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screen printing => Equipment => Topic started by: Ron Pierson on November 25, 2013, 06:48:22 PM
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........hope I did the right thing.
We do 250-300 screens a day - should help. The savings on film alone will pay for it I think. Toner is toner - still gotta buy that stuff. We got the LED light seperate - won't be here till they can catch up with production in Glen Ellen. The ST will get here first, I'm told. We are a dual cure shop, should cut burn time by percentages I assume. I'll keep all interested people on track with this progression into the 21st century - LOL.
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AWESOME!!!
good luck getting everything going Ron!
pierre
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Did you get the 1, 2 or 3 head? At that many screens per day you'll have a very fast ROI I think. I'm sure the single head unit would work for you but I think the 3 head will keep up with over 300 screens per day.
I'd love a play-by-play on this since this will likely be our next major purchase.
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Should be one of the best purchases you've ever made! I know going dts has completely changed our shop's work flow as I have preached over and over. I'm confident you will see the major savings in on press setup times that we did. Personally I would never screen print again without a dts! You'll be very happy once you get used to the change of workflow and see all the benefits. I'm sure with the amount of screens your doing your ROI will be less then 6 months. Good luck with it you will be forever changed!
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Thanks all...your comments are EXTREEMLY respected!!
we ordered the 3 head
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........hope I did the right thing.
We do 250-300 screens a day - should help. The savings on film alone will pay for it I think. Toner is toner - still gotta buy that stuff. We got the LED light seperate - won't be here till they can catch up with production in Glen Ellen. The ST will get here first, I'm told. We are a dual cure shop, should cut burn time by percentages I assume. I'll keep all interested people on track with this progression into the 21st century - LOL.
Nothing I have ever done has made a more positive impact on productivity & PROFITability than CTS/DTS technology. AND, the real savings were not in the consumeables area I expected, it is all about workflow and reduced set-up times.
~Kitson
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I second what Mr. Kitson is saying. yeah we save money on consumables, but we really make money on the set ups and not microing anything! dts is where it is at.
sam
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I'm really hoping to buy one of these in the next year. it sounds amazing. Congrats! can't wait to see pics!
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Congratulations Ron. We'll be there for you through the transition. As always, a pleasure doing business with you.
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You are absolutely going to love that thing man!!! You will see, it's the best thing you have done for your shop in a long time!!
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........hope I did the right thing.
We do 250-300 screens a day - should help. The savings on film alone will pay for it I think. Toner is toner - still gotta buy that stuff. We got the LED light seperate - won't be here till they can catch up with production in Glen Ellen. The ST will get here first, I'm told. We are a dual cure shop, should cut burn time by percentages I assume. I'll keep all interested people on track with this progression into the 21st century - LOL.
250-300 a day?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!.....my lord man!!..thats INSANE!!...I cant even wrap my brain around that!
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........hope I did the right thing.
We do 250-300 screens a day - should help. The savings on film alone will pay for it I think. Toner is toner - still gotta buy that stuff. We got the LED light seperate - won't be here till they can catch up with production in Glen Ellen. The ST will get here first, I'm told. We are a dual cure shop, should cut burn time by percentages I assume. I'll keep all interested people on track with this progression into the 21st century - LOL.
How about 2,000 screens per day. That is what one of our largest customer produces daily on for I -images.
250-300 a day?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!.....my lord man!!..thats INSANE!!...I cant even wrap my brain around that!
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2000.........? Wowza
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Must be Nutmeg :)
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Well - we can't wait!! I'll keep everyone in the loop. Rich, 244, I appreciate your support.
We are already looking to the log-jams this will cause (we have been looking at this for quite awhile)- there are many.
Staging MUST happen in a more productive way!!
Set up times will accelerate dramatically...
As we speed up production, QC will be hit with a tidal wave of printed cotton (just one area we need to "adjust").
We have 2 shifts doing screens now - what will the second shift do?? (we already have answers - no one will be let go).
The art room should be done by noon as a result of "not screwing around with film". (we will get them more work)
Shippping will start much sooner than before.
Receiving will have to be on top of their game - (they are now but....)
I can tell you that the most fun has been preping all our "teams" for this and they totally understand the implications. We have been working on this for quite some time.
Thanks for your help and support......
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Must be Nutmeg :)
Bingo!
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Well - we can't wait!! I'll keep everyone in the loop. Rich, 244, I appreciate your support.
We are already looking to the log-jams this will cause (we have been looking at this for quite awhile)- there are many.
Staging MUST happen in a more productive way!!
