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screen printing => Equipment => Topic started by: Prosperi-Tees on December 05, 2013, 07:58:23 PM
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Are used older gas dryers worth the money in comparison to new more efficient gas dryers? What makes the new ones more efficient? Is it just the insulation of the dryer? Not looking to buy one just doing research, I have some debt I have to pay down first which is getting tough but I just realized I have a gas pipe already plumbed into the shop pretty close to where my dryer is now.
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What I was told was maybe depending on age. Say an old precision dryer versus my dryer that is 3-4 years old now. 244 told me huge difference.
Shane
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I assume the newer dryers will have more efficient burners.
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It's more efficient burners, air flow and circulation and how the dryers are insulated.
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we have a 2004 interchange MD-8 that does not seem to be insulated as well as the new ones. We threw some insulation over it and are now paying about $150/month for gas (10+ hours per day, six days a week, 60" belt, 8' of heat).
I've heard of ppl having a $700+ monthly gas bill with older dryers, so $150 is a huge difference!
pierre
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wow pierre, thats awesome. im not sure how i could check, but our old electric dryer has got to be killing us. can you have an electrician hook a meter up to it for a day or something? has anyone ever tried that?
thats our shops next purchase is a dryer. finding money is the tough part!
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wow pierre, thats awesome. im not sure how i could check, but our old electric dryer has got to be killing us. can you have an electrician hook a meter up to it for a day or something? has anyone ever tried that?
thats our shops next purchase is a dryer. finding money is the tough part!
Depending on the size of your electric dryer and its rated energy usage you may be spending more per month on energy than the payment on a new gas dryer. Look into that and you may find the money.
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wow pierre, thats awesome. im not sure how i could check, but our old electric dryer has got to be killing us. can you have an electrician hook a meter up to it for a day or something? has anyone ever tried that?
thats our shops next purchase is a dryer. finding money is the tough part!
we had a rather small (9KW) electric dryer that did not do too bad. With three panels and 6' tunel we could get a good number of shirts through per hour. It was strictly radiant heat, no blowers. Once we switched to gas we noticed about $200 less on our electric bill. So in our case the savings was not as big as Alan's who if I remember correctly eliminated many hundreds of $$$ from his monthly nut. . .
pierre
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I was trying to figure out the "break even point" of how big of a electric dryer you can run until it becomes cheaper to run a gas one. We have a small electric dryer we only use for when we print transfers and I was wondering at what point is it cheaper to run a gas one for them.
ANYWAY, here is a link for a meter that can be used to figure out how much your gas dryer itself costs to run-
http://www.ekmmetering.com/ekm-metering-products/gas-meters/pulse-output-gas-meter-pgm-1-read-gas-consumption-remotely.html (http://www.ekmmetering.com/ekm-metering-products/gas-meters/pulse-output-gas-meter-pgm-1-read-gas-consumption-remotely.html)
You gan get electrial meters all over the place to see what your electric dryer costd to run. Heck, you can check them out from the libraries around here. Just be careful and check it can handle the load the dryer will draw. Or else you may have more to worry about than your electric bill! :o
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I know I have posted this numerous times...but here we go again. I had a workhorse quartz dryer our electric bill would be anywhere from 800-1200 month. we then got a gas dryer and our electric bill is about 200ish a month and our gas bill is just over 100 bucks a month. right there was more than a payment is for a dryer. we are now looking to upgrade our dryer so we can feed two autos into it and still the gas usage will only go up pennies an hour yet we will yield more throughput making us more and more profit.
sam
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I know I have posted this numerous times...but here we go again. I had a workhorse quartz dryer our electric bill would be anywhere from 800-1200 month. we then got a gas dryer and our electric bill is about 200ish a month and our gas bill is just over 100 bucks a month. right there was more than a payment is for a dryer. we are now looking to upgrade our dryer so we can feed two autos into it and still the gas usage will only go up pennies an hour yet we will yield more throughput making us more and more profit.
sam
What size was the Workhorse? What size is your gas one now?
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I honestly barely noticed a difference in the as bill when we added our M&R Boomerang. We also use gas for heat/water heater/warehouse heat. But since adding the M&R we barely run the warehouse heat. It's very similar in cost. It's saving us on electric though, we had a Vastex and it was drawing some elect for sure.
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we had the 3608 workhorse 2 feet in 4 feet heat and 2 feet out
we now have the heatwave from M&R
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We went from a 5' infeed 10' heat chamber, 5' out, 48" belt gas/electric combo dryer that could run 1500+shirts an hour to the M&R Sprint International. The M&R is 8', 12', 8' and 60" belt width so considerably larger. I'll get some numbers on our gas bill in a bit but I know our electricity bill went down enough to pay for the new dryer and have money left over at the end of the month. Our electricity bill averaged about $1200/mo for this building with the old dryer and now ranges from $450-650/mo. That's why I always tell people to do whatever it takes to get a gas dryer for their shop. Electric dryers will get the job done, but the additional costs for those IR panels is ridiculous compared to gas. Even if you have to get a tank and put it outside the shop it would be way cheaper than doing electric. If your building doesn't have gas lines then do some research and see what it would take to get a line run or check on getting a tank for the nat. gas or propane.
