TSB

Embroidery => General Embroidery => Topic started by: GraphicDisorder on February 05, 2012, 08:11:17 AM

Title: Digitizing software.
Post by: GraphicDisorder on February 05, 2012, 08:11:17 AM
So we are running a very gold version of Melco.  I feel like its not powerful enough, or that newer software surely has some advancements by this time that maybe we should be looking at new software.

So what are the rest of you using? 

I see the Wilcom Deco Studio mentioned often.  I do like they that have  30 day money back deal if you dont like it.  So low risk, however no trail to just try it without buying that I know of. 

Anything else worth looking at?

We have great results, at this point I am looking for ways to either improve them, OR decrease the time they take.  We just added another 4 head (11 heads now) so I can't have the digitizing side holding up the production side all of the time.  Thoughts?
Title: Re: Digitizing software.
Post by: Denis Kolar on February 05, 2012, 10:56:47 AM
I use Pulse and I like it. I have Creator level, one above the basic level of Pulse.
I do not have many drawing tools in it, bat I get around with doing most of the stuff in Illustrator, and converting all of it to shapes in Pulse.
After I get the shapes, I do the manual settings for the stitch type, densities, underlay, pull, etc.
Title: Re: Digitizing software.
Post by: Fluid on February 05, 2012, 11:37:17 AM
I have Wilcom ES65 and it is top notch.  If you can muster the cost for Wilcom I am sure you will be very happy.  I also have 3 training videos; digitizing, lettering & editing.  Very boring yet extremely informative and interactive.

I actually taught myself to digitize using this software and did all our digitizing for some time until the art side was too much that we contracted out our digitizing. 

It has all the drawing tools needed to design directly in the program yet it also accepts DXF files for which I would design in CorelDRAW, export and then open in Wilcom and most of the work was already completed.  Essentially only having to assign fill types and such.

Title: Re: Digitizing software.
Post by: inkman996 on February 05, 2012, 12:27:12 PM
I have Wilcom ES65 and it is top notch.  If you can muster the cost for Wilcom I am sure you will be very happy.  I also have 3 training videos; digitizing, lettering & editing.  Very boring yet extremely informative and interactive.

I actually taught myself to digitize using this software and did all our digitizing for some time until the art side was too much that we contracted out our digitizing. 

It has all the drawing tools needed to design directly in the program yet it also accepts DXF files for which I would design in CorelDRAW, export and then open in Wilcom and most of the work was already completed.  Essentially only having to assign fill types and such.

Where did you get the videos from?
Title: Re: Digitizing software.
Post by: Fluid on February 05, 2012, 12:58:11 PM
They came with my software when we bought our first 4 head.  I honestly haven't seen them out on the net either. They are specific to the Wilcom software though so you might try there. yet I would suggest only if using the Wilcom software as I am sure it would be different for other progs.
Title: Re: Digitizing software.
Post by: GraphicDisorder on February 05, 2012, 01:12:28 PM
I use Pulse and I like it. I have Creator level, one above the basic level of Pulse.
I do not have many drawing tools in it, bat I get around with doing most of the stuff in Illustrator, and converting all of it to shapes in Pulse.
After I get the shapes, I do the manual settings for the stitch type, densities, underlay, pull, etc.

How well is modern digitizing sofware at coverting shapes into useable/editable embroidery shapes.  I mean our program does it now, but you can't really do much with it other than sew it.  You can't for example in a H sew the vertical lines one way, and the horizontal line another. 

Title: Re: Digitizing software.
Post by: inkman996 on February 05, 2012, 01:50:26 PM
Brandt Wilcox is 100% professional digitizing software there is nothing at all you can do with it, you get down to single stitching one by one or use many of the drawing tools. I have Wilcox but I started out on old compucom software Wilcox is worth every penny.

Fluid we bought our Wilcox second hand from a local that went out of business unfortunately he had no Manuals or training included so I am self taught in the software, there is literally never a day that goes by I don't learn something new with it.
Title: Re: Digitizing software.
Post by: GraphicDisorder on February 05, 2012, 02:31:29 PM
Brandt Wilcox is 100% professional digitizing software there is nothing at all you can do with it, you get down to single stitching one by one or use many of the drawing tools. I have Wilcox but I started out on old compucom software Wilcox is worth every penny.