Set up times will accelerate dramatically...
As we speed up production, QC will be hit with a tidal wave of printed cotton (just one area we need to "adjust").
We have 2 shifts doing screens now - what will the second shift do?? (we already have answers - no one will be let go).
The art room should be done by noon as a result of "not screwing around with film". (we will get them more work)
Shippping will start much sooner than before.
Receiving will have to be on top of their game - (they are now but....)
I can tell you that the most fun has been preping all our "teams" for this and they totally understand the implications. We have been working on this for quite some time.
Thanks for your help and support......
I like this!
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Obviously this will speed things up with the film, as you mentioned, but I'd be highly interested in knowing with spot color jobs (non-process) - and in particular butt registration designs and top colors on top a white ub -- how registration is. I'd imagine it should be dead on 100 out of 100 times? Guess you'll find out every day of the week! Let us know how that goes - that would be amazing to have to not micro a job on a permanent basis and makes it more appealing for smaller shops who need more time handling other aspects of our operation aside from screenprinting, but will never have the throughput you do.
Congrats.
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Don't assume that going CTS will instantly make set ups dead on all the time. CTS is ONE PART of your system. Sure, your screens will will register to each other within .001". But if you have low quality screens, mesh tensions all over the place, press not in top form, etc, you WILL still have set up issues. I'm not implying Ron's entire operation is not top notch. It sounds like he's been very thorough. But don't think CTS will magically solve every issue in your shop. On the flip side, you will find quality improvements, time saving, etc. that you hadn't even considered.
Congrats on your new purchase. It will can be a huge game changer.
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I'd sure love to get rid of regi marks alltogether. Our setups are fast now and if anything is out of reg it's way less than a point line in any direction so I think CTS will close that gap even further. Instead of micro'ing 1 out of every 4-5 screens it will probably be 1 out of 50 or more.
For those CTS users...I'm assuming there have been some of you that have had issues show up with the screens moving when you lock them in place or is that not much of a concern with most presses these days? I don't see it much with our presses but have seen screen shift happen on other machines, especially those who have oddball locking bars that can grab the screen or shift it when locking. Like Dave said, no matter how precise the image is placed on each screen, it will still come down to something as simple as flipping the screen lock toggle (for those of us lucky enough to have air locks on our presses), as well as other parts of the process like putting the screen into the I-image.
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Alan
I am going to say this. if you had bought it a when we all started talking about this you would have had it paid off now and your press operators happier and your bosses happier with production times and dollars coming in.
I just think you are way overthinking this.
sam
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I'd also add, when we went CTS, it kind of forced us to tighten up certain areas. The art department probably had the most change to deal with. (How do you check film when there is no film to check, for example) It made us a better operation is so many ways. Things you can't put on a ROI. Jumping off my soap box for now, but always happy to share my experiences on this subject.
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Alan
I am going to say this. if you had bought it a when we all started talking about this you would have had it paid off now and your press operators happier and your bosses happier with production times and dollars coming in.
I just think you are way overthinking this.
sam
Sam, not true... you can't make those employees happy. :p
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I know how to make them LESS happy. Tell them the CTS is down for a few days. Or the Tri-Loc disappeared. Or the CIIID is down. (None are true). My employees have been fortunate to have some of the best equipment to work on. They really don't know how good they have it. I have ONE piece of film in my shop to try to demonstrate how we used to make screens. They never knew what vacuum table was for. I have one sitting in the corner. Make them set up a job once in a while without the Tri-Loc just so they know how good they do have it. I have some pretty happy, motivated, hard working and caring employees. They CAN be happy when they see how difficult it could be. Something else you can't put on a ROI
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Dave
so true..my head printer said if I ever got rid of him ( not going to happen unless he really f**ks up ) he will not work for a shop that does not have a DTS. so that says a lot right there.
like you we give them the best equipment ( tools ) to do the job and that keeps them very happy.
sam
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My comment was purely directed at Alan's situation and those particular employees and the tribulations that have been chronicled here plenty of times.
If you didn't get that joke, then I'm sorry.
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Must be Nutmeg :)
Bingo!
People talk about huge print shops, but until they know what goes on in that place, they have no idea what a big print shop is. My wife went to highschool with one of the execs over there. Place is a mega printing force to say the least. I'd say it has to be one of if not the largest in the US.
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Must be Nutmeg :)
Bingo!
People talk about huge print shops, but until they know what goes on in that place, they have no idea what a big print shop is. My wife went to highschool with one of the execs over there. Place is a mega printing force to say the least. I'd say it has to be one of if not the largest in the US.
