably) and keep the garment to below 330 degrees any white would be bleed resistant as the dyes would not migrate. What we do now to inks is horrible. A slow belt dryer set ro 320 degrees is the way ink should cure. A fast belt high temp dryer shocks the ink and that is bad. Same with flashing. Quartz bulbs that are not adjustable are the worst thing out there for the health of inks. A flash of 5 seconds is a production rate of 720 pcs per hour. A 4 second flash is 900 pcs per hour. We are overcooking our inks in all phases. Problem with a print on darks will be too much heat somewhere in the process 99% of the time.
Sonny you state the ink needs to be cured at 330 garment printing but on nylon mid to high 200's then it cant be cured on nylon? Or can it be cured on garments at nylon temps?
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Alan Singer? Alsing?
The guy accused many times over of fraud and outright theft in equipment brokering deals?
A new leaf has been turned?
Wow that is a blast from the past, I remember all that drama well from TSPMB wow.
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Alan Singer did the R&D on this. I spoke with him about the specs. He basically said do not over flash and keep oven temp at 330 degrees and all is well. To adhere to nylon without a catalyst requires a cross link temp in the mid to mid/high 200's. Do this and there are very few if any dyes that would migrate on blends. Nylon does not bleed so the low temp cure is so the substrate is not damaged. I have always said that if you could truly dial in your dryer (gas preferably) and keep the garment to below 330 degrees any white would be bleed resistant as the dyes would not migrate. What we do now to inks is horrible. A slow belt dryer set ro 320 degrees is the way ink should cure. A fast belt high temp dryer shocks the ink and that is bad. Same with flashing. Quartz bulbs that are not adjustable are the worst thing out there for the health of inks. A flash of 5 seconds is a production rate of 720 pcs per hour. A 4 second flash is 900 pcs per hour. We are overcooking our inks in all phases. Problem with a print on darks will be too much heat somewhere in the process 99% of the time.
Sonny you state the ink needs to be cured at 330 garment printing but on nylon mid to high 200's then it cant be cured on nylon? Or can it be cured on garments at nylon temps?
The Mustang White cross links at a temp conducive to Nylon printing without a catalyst. Not sure the exact temp. I was using the 330 degree mark for most if not all other inks.
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Sonny what temp does the ink cure at simple question, the substrate does not determine what temperature an ink fully cures at. Who cares what Alan has figured out by testing he is not a chemist, doesnt xenon have chemists and have scientific testing to determine the inks cure temperature?
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Sonny what temp does the ink cure at simple question, the substrate does not determine what temperature an ink fully cures at. Who cares what Alan has figured out by testing he is not a chemist, doesnt xenon have chemists and have scientific testing to determine the inks cure temperature?
I will test the batch I have and give you an exact temp. For now I would say that it cross links at around 260-270 Degrees. I will post exact numbers soon as I will be unable to do much heavy lifting for the next 3 months. This will give me time for some r&d as I recover from beam radiation and a heart procedure.
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Sonny what temp does the ink cure at simple question, the substrate does not determine what temperature an ink fully cures at. Who cares what Alan has figured out by testing he is not a chemist, doesnt xenon have chemists and have scientific testing to determine the inks cure temperature?
I will test the batch I have and give you an exact temp. For now I would say that it cross links at around 260-270 Degrees. I will post exact numbers soon as I will be unable to do much heavy lifting for the next 3 months. This will give me time for some r&d as I recover from beam radiation and a heart procedure.
Well damn there you go, that should be your big selling point. A white ink that is a true low temp cure.