Fluid we bought our Wilcox second hand from a local that went out of business unfortunately he had no Manuals or training included so I am self taught in the software, there is literally never a day that goes by I don't learn something new with it.

Do you mean, nothing at all you "cant" do? 

Main things I would love to be able to do is bring in vector logos (a lot of stuff we do we have in vector).  But I want the power to manipulate it.  Like the example I gave, a H might come in as a shape being a fill, what if I want it to be 3 satins (2 vertical sticks and a horizontal one).    So I want something I can easily bust that up and do it how I want.  We are big on sew direction and flow of lettering/shapes. 

Wilcom does that? 

Which version do you have?

Title: Re: Digitizing software.
Post by: inkman996 on February 05, 2012, 03:07:57 PM
Yes wilcox does that Brandt but seriously it's not neccesary you can create three columns and define the directions etc in seconds. When it comes to digitizing I never use vector I always work off of a raster. You can use the vector tools but for me it is quicker to digitize from scratch and the results are typically better. When doing from scratch you can set overlaps a lot easier and digitize indivual sections that might normally be part of one whole object as a vector.

I use Wilcom ES6
Title: Re: Digitizing software.
Post by: GraphicDisorder on February 05, 2012, 03:30:13 PM
Yes wilcox does that Brandt but seriously it's not neccesary you can create three columns and define the directions etc in seconds. When it comes to digitizing I never use vector I always work off of a raster. You can use the vector tools but for me it is quicker to digitize from scratch and the results are typically better. When doing from scratch you can set overlaps a lot easier and digitize indivual sections that might normally be part of one whole object as a vector.

I use Wilcom ES6

But I can already do all of that in my shitty software.  I guess I dont need anything new then. 

I was hopping for something with more power.  Sounds like there isn't, I need something to save time.... 
Title: Re: Digitizing software.
Post by: Denis Kolar on February 06, 2012, 09:30:36 AM
I use Pulse and I like it. I have Creator level, one above the basic level of Pulse.
I do not have many drawing tools in it, bat I get around with doing most of the stuff in Illustrator, and converting all of it to shapes in Pulse.
After I get the shapes, I do the manual settings for the stitch type, densities, underlay, pull, etc.

How well is modern digitizing sofware at coverting shapes into useable/editable embroidery shapes.  I mean our program does it now, but you can't really do much with it other than sew it.  You can't for example in a H sew the vertical lines one way, and the horizontal line another. 

I did not mean "Autodigitize". When I said that I meant that you get a "Shape" that you have a complete control of. As for the "H" letter, yes, you can do that. there is a slice too that you can use and make letter "H" as a 3 pieces that can c=be adjusted separately and have different thread directions.
Also, it has a quite big selection of pretty good pre-digitized fonts that sew out great.
http://www.hirschinternational.com/Products/Pulse-Microsystems-Software/Embroidery-Software-Solutions.aspx (http://www.hirschinternational.com/Products/Pulse-Microsystems-Software/Embroidery-Software-Solutions.aspx)
Title: Re: Digitizing software.
Post by: inkman996 on February 06, 2012, 09:50:55 AM
Brandt Wilcom has full vector manipulation and creation as any graphic software, like I said tho I do not rely on it or anything to do with vector. But in your case since you do like it that way Wilcom might be great for you since you can manipulate vector easily. Wilcom also offers much much more than just that, what may or may not be benificial for you is any bodys guess, us personally one of its great features is the direct queing to the machine it is much faster the the compucon and has more features, for instance I have a color palette set up to match our 15 needles machine with the exact colors, I set the needles in wilcom and when the design arrives at the machine all the color changes are set.
Title: Re: Digitizing software.
Post by: GraphicDisorder on February 06, 2012, 09:59:34 AM
Brandt Wilcom has full vector manipulation and creation as any graphic software, like I said tho I do not rely on it or anything to do with vector. But in your case since you do like it that way Wilcom might be great for you since you can manipulate vector easily. Wilcom also offers much much more than just that, what may or may not be benificial for you is any bodys guess, us personally one of its great features is the direct queing to the machine it is much faster the the compucon and has more features, for instance I have a color palette set up to match our 15 needles machine with the exact colors, I set the needles in wilcom and when the design arrives at the machine all the color changes are set.

