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Artist => General Art Discussions => Topic started by: inkman996 on December 20, 2013, 09:25:29 AM
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I am really stumped right now. We are currently doing a big program for Boston University's ROTC.
Everything has been finalized four locations in total. One of the locations is the American Flag on the right sleeve. They approved so I went ahead and ordered 200 pre-printed flags from Transfer express. Today I get an email from the dusty saying one minor change the flag has to be backwards like it is on our uniforms. OK that sucks now we have all these flags and cannot use them.
I come from a military family I should know this but i do not. Why the hell is the flag backwards on the army's uniform?
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Just a guess but if it's on the right sleeve, it's probably backwards so it will be flying from front to back. Would probably be right-facing if it were on the left sleeve.
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tpitman is right, military uni's always fly the flag as if you are running forward, the flag would be blowing behind you.
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I felt a little dense last year when I asked on another forum I was told that the flag always leads into battle .
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Stars are always in the front
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I did notice our flag is also shown the same way EH! ;)
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I found out last year that it's "Stars to Heart"
So on the right sleeve the flag will look backwards.
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From my Marine son-in-law, It's representing running forward towards the enemy.
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Wow how silly I feel about this. I cannot wait till Christmas I will be spending it with my sister and my brother in law. He is an Army Brigadier General. Will pick his brains about this one.
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I just went through this about a month ago, and here's the deal: If the flag is on the left sleeve, the star field is in the upper left; if the flag is on the right sleeve, then the star field is in the upper right. The idea is that the flag is moving forward. If you were in a parade carrying a flag, the star field will be in the upper right from one side of the street, and the upper left from the other side of the street. If on a military car, the drivers side would have the field in the upper left, and on the passenger side, the upper right. Blew me away, I've been printing flags for about 1000 years... When I buy embroidered iron-on patches, you have to specify which ones you want, and you'd better be careful when you start applying them...
Steve
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Learned this a little bit ago too. Hard to find stock "Right" flags.
NFL uniforms have the Nike logo like this too!
First saw the swoosh backwards in a shoulder and said what??
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Went through the same thing a few months ago when we landed a bunch of work for the local army reserves. Made sense after a little wikipedia reading.
The swoosh being backward like that is stupid imo...
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stars face the heart ONLY for military, it does not apply to civilian attire....in fact it is frowned upon...
so we've been told....over and over again
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Learned this a little bit ago too. Hard to find stock "Right" flags.
NFL uniforms have the Nike logo like this too!
First saw the swoosh backwards in a shoulder and said what??
NFL logos on the helmets do this too
Steve
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stars face the heart ONLY for military, it does not apply to civilian attire....in fact it is frowned upon...
so we've been told....over and over again
Cops too, I think...
Steve
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This will always be a debatable issue but in general the rule of thumb is the star field is SUPPOSED to be to the viewers left.
If flown horizontal on right and left sleeves stars lead, stripes follow, if displayed vertically the star field is SUPPOSED to be upper left to the viewer.
Just to stir the pot some more ......the Colors are never flown at half mast on land only on a ship, flags on land are flown at half staff and only the President can officially call the Colors to half staff or mast.
All the flag info you might debate is here
http://www.flagkeepers.org/flag_rules0.aspx#Section_175:_ (http://www.flagkeepers.org/flag_rules0.aspx#Section_175:_)
mooseman
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The blue field of stars should always be in the highest position of honor. When viewing the flag on a wall, the highest position of honor is the upper left when displayed horizontally, and at the top (upper left) when displayed vertically. When displayed on a "moving object" like a person or vehicle, the highest position of honor is the front, and not the rear; so the field of blue should be displayed to the front.
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I alway think its sad that we don't know how to display the symbol of our freedom and that people have to debate how to display it. The rules gave never changed.
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I alway think its sad that we don't know how to display the symbol of our freedom and that people have to debate how to display it. The rules gave never changed.
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Sweets, As I'm sure you're aware, (it's not that common) for non military know all of the in's and out's of flying the flag in various situations (as the Military does). We know the basics and many of us, only half of that. I'll add, that these additional (inside additional military use) details were not mentioned here http://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/RL30243.pdf (http://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/RL30243.pdf)
Did you know for example, that it is technically not allowed to be in, on or (as) apparel/textiles, See #9, RESPECT FOR THE FLAG item d & g. I don't think that means you can't (print the flag) on apparel), but rather it's stating that it's in poor taste and "technically, they could, but will not prosecute.
There are different sets of regulations (for different situations). Noted here, are regulations (specifically) for civilians.
http://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/RL30243.pdf (http://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/RL30243.pdf)
See here for a little more on that. http://www.senate.gov/CRSReports/crs-publish.cfm?pid='0E%2C (http://www.senate.gov/CRSReports/crs-publish.cfm?pid='0E%2C)*PLS%3F%22%20%20%20%0A
Use of the Flag in Jewelry, Commercial Products, Wearing Apparel,
and Advertising
The Flag Code addresses the impropriety of using the flag as an article of personal adornment, a
design on items of temporary use, and item of clothing.49 The evident purpose of these suggested
restraints is to limit the commercial or common usage of the flag and, thus, maintain its dignity.
