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screen printing => Ink and Chemicals => Topic started by: Rockers on July 25, 2016, 07:01:49 AM
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My contact at Wilflex in Asia pointed me towards the Rio color mixing system. Apparently it`s Wilflex answer to Union Mixo color system with added benefits like accurate Pantone match, much brighter colors and good wet on wet printing.
Any of you guys currently using the RIO system?
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It appears to be quite new, as its roll-out announcement appeared just two weeks go.
http://www.polyone.com/news/textile-screen-printers-have-new-ally-epic-rio-non-phthalate-ink-mixing-system-wilflex (http://www.polyone.com/news/textile-screen-printers-have-new-ally-epic-rio-non-phthalate-ink-mixing-system-wilflex)
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no interest here as it's a 'finished' ink system. Due to all the different bases we use for different purposes, we prefer the Wilflex PC system.
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no interest here as it's a 'finished' ink system. Due to all the different bases we use for different purposes, we prefer the Wilflex PC system.
By being aimed at the manual shop (though they say it's also great on autos) the implication may be smaller runs, and smaller quantities mixed.
My biggest problem with the PC systems since I first used them twenty years ago or so, was the difficulty in accurately mixing some components for just a few ounces of finished product. They can get incredibly tiny.
Also, after the test half pints I had, when I looked into replacing some pigments, they were only available in gallons, of which some colors would last me and well into the next millennium, if I were to last that long.
btw, since moving away from p/f/p, I am almost always adding a base even to my Mixopake finished inks. (Just as, many, many, years ago, to reduce stock, I bought some colors in Maxopake, and merely cut it for lights. In fact, in that same vein, I bought Chrome Yellow and made it Golden Yellow with the addition of red pigment
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Whats the price? Its for both oil and water base ink?
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Whats the price? Its for both oil and water base ink?
This is a plastisol system.
Check your Wilflex dealer for price.
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no interest here as it's a 'finished' ink system. Due to all the different bases we use for different purposes, we prefer the Wilflex PC system.
By being aimed at the manual shop (though they say it's also great on autos) the implication may be smaller runs, and smaller quantities mixed.
My biggest problem with the PC systems since I first used them twenty years ago or so, was the difficulty in accurately mixing some components for just a few ounces of finished product. They can get incredibly tiny.
Also, after the test half pints I had, when I looked into replacing some pigments, they were only available in gallons, of which some colors would last me and well into the next millennium, if I were to last that long.
btw, since moving away from p/f/p, I am almost always adding a base even to my Mixopake finished inks. (Just as, many, many, years ago, to reduce stock, I bought some colors in Maxopake, and merely cut it for lights. In fact, in that same vein, I bought Chrome Yellow and made it Golden Yellow with the addition of red pigment
Epic Rio - works very well on automatics too - here are two pictures of a print I achieved with a professional outfit in South London UK - 9 colours - flash white through 120T per cm some colours through 150T 2 flashes - 120 prints / 20 minutes / M&R Challenger 3 - job done ????????
Philip Collins-Shone
Area Sales Manager, EMEA Specialty Inks and Polymer Systems
PolyOne Corporation
Philip.collins-shone@polyone.com
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How good are the wet-on-wet characteristics after a 1,000+ pcs?
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How good are the wet-on-wet characteristics after a 1,000+ pcs?
Hi Colin
That is the next challenge ???? will update you when I have run that many - tricky to find 1,000 piece runs these days ????
Philip Collins-Shone
Area Sales Manager, EMEA Specialty Inks and Polymer Systems
PolyOne Corporation
Philip.collins-shone@polyone.com
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no interest here as it's a 'finished' ink system. Due to all the different bases we use for different purposes, we prefer the Wilflex PC system.
By being aimed at the manual shop (though they say it's also great on autos) the implication may be smaller runs, and smaller quantities mixed.
My biggest problem with the PC systems since I first used them twenty years ago or so, was the difficulty in accurately mixing some components for just a few ounces of finished product. They can get incredibly tiny.
Also, after the test half pints I had, when I looked into replacing some pigments, they were only available in gallons, of which some colors would last me and well into the next millennium, if I were to last that long.
btw, since moving away from p/f/p, I am almost always adding a base even to my Mixopake finished inks. (Just as, many, many, years ago, to reduce stock, I bought some colors in Maxopake, and merely cut it for lights. In fact, in that same vein, I bought Chrome Yellow and made it Golden Yellow with the addition of red pigment
Epic Rio - works very well on automatics too - here are two pictures of a print I achieved with a professional outfit in South London UK - 9 colours - flash white through 120T per cm some colours through 150T 2 flashes - 120 prints / 20 minutes / M&R Challenger 3 - job done ????????
Philip Collins-Shone
Area Sales Manager, EMEA Specialty Inks and Polymer Systems
PolyOne Corporation
Philip.collins-shone@polyone.com
Looks great. Which shop did that. Just out of interest as I have worked myself in screen printing in London for many years.