Certainly sounds like what I need.

However I wish there was a way to try it, they are tyring ot get me to do a online demo, Shelly doesn't have time to stop to do a online demo.
Title: Re: Digitizing software.
Post by: Denis Kolar on February 06, 2012, 10:13:36 AM
Brandt, Wilcom is a way to go, but I do not think that Wilcom Deco Studio is powerful enough. If you have enough money, full blown version of Wilcom is great. Pulse, is i think a close second spot. I got it because it is sold with Tajima, and it can be hooked up to a Tajima via LAN cable and router. No need to use jump drive or floppies for designs.
Title: Re: Digitizing software.
Post by: GraphicDisorder on February 06, 2012, 12:13:02 PM
Brandt, Wilcom is a way to go, but I do not think that Wilcom Deco Studio is powerful enough. If you have enough money, full blown version of Wilcom is great. Pulse, is i think a close second spot. I got it because it is sold with Tajima, and it can be hooked up to a Tajima via LAN cable and router. No need to use jump drive or floppies for designs.

How much is it?  I am not spending 15k on software...  I can tell you that lol
Title: Re: Digitizing software.
Post by: 3Deep on February 06, 2012, 12:26:42 PM
I,m still using an old version of CorelDraw Drawstich with Drawings been pretty good so far I,m like fluid I taught myself how to digitize.  I don't do to bad but just think how much better I could be if I really knew what I was doing LOL.

Darryl
Title: Re: Digitizing software.
Post by: Denis Kolar on February 06, 2012, 12:35:01 PM
Brandt, Wilcom is a way to go, but I do not think that Wilcom Deco Studio is powerful enough. If you have enough money, full blown version of Wilcom is great. Pulse, is i think a close second spot. I got it because it is sold with Tajima, and it can be hooked up to a Tajima via LAN cable and router. No need to use jump drive or floppies for designs.

How much is it?  I am not spending 15k on software...  I can tell you that lol

I do not know right now, the top Maestro level might be 10-15K, but the lower levels should be less.
Title: Re: Digitizing software.
Post by: GraphicDisorder on February 06, 2012, 12:46:03 PM
Brandt, Wilcom is a way to go, but I do not think that Wilcom Deco Studio is powerful enough. If you have enough money, full blown version of Wilcom is great. Pulse, is i think a close second spot. I got it because it is sold with Tajima, and it can be hooked up to a Tajima via LAN cable and router. No need to use jump drive or floppies for designs.

How much is it?  I am not spending 15k on software...  I can tell you that lol

I do not know right now, the top Maestro level might be 10-15K, but the lower levels should be less.

What are those going to do I can't do with some lower levels.
Title: Re: Digitizing software.
Post by: Denis Kolar on February 06, 2012, 12:54:16 PM
Brandt, Wilcom is a way to go, but I do not think that Wilcom Deco Studio is powerful enough. If you have enough money, full blown version of Wilcom is great. Pulse, is i think a close second spot. I got it because it is sold with Tajima, and it can be hooked up to a Tajima via LAN cable and router. No need to use jump drive or floppies for designs.


How much is it?  I am not spending 15k on software...  I can tell you that lol


I do not know right now, the top Maestro level might be 10-15K, but the lower levels should be less.


What are those going to do I can't do with some lower levels.

http://www.hirschinternational.com/Products/Pulse-Microsystems-Software/Embroidery-Software-Solutions.aspx (http://www.hirschinternational.com/Products/Pulse-Microsystems-Software/Embroidery-Software-Solutions.aspx)
You can see the difference here.
Title: Re: Digitizing software.
Post by: GraphicDisorder on February 06, 2012, 01:03:51 PM
No prices.  Gay....
Title: Digitizing software.
Post by: Get Shirts on February 06, 2012, 05:55:26 PM
As in happy?
Title: Re: Digitizing software.
Post by: GraphicDisorder on February 06, 2012, 06:18:39 PM
Negative Ghost Rider....

