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Artist => Copyrights/Trade Marks info/questions => Topic started by: Dottonedan on August 20, 2023, 09:37:50 PM

Title: Shop gets locked down, Product and Equipment confiscated, Owner goes to jail.
Post by: Dottonedan on August 20, 2023, 09:37:50 PM
This stuff is no joke.


People often think it's just a tee shirt. Nobody's gonna care.

https://www.arlingtontx.gov/news/my_arlington_t_x/news_stories/detectives_seize__650_000_in_counterfeit_merch  (https://www.arlingtontx.gov/news/my_arlington_t_x/news_stories/detectives_seize__650_000_in_counterfeit_merch)
Title: Re: Shop gets locked down, Product and Equipment confiscated, Owner goes to jail.
Post by: 3Deep on August 21, 2023, 04:21:40 PM
All there going to do is open up in another place and keep pumping it out, what can you do?
Title: Re: Shop gets locked down, Product and Equipment confiscated, Owner goes to jail.
Post by: GoWestRob on August 22, 2023, 12:04:34 PM
interesting, thanks for posting
Title: Re: Shop gets locked down, Product and Equipment confiscated, Owner goes to jail.
Post by: Frog on August 22, 2023, 12:38:38 PM
I do a lot of one piece and small orders, and seem to often attract folks who want me to use images that they may or may not realize are copyrighted.
"But I'm not selling these" is the most common thing I hear.
"But I am", is my reply.
Title: Re: Shop gets locked down, Product and Equipment confiscated, Owner goes to jail.
Post by: Sbrem on August 22, 2023, 04:46:10 PM
I do a lot of one piece and small orders, and seem to often attract folks who want me to use images that they may or may not realize are copyrighted.
"But I'm not selling these" is the most common thing I hear.
"But I am", is my reply.

Because, as printers, we are supposed to know, playing dumb won't work.

Steve
Title: Re: Shop gets locked down, Product and Equipment confiscated, Owner goes to jail.
Post by: mk162 on August 24, 2023, 01:49:29 PM
I do a lot of one piece and small orders, and seem to often attract folks who want me to use images that they may or may not realize are copyrighted.
"But I'm not selling these" is the most common thing I hear.
"But I am", is my reply.

Because, as printers, we are supposed to know, playing dumb won't work.

Steve

I've had stuff get past me before, like the stupid whale from Vineyard Vines.
Title: Re: Shop gets locked down, Product and Equipment confiscated, Owner goes to jail.
Post by: Frog on August 24, 2023, 02:04:00 PM
I do a lot of one piece and small orders, and seem to often attract folks who want me to use images that they may or may not realize are copyrighted.
"But I'm not selling these" is the most common thing I hear.
"But I am", is my reply.

Because, as printers, we are supposed to know, playing dumb won't work.

Steve

I've had stuff get past me before, like the stupid whale from Vineyard Vines.

When I have doubts. I post the image online, right click,  and do a Google search for it.
Title: Re: Shop gets locked down, Product and Equipment confiscated, Owner goes to jail.
Post by: ebscreen on August 24, 2023, 03:50:30 PM

When I have doubts. I post the image online, right click,  and do a Google search for it.

We've always taken a super hardline stance on copyright, but I think a bootlegger of a band
on tour from Thailand pulled one over on us once. Not really sure though, the image didn't
exist on the internet but that doesn't mean anything in terms of copycats.

We won't even do the local sports team using the same colors but not the logo designs.
They always ask why and I tell them that we already print for X team and then suddenly we don't hear from them again.

I always knew the fines for copyright infringement were stiff, but I didn't know there was possible jail time.

Title: Re: Shop gets locked down, Product and Equipment confiscated, Owner goes to jail.
Post by: Dottonedan on August 24, 2023, 04:06:41 PM
I think the difference between a civil suit and a criminal suit is the $.
If it’s proven that you not only infringed, but knowingly and purposefully infringed and gained a lot of  money, a good lawyer could argue theft. In this case, with all of the DTF business starting up, I’m thinking they want to send a nice, clear message to others.
Title: Re: Shop gets locked down, Product and Equipment confiscated, Owner goes to jail.
Post by: ebscreen on August 24, 2023, 04:32:55 PM
So the other odd thing I was thinking about this one is if you are making counterfeit patches why would you do it domestically?
You could be running a million heads in China at minimal labor cost, no threat of law, and if customs seizes some who cares.
I don't know, seems odd, but maybe that's why I'm not in the counterfeiting business.