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I am sure they won't mind a bit of positive publicity - we worked with FITshirts to do this - great team in here ????????
Philip Collins-Shone
Area Sales Manager, EMEA Specialty Inks and Polymer Systems
PolyOne Corporation
Philip.collins-shone@polyone.com
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We are getting this system this week and hope to do a lot of testing over the coming weeks. We do have several 1000+ orders coming up but it's unclear if we'll "test" the inks and system on those or go with what we know works.
We do plan on a full review, good and bad, when the time comes if anyone is interested. I downloaded the mixing system program yesterday and while I haven't had a chance to really dig into it, it does look pretty sweet!
We are all auto and do a lot of WoW printing
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We are getting this system this week and hope to do a lot of testing over the coming weeks. We do have several 1000+ orders coming up but it's unclear if we'll "test" the inks and system on those or go with what we know works.
We do plan on a full review, good and bad, when the time comes if anyone is interested. I downloaded the mixing system program yesterday and while I haven't had a chance to really dig into it, it does look pretty sweet!
We are all auto and do a lot of WoW printing
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Philip Collins-Shone
Area Sales Manager, EMEA Specialty Inks and Polymer Systems
PolyOne Corporation
Philip.collins-shone@polyone.com
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EPIC RIO printed last week in Moscow with DIGL Design - the colours (5)- printed wet on wet 100T, single stroke- Dark blue in WIlfex logo direct to garment :-)
Philip Collins-Shone
Area Sales Manager, EMEA Specialty Inks and Polymer Systems
PolyOne Corporation
Philip.collins-shone@polyone.com
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Has anyone used the Rio system on longer Sim. Process runs (500+)? If so how was the WOW print-ability and opacity throughout the run?
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Is this a super opaque, where you can P-F-P without an underbase such as Union Maxopake?
How do the wet on wet capabilities compare to the MX system?
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Danny is running it.
He said he would post in a week or so on his findings and thoughts.
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Is this a super opaque, where you can P-F-P without an underbase such as Union Maxopake?
How do the wet on wet capabilities compare to the MX system?
Hi There
It is not super opaque - you will need an under base. The more opaque you make a system the bigger the compromise becomes regarding Pantone accuracy. It prints very similar to MX.
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Is this a super opaque, where you can P-F-P without an underbase such as Union Maxopake?
How do the wet on wet capabilities compare to the MX system?
Hi There
It is not super opaque - you will need an under base. The more opaque you make a system the bigger the compromise becomes regarding Pantone accuracy. It prints very similar to MX.
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Thanks!
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Currently using mx and have the tester kit of the rio.
What are the pros and cons of each comparatively? I have my main customer that is wanting brighter colors on darks...can I achieve this better with the rio?
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Has anyone used the Rio system on longer Sim. Process runs (500+)? If so how was the WOW print-ability and opacity throughout the run?
Two new EPIC RIO prints 9 cols printed in Poland last week - two flashes 500 pcs (previously used 4 flashes on the bold print with another ink system ) - needed to stop twice for thread removal - no screen wiping - no build up - colours were "right first time" this system is real "hot " right now ;D 8)
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A bit off topic here but hone that second print all I can say is wow! Spot on for the flesh color. Nice!
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Any comments from Rio users... Happy or Not So Much?
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Any comments from Rio users... Happy or Not So Much?
Very happy with rio here.... I've been bogged down the last few weeks training and testing new stuff but I'll make time soon to report back here. Super happy with rio right now
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Currently using mx and have the tester kit of the rio.
What are the pros and cons of each comparatively? I have my main customer that is wanting brighter colors on darks...can I achieve this better with the rio?
Sorry for the delay - printed side by side it is not too easy to spot visible differences in colour tints - this is a good thing as it shows both systems are accurate to Pantone - however, I have seen drawn down cards printed with both systems side by side and the Rio definitely has more opacity built into it.
My suggestion would be try out the most problematic colours from MX with the RIO starter kit. Regardless, you will still need an under base.
Regards
Phil
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Currently using mx and have the tester kit of the rio.
What are the pros and cons of each comparatively? I have my main customer that is wanting brighter colors on darks...can I achieve this better with the rio?
Sorry for the delay - printed side by side it is not too easy to spot visible differences in colour tints - this is a good thing as it shows both systems are accurate to Pantone - however, I have seen drawn down cards printed with both systems side by side and the Rio definitely has more opacity built into it.
My suggestion would be try out the most problematic colours from MX with the RIO starter kit. Regardless, you will still need an under base.
Regards
Phil
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Have a look at the pictures attached and zoom in on the folded shirts half & half - The Epic Rio print is on the left you can see the same colours the red, yellow ,green printed over a base white and direct to garment - look at the yellow & red halftones in particular.
A new yellow component has been added to the Rio system. Ignore the different shade of the dark blue direct on to the black garment - we purposely used a different shade so we could tell which were Rio and which were MX ???????????? the opacity difference is subtle but it is definitely there in the Rio system.
Would love to hear what you have found
Happy New Year????
Kind regards
Phil
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