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I guess it's because our Chaparral is so small (3 in 6 heat 3 out 24" wide) and only 3 panels that it doesn't cost us that much.
My calculations based on a 70% duty cycle which I just clocked myself over 2 mins (which does count for initial warm up), using my dryer 6 hours a day 4 days a week (we aren't even CLOSE to those numbers yet) we are only at like $56 bucks a month.
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I guess it's because our Chaparral is so small (3 in 6 heat 3 out 24" wide) and only 3 panels that it doesn't cost us that much.
My calculations based on a 70% duty cycle which I just clocked myself over 2 mins (which does count for initial warm up), using my dryer 6 hours a day 4 days a week (we aren't even CLOSE to those numbers yet) we are only at like $56 bucks a month.
Keep in mind that that same $56 bucks worth of Louisiana heat will cost $100 in California, or another expensive state or region.
That's a problem with Electric Car ads as well, They pick the cheapest rates for their claims. Thing is, Electric cars don't have the option of gas, wait a minute, yes they do, but I see very few natural gas cars today.
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I only did the math because I wanted it to make sense for me. ;)
Now I have to figure out another reason to upgrade my dryer.
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I guess it's because our Chaparral is so small (3 in 6 heat 3 out 24" wide) and only 3 panels that it doesn't cost us that much.
My calculations based on a 70% duty cycle which I just clocked myself over 2 mins (which does count for initial warm up), using my dryer 6 hours a day 4 days a week (we aren't even CLOSE to those numbers yet) we are only at like $56 bucks a month.
Keep in mind that that same $56 bucks worth of Louisiana heat will cost $100 in California, or another expensive state or region.
That's a problem with Electric Car ads as well, They pick the cheapest rates for their claims. Thing is, Electric cars don't have the option of gas, wait a minute, yes they do, but I see very few natural gas cars today.
Or almost 5 times as much here in Japan.
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So the gas meter is outside of course and there is black iron pipe run up the wall and over the shop and its capped at the end. Is there gas in this pipe right now? Or would the gas company have to turn it on? I know stupid question but I don't know the answer nonetheless.
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Take a pic of the meter outside, particularly the valve then we can tell. I'm guessing if you don't have gas appliances running or no gas bill, then it is off.
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we went from an early 90's maxi-cure 60" with 10' of heat to a 48" MD-8 with 12' of heat. our electric bill dropped about $600 per month, our gas bill is right around $150-200..our gas company has a $75 fee every month for businesses, not for residential. so i pay that every month regardless.
the best part about gas is it doesn't cycle like an electric dryer. your heat will be consistent and hot...period. electric isn't as good at curing ink.
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I have a National Gas Dryer, it is probably 20ish years old. We run it all day long every day of the week. My gas bill runs around $170.00 per month
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I have an ancient National electric dryer, 36 in wide, 10 ft long (2x6x2) with three panels. With it on for 4-6 hours a day, 5 days a week, our electric is still under $100 a month, with all the lights, flash dryer, computer, etc. Granted, we have no central air or heat, and our shop is tiny. I can definitely see the savings if you have a much larger dryer and run it for a lot more hours.
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I would really be more interested in how much gas your dryers use on an average day per hour. The cost does not tell me much but the volume of gas would give me a better idea. As I have mentioned before here in Japan gas prices are 5 times higher then in the States still we pay around only $400/month for our natural gas.
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So I was thinking if I buy that gas meter I posted a link to earlier, would other people want to use it? Kinda like a forum members perk :D I had kind planned on getting it anyway eventually, but when I got to thinking it would be cool for other people to use it also and post what your dryer costs to run. Since we run it dryers at different temps, we would have to come up with a "test temp" to run it at for a little while so we would have data that could be compared. We would just post the year, make, model, and gas used. Could be a cool reference for people buying used dryers..... You could also determine exactly how much your dryer costs to run.
I wouldn't charge people to use it(if you want to throw me $5 or a I.O.U. a beer, to use it I wouldn't refuse the gesture) probably just provide your UPS account for shipping. Then ship it to the next person in line when you are done. Probably have a "you break you buy!" policy but that's about it. Could be a cool resource for all of us!
If people are interested either reply or PM me and we can go from there!
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So I was thinking if I buy that gas meter I posted a link to earlier, would other people want to use it? Kinda like a forum members perk :D I had kind planned on getting it anyway eventually, but when I got to thinking it would be cool for other people to use it also and post what your dryer costs to run. Since we run it dryers at different temps, we would have to come up with a "test temp" to run it at for a little while so we would have data that could be compared. We would just post the year, make, model, and gas used. Could be a cool reference for people buying used dryers..... You could also determine exactly how much your dryer costs to run.
I wouldn't charge people to use it(if you want to throw me $5 or a I.O.U. a beer, to use it I wouldn't refuse the gesture) probably just provide your UPS account for shipping. Then ship it to the next person in line when you are done. Probably have a "you break you buy!" policy but that's about it. Could be a cool resource for all of us!