I have a friend that works at a Louis Vuitton factory/repair place in the Dallas area. I wonder if the
proximity has anything to do with it. To the Mystery Mobile!
Title: Re: Shop gets locked down, Product and Equipment confiscated, Owner goes to jail.
Post by: Dottonedan on August 24, 2023, 04:56:12 PM
The Indians and Chinese or most any 3rd world type business like to also come here and try to pretty much work the same way.  You will see a lot of “family” and friends get work visas and work in these places. Often for pretty close to the same pay as they would get over in their country. I have known and know one or two shops similar to this scenario. And some of those I’ve known will have no issues bootlegging. It’s so common in their countries. Part of business.
Title: Re: Shop gets locked down, Product and Equipment confiscated, Owner goes to jail.
Post by: Homer on August 24, 2023, 08:01:29 PM
had a guy come in today wanting his golf cart wrapped in Harley-Davidson. I said no thanks, nothing I could do, copyright infringement, law suits, blah blah blah. He turned into a jerk about it, I returned the favor.....

I may or may not have turned in a local "CriKet Karen" business for making bootleg NFL apparel... I'm over it, 100k for a license and you're trying to bypass the system due to ignorance?, nope....
Title: Re: Shop gets locked down, Product and Equipment confiscated, Owner goes to jail.
Post by: Sbrem on August 25, 2023, 12:31:34 PM
We're the same, we don't touch it, no value in it, too much to lose, etc. Just because a customer doesn't "get it" is no reason to risk our businesses.

Steve
Title: Re: Shop gets locked down, Product and Equipment confiscated, Owner goes to jail.
Post by: balloonguy on August 25, 2023, 01:46:02 PM
Years ago I had a customer printing the number 13 on black tees. They got a cease and desist letter from the nfl. I guess it was a dolphins/marino thing. My customer told me that is exactly what they were doing. I did not catch it though. I am not a big sports guy but even if I was I am not sure that I would have made the connection. I am not saying the guys in the article don't deserve to be punished but I think that not being allowed to print a number on a shirt is a little over the top.
Title: Re: Shop gets locked down, Product and Equipment confiscated, Owner goes to jail.
Post by: GraphicDisorder on August 28, 2023, 07:16:04 AM
Years ago I had a customer printing the number 13 on black tees. They got a cease and desist letter from the nfl. I guess it was a dolphins/marino thing. My customer told me that is exactly what they were doing. I did not catch it though. I am not a big sports guy but even if I was I am not sure that I would have made the connection. I am not saying the guys in the article don't deserve to be punished but I think that not being allowed to print a number on a shirt is a little over the top.

Probably depends on the context on that. 13 is probably fine, it's probably not fine with Dolphins colors also or any other connecting reference.
Title: Re: Shop gets locked down, Product and Equipment confiscated, Owner goes to jail.
Post by: mk162 on August 28, 2023, 11:22:43 AM
I had one get past me, back before reverse search was as easy as it is now.  It was the Vineyard Vines whale, customer brings it in on a printout because email was harder then and smartphones weren't around.  Didn't know it until my wife(then girlfriend) saw the screens and pointed out what it was.

Oops.

I had someone wanting the dragon from Pete's dragon on some shirts, and I passed on it.  Disney probably wouldn't be happy if they found that online(which is where he was selling them)
Title: Re: Shop gets locked down, Product and Equipment confiscated, Owner goes to jail.
Post by: balloonguy on August 28, 2023, 11:24:02 AM


Probably depends on the context on that. 13 is probably fine, it's probably not fine with Dolphins colors also or any other connecting reference.
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It was teal ink on a black shirt- no other reference. It wasn't even orange and teal... The customer was not surprised though.
Title: Re: Shop gets locked down, Product and Equipment confiscated, Owner goes to jail.
Post by: 3Deep on August 28, 2023, 12:42:38 PM


Probably depends on the context on that. 13 is probably fine, it's probably not fine with Dolphins colors also or any other connecting reference.
It was teal ink on a black shirt- no other reference. It wasn't even orange and teal... The customer was not surprised though.
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they must been selling a butt load, otherwise that seems like an over reach to me, even still if they were selling a load seems like an overreach