One of the largest is correct. There are a few larger.
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Gilligan. I got the joke. I was just trying to turn a frustrating problem in to a positive situation. Sorry it came out wrong
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No sweat my brother... Just taking a stab at poor Alan. :)
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Well I'll jump in on that. It's been a while
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I can guarantee you if we went CTS I would still have at least one unhappy guy out back and he would benefit the most from it. The other two are too stupid to know what they have so CTS would benefit me and the business most of all. You can give then all the best tools and equipment and in the end it still might not make some happy. About the only thing we don't have is a CTS and my guys wouldn't last a week in another shop, they'd come crawling back to us, I know, I've seen it happen more than once.
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Alan
If what you are saying is true, then I think it is time to revisit your staff and time to clean house. my guys are so happy because they have some of the best tools to use in their job! they have up-to-date technology which lets them work smarter not harder. we have systems in place so they can success and take ownership of their position.
If I felt that way about anyone on my staff there would be a counseling session and then a termination if thing did not improve.
and btw having a revolving door is not good for business.
sam
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Bottom line, once you have a CTS, you will kick your self for a few months because you didn't do it sooner!!!!
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OK - here we go - the unit arrived today, crated.
M&R has requested we wait for the tec to uncrate...I'm good with that, he will be here Wednesday.
Much thanks to everyone who got us here and will bring us further.
I will continue to keep everyone in the loop...
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What are you going to build with the crate ;D
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HA - a second story for all the burnt screens this machine will be able to produce...
We use 300+ a day here. We SHOULD be able to "keep up" now!!
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What are you going to build with the crate ;D
haha now you mentioned crates. it would be nice to see M&R do a time lapse YouTube clip of a packaging process.
Santa came early for you guys. have fun.
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WE have been in training for 2 days. will have another short day tomorrow then.........
We're OFF TO THE RACES. THis thing looks like it will be a game changer for sure. Super nice tec here to help - VERY knowledgeable and patient!!
A big shout out to M&R for another home run.
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Ron
so have you done an ROI on it yet? what do you think it will be?
Looks sweet and I bet you are going to see a huge difference from doing film and output from the machines ect.
sam
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Hi Sam
Our ROI will be different as there are more moving parts to this puzzle than just this piece. The moving parts are too many to list - I'll mane a few....
Just one of the moving parts was proper screens for this. We spent about $25K on that alone (all during the the year). It has put us in a "no tape" arena. Just that savings, all by itself, saved us around $8-10K this year. No more film (BIG one) - 8-12 rolls a week - you add it up. There are more hard pieces of equipment on the way as well.
We think ROI will arrive somewhere around next fall or into 2015.
I'll keep everyone aware of our progress....
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Hi Sam
Our ROI will be different as there are more moving parts to this puzzle than just this piece. The moving parts are too many to list - I'll mane a few....
Just one of the moving parts was proper screens for this. We spent about $25K on that alone (all during the the year). It has put us in a "no tape" arena. Just that savings, all by itself, saved us around $8-10K this year. No more film (BIG one) - 8-12 rolls a week - you add it up. There are more hard pieces of equipment on the way as well.
We think ROI will arrive somewhere around next fall or into 2015.
I'll keep everyone aware of our progress....
Ron, can you clarify what you mean by this? Is this the clear tape used for regi's and film attachment only? If so, HOLY COW.....how many production ready screens does that represent per day?
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WE have been in training for 2 days. will have another short day tomorrow then.........
We're OFF TO THE RACES. THis thing looks like it will be a game changer for sure. Super nice tec here to help - VERY knowledgeable and patient!!
A big shout out to M&R for another home run.
Congratulations Ron. Who was your tech for set up?
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Hi Sam
Our ROI will be different as there are more moving parts to this puzzle than just this piece. The moving parts are too many to list - I'll mane a few....
Just one of the moving parts was proper screens for this. We spent about $25K on that alone (all during the the year). It has put us in a "no tape" arena. Just that savings, all by itself, saved us around $8-10K this year. No more film (BIG one) - 8-12 rolls a week - you add it up. There are more hard pieces of equipment on the way as well.
We think ROI will arrive somewhere around next fall or into 2015.
I'll keep everyone aware of our progress....
Ron, can you clarify what you mean by this? Is this the clear tape used for regi's and film attachment only? If so, HOLY COW.....how many production ready screens does that represent per day?
If I recall he said ho does around 300 a day. A number 90% of us here could not even imagine.