If people are interested either reply or PM me and we can go from there!
M&R has been sending out a gas meter for years with various fittings and hose to show people how much gas they are really using. We even have one series of gas dryers that has a built in gas meter that shows the consumption live. Alan has one on his Sprint International here on this forum. Every dryer model we build is tested for actual consumption and proper burn mixture. Just a FYI.
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So I was thinking if I buy that gas meter I posted a link to earlier, would other people want to use it? Kinda like a forum members perk :D I had kind planned on getting it anyway eventually, but when I got to thinking it would be cool for other people to use it also and post what your dryer costs to run. Since we run it dryers at different temps, we would have to come up with a "test temp" to run it at for a little while so we would have data that could be compared. We would just post the year, make, model, and gas used. Could be a cool reference for people buying used dryers..... You could also determine exactly how much your dryer costs to run.
I wouldn't charge people to use it(if you want to throw me $5 or a I.O.U. a beer, to use it I wouldn't refuse the gesture) probably just provide your UPS account for shipping. Then ship it to the next person in line when you are done. Probably have a "you break you buy!" policy but that's about it. Could be a cool resource for all of us!
If people are interested either reply or PM me and we can go from there!
M&R has been sending out a gas meter for years with various fittings and hose to show people how much gas they are really using. We even have one series of gas dryers that has a built in gas meter that shows the consumption live. Alan has one on his Sprint International here on this forum. Every dryer model we build is tested for actual consumption and proper burn mixture. Just a FYI.
Well Rich your customer service just took a crap on my idea! :D
Side note for you sir, I haven't dismissed or forgot the dryer proposal you did up for me. I plan on deciding and pulling the trigger at or soon after Long Beach.
I say we still start a thread with how much your dryer costs to run. Rich just made it easier now!
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So I was thinking if I buy that gas meter I posted a link to earlier, would other people want to use it? Kinda like a forum members perk :D I had kind planned on getting it anyway eventually, but when I got to thinking it would be cool for other people to use it also and post what your dryer costs to run. Since we run it dryers at different temps, we would have to come up with a "test temp" to run it at for a little while so we would have data that could be compared. We would just post the year, make, model, and gas used. Could be a cool reference for people buying used dryers..... You could also determine exactly how much your dryer costs to run.
I wouldn't charge people to use it(if you want to throw me $5 or a I.O.U. a beer, to use it I wouldn't refuse the gesture) probably just provide your UPS account for shipping. Then ship it to the next person in line when you are done. Probably have a "you break you buy!" policy but that's about it. Could be a cool resource for all of us!
If people are interested either reply or PM me and we can go from there!
M&R has been sending out a gas meter for years with various fittings and hose to show people how much gas they are really using. We even have one series of gas dryers that has a built in gas meter that shows the consumption live. Alan has one on his Sprint International here on this forum. Every dryer model we build is tested for actual consumption and proper burn mixture. Just a FYI.
Well Rich your customer service just took a crap on my idea! :D
Side note for you sir, I haven't dismissed or forgot the dryer proposal you did up for me. I plan on deciding and pulling the trigger at or soon after Long Beach.
I say we still start a thread with how much your dryer costs to run. Rich just made it easier now!
See me in LB and I will take you completely through the dryer as well as show you the documented test we do on the dryers including across the belt and through the dryer temperature curves.
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So I was thinking if I buy that gas meter I posted a link to earlier, would other people want to use it? Kinda like a forum members perk :D I had kind planned on getting it anyway eventually, but when I got to thinking it would be cool for other people to use it also and post what your dryer costs to run. Since we run it dryers at different temps, we would have to come up with a "test temp" to run it at for a little while so we would have data that could be compared. We would just post the year, make, model, and gas used. Could be a cool reference for people buying used dryers..... You could also determine exactly how much your dryer costs to run.
I wouldn't charge people to use it(if you want to throw me $5 or a I.O.U. a beer, to use it I wouldn't refuse the gesture) probably just provide your UPS account for shipping. Then ship it to the next person in line when you are done. Probably have a "you break you buy!" policy but that's about it. Could be a cool resource for all of us!
If people are interested either reply or PM me and we can go from there!
M&R has been sending out a gas meter for years with various fittings and hose to show people how much gas they are really using. We even have one series of gas dryers that has a built in gas meter that shows the consumption live. Alan has one on his Sprint International here on this forum. Every dryer model we build is tested for actual consumption and proper burn mixture. Just a FYI.
Well Rich your customer service just took a crap on my idea! :D
Side note for you sir, I haven't dismissed or forgot the dryer proposal you did up for me. I plan on deciding and pulling the trigger at or soon after Long Beach.
I say we still start a thread with how much your dryer costs to run. Rich just made it easier now!
See me in LB and I will take you completely through the dryer as well as show you the documented test we do on the dryers including across the belt and through the dryer temperature curves.
Oh, you are going to be in Long Beach? I never seem to find the M&R booth there... ;D ;)
You are high on my to do list there.