Title: Re: Digitizing software.
Post by: 3Deep on February 06, 2012, 07:20:15 PM
I think Brandt meant having no posted prices suck
Title: Re: Digitizing software.
Post by: GraphicDisorder on February 06, 2012, 07:39:14 PM
Ya, I don't understand that.  The software has a price, post it.  Hell post a suggested retail price even. 
Title: Re: Digitizing software.
Post by: JBLUE on March 07, 2012, 10:34:10 AM
Lets bring this back up. I am getting ready to pull the trigger on a machine and have to make a decision on software. I plan on outsourcing our digitizing until we get it down. I do however want to be able to do it in house. Do any of these programs allow you to add density and stitches manually or is that only available in the higher end programs. I dont have any issues spending  a few grand on software as long as it will allow me to do editing. For you guys that do this all the time do you have any recommendations?
Title: Re: Digitizing software.
Post by: Catnhat on March 07, 2012, 10:55:59 AM
We outsource most of our digitizing, mainly because we suck at it.
But we did find this, I think I got it at the Long Beach show a few years ago, they were giving the instal discs out.

http://stitchera.com/design_era/? (http://stitchera.com/design_era/?)

It is limited to 40,000 stitches and is ad supported, requires an internet connection, BUT it's free and it gave us something to learn with without investing, well, anything.
Title: Re: Digitizing software.
Post by: JBLUE on March 07, 2012, 11:04:57 AM
I will check that out. I have no doubt that I will suck at it to in the beginning that is why I am going to use people until we can get it down. In the end I want it in house so I want to get a decent software to be able to do that.
Title: Re: Digitizing software.
Post by: JBLUE on March 07, 2012, 11:55:58 AM
I want to be able to fix something like this outline. If I get the file from a digitizer and it sews like this I would want to add stitches to the outline. I hope this makes sense. Personally I think this outline looks like crap.

(http://i594.photobucket.com/albums/tt25/Inkwerksspd/Lago.jpg)

Title: Re: Digitizing software.
Post by: mk162 on March 07, 2012, 12:49:30 PM
naw, that looks great!!!

It actually looks like the underlayment and they forgot to put the top stitching on.
Title: Re: Digitizing software.
Post by: Denis Kolar on March 07, 2012, 06:31:27 PM
J, it depends which file you get from your digitizer. If you get DST files, you will have to spend some time cleaning it up because DST is broken down in many, many pieces, Make sure you get something that uses the same files as your digitizer.
If he uses Wilcom, try getting something compatible.
Title: Re: Digitizing software.
Post by: Homer on March 07, 2012, 09:45:32 PM
I'm playing around with some software I just bought. . .driving me bat sh!t crazy, trying to do a damn circle. . .I want to eventually do it myself -the small things anyway. Complicated junk, I'll send that out but man, this is nothing like anything I've worked with before. I am sending this out for sure, I don't have time to mess with this anymore.
Title: Re: Digitizing software.
Post by: Denis Kolar on March 07, 2012, 10:12:01 PM
Import a Vector or a JPG and draw over it
Title: Re: Digitizing software.
Post by: JBLUE on March 07, 2012, 11:18:06 PM
I am looking really closely at Drawings 5. What do you guys think? This is my front runner.
Title: Re: Digitizing software.
Post by: Homer on March 08, 2012, 08:48:24 AM
I am looking really closely at Drawings 5. What do you guys think? This is my front runner.

me too, since I'm familiar with corel. . . Talk to Darryl, he uses the old, old version. I got digistitch or some damn thing from data-stitch so I can send files to my machines. . I hate being a rookie at this . .what's that?. .that is called a bobbin. . oh. .  well then what's that thing?. . this? this is the embroidery machine. . ohhh. . .haha friggen newbie all the way right here man. .
Title: Re: Digitizing software.
Post by: JBLUE on March 08, 2012, 10:40:56 AM
I am looking really closely at Drawings 5. What do you guys think? This is my front runner.

me too, since I'm familiar with corel. . . Talk to Darryl, he uses the old, old version. I got digistitch or some damn thing from data-stitch so I can send files to my machines. . I hate being a rookie at this . .what's that?. .that is called a bobbin. . oh. .  well then what's that thing?. . this? this is the embroidery machine. . ohhh. . .haha friggen newbie all the way right here man. .

That will be us in a few weeks. There will be a lot of WTF questions coming....lol