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screen printing => Waterbase and Discharge => Topic started by: blue moon on February 15, 2013, 02:01:53 PM
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we have a customer looking to do 100 pieces of 5-6 different colors of FOL shirts and are wanting discharge.
Does anybody have any experience with their product and any of the individual colors?
thanx,
pierre
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If they want to do a bunch of colors I would tell them they need to use gildans. At least with gildans you can look at their chart and know how they will do before deciding on a color. You can look at the gildan chart and at least be able to eliminate colors that don't discharge will. I bet even the Fruit shirt follow that chart for similar results. Fruit of the loom would never be my first choice.
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although we just had a handful of gildan blacks that were obviously overdyed its a first for us.
as far as fruits.. we haven't used them in quite awhile
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This is from Union Ink, dated 1997:
What Shirts Are Dischargeable?
Only selected dyes used on natural fibers are dischargeable. Fruit of the Loom and Lee are the only major garment manufacturers stating some colors of their 100% cotton T shirts will discharge well. Fruit of the Loom rates their black, navy, denim, burgundy and brick as being the most dischargeable and their wedgewood, cadet blue, royal, purple and yellowjacket as the poorest. Other colors fall somewhere between.
Lee rates their shirts on a 1-10 scale with ten being the most dischargeable. Lee colors rated as tens are: black, gold, navy, purple, english rose, primrose and powder blue. Colors rated at 7 and discharging ok are peacock, kelly, wine and true red. Colors rated as poorest dischargeable colors are royal, hunter and ash.
Printers are advised to test the dye lot of each new case of shirts by checking the dischargeability of the top and bottom garments in a shipment, using the area to be printed or on an inner seam and put aside garments which do not discharge well for other uses.
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I used to print these alot with the Matsui discharge, and they worked pretty well, but it's been at least 2 years since i've discharged a FOTL tee
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These FOL's are discharge friendly but limited in colors. Although I do not like the collar on these. They seem to sag quickly.
https://www.alphashirt.com/cgi-bin/online/webshr/prod-detail.w?sr=DA2727¤tColor= (https://www.alphashirt.com/cgi-bin/online/webshr/prod-detail.w?sr=DA2727¤tColor=)
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looking at the 3930 in particular. 100% cotton, 6.1oz . . .
pierre
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That quote from Union is a classic example of an ink manufacturer not really being in touch with product application. Fact is many heathered blends do indeed discharge. We were always told not to even try. Then one day, while running an Indian Motorcycle program for Alternative Apparel they wanted to throw in some of their new colored heathers despite my objections. Bam they discharged beautifully.
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looking at the 3930 in particular. 100% cotton, 6.1oz . . .
pierre
hey pierre, are you shure that 3930 is a 6.1? i know they were 5.4 .they must have changed that.. the loftee is a 6.1 and discharge pretty good. fruit seems to be making a comback here. the products are decent now.. that loftee was always my favorite 4c process tee.
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looking at the 3930 in particular. 100% cotton, 6.1oz . . .
pierre
hey pierre, are you shure that 3930 is a 6.1? i know they were 5.4 .they must have changed that.. the loftee is a 6.1 and discharge pretty good. fruit seems to be making a comback here. the products are decent now.. that loftee was always my favorite 4c process tee.
no, not really. . .that's what the customer told us.
pierre
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My memory of FOL (It's been a few years since I've printed any) was that anything with their royal blue dyd in it didn't work.
So Won't discharge: Royal, purple, jade, kelly. I'm pretty sure their reds, oranges, browns & navy worked good. Heather-type shirts won't usually discharge because of the poly content.
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bumping this to see if anyone is printing discharge on the Fruit of the Loom 3930R HD Cotton Ts lately? Got a rush job just white and red on black but have never printed on these before.
thanks!
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we have a customer looking to do 100 pieces of 5-6 different colors of FOL shirts and are wanting discharge.
Does anybody have any experience with their product and any of the individual colors?
thanx,
pierre
This is from the Fruit website. Not sure though if this chart applies only to Jerzees or Jerzees and Fruit of the Loom tees.
Hope this helps.
https://www.fruitactivewear.com/discharge-ratings-chart (https://www.fruitactivewear.com/discharge-ratings-chart)
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dont forget, since COVID the dye loading and other parameters have changed. I would not trust any information dating back more than few months.
pierre
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dont forget, since COVID the dye loading and other parameters have changed. I would not trust any information dating back more than few months.
pierre
DING DING DING.
we've stopped doing as much straight discharge, since there are so many things out of our control. DCUB and HSA is a chef's kiss of a combo.
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The 3931 on Alpha's site says it's a 5 oz., which is what I remember.
Steve