The 1976 amendments to the Code recognized the wearing of a flag patch or pin on the left side
(near the heart) of uniforms of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic
organizations.50 The Code also states that the flag should never be used for advertising purposes
in any manner whatsoever.51
While wearing the colors may be in poor taste and offensive to many, it is important to remember
that the Flag Code is intended as a guide to be followed on a purely voluntary basis to insure
proper respect for the flag. It is, at least, questionable whether statutes placing civil or criminal
penalties on the wearing of clothing bearing or resembling a flag could be constitutionally
enforced in light of Supreme Court decisions in the area of flag desecration.52
In the past, the Supreme Court has held that states may restrict use of pictures of the flag on
commercial products.53 There is a federal criminal prohibition on the use of the flag for
advertising purposes in the District of Columbia.
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When I was in school we had a history teacher that spent several days educating us on what to do and not to do. It all is about respect and holding it in the highest Esteem. Thinking about it I guess most people would not know unless they looked into it. I guess I should say I find it sad that we all are not taught this in school.
Roger
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Agreed. I don't know if they (public schools) all went into the detail as to how the military allows (the military) to use it tho. I only say that considering how the USGOV site doesn't even go into those details. I'd guess you have to be someone who deals with them directly like we do and even then, as you see, we have to ask around.
Who'd of thunk we can't really print the flag on tees...with other elements on it. I did one recently for a printer that gave em the direction with specifics. Wanted some art splashed right smack dab in the center of the flag (used as a background) and he has about 4 other designs very similar. Flags as background on tee designs is pretty common.
I did complete a design of two flags (one Israel) and other the US flag. He was aware that we needed to put the US flag slightly higher and larger than the other flag even tho they were juxtaposed and the staff needed to be on top.
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If you guys want you can use our Canadian flag. Being symmetrical, It looks good coming and going! ;D
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If you want to know, you go to the people who know; ie: military personnel and vets, not some government website...
Steve
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If you want to know, you go to the people who know; ie: military personnel and vets, not some government website...
Steve
You mean, We shouldn't go to our Gov to get the right answers? What the dicken's you say?
I think (as it pertains) to the Military, yes, go to the source. For general every day use, the common thing (for common folk) would be to go to the Gov. site for Flag Flying info.
Same thing for Copy right laws I guess. We have the Gov website for copy right answers and then we can go to your Lawyer to have him/her tell us what we can and can't do or, (get a way with). ;)
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If you guys want you can use our Canadian flag. Being symmetrical, It looks good coming and going! ;D
That is debatable...just puts me in the mood for syrup.
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If you guys want you can use our Canadian flag. Being symmetrical, It looks good coming and going! ;D
That is debatable...just puts me in the mood for syrup.
Ya gotta love their hospitality... eh?
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When I was in school we had a history teacher that spent several days educating us on what to do and not to do. It all is about respect and holding it in the highest Esteem. Thinking about it I guess most people would not know unless they looked into it. I guess I should say I find it sad that we all are not taught this in school.
Roger
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Sadly i cannot remember everything I was taught in school. If it was lessons on things that I needed to know later in life or throughout my life then its easier to remember those things. For instance I cannot recall very much of flag etiquette but I do know the important common ones. Ones that I have seen or heard through out my life. I know that the proper disposal of a flag should be done by a Vet and folded and burned. When i worked at a cemetery we picked up the old and shredded flags from the graves 3 times a year. We then delivered them to the local American where they properly disposed of them.
I also know the flag flying upside down generally means distress. I also know the flag should not be flown in bad weather.
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If you guys want you can use our Canadian flag. Being symmetrical, It looks good coming and going! ;D
That is debatable...just puts me in the mood for syrup.
Syrup is East coast, Out here on the West Coast we have Salmon and good Pot. Both smoke up nicely and make great Christmas gifts from what I hear.
... Not a fan of Maple myself, except on my pancakes.
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On the East Coast we have Salmon, good weed, and syrup. Not that I would put syrup on Salmon, unless of course the weed is really, really good...
Steve
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Actually, Candied Salmon is to die for, also known as Indian Candy. Maple syrup, brown sugar, salt and into the smoker........
Of course a little weed before, during or after doesn't hurt either... Or so I've heard.
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Actually, Candied Salmon is to die for, also known as Indian Candy. Maple syrup, brown sugar, salt and into the smoker........
Of course a little weed before, during or after doesn't hurt either... Or so I've heard.
That just made my mouth water...
Steve