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Artist => General Art Discussions => Topic started by: Rocfrog on December 23, 2013, 02:03:06 PM
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Wondering what people are using/doing? We currently send the customer an email with the proof attached and the wait for them to replay and if they don't we send out another email, as long as we remember.....
So we are looking at an "on-line" proofing so we can some what "automate" it as far as reminders and follow-ups go. I've found these two, there was a third but I can't remember what it was but if I remember right it worked with one of the major T-Shirt softwares.
http://www.proofhq.com/ (http://www.proofhq.com/)
http://www.inmotionnow.com/creative_workflow_automation/online_proofing/ (http://www.inmotionnow.com/creative_workflow_automation/online_proofing/)
Nick
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so no one does proofing....or has any suggestions on the proofing process.....???
Nick
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I'd never seen those online services before, interesting.
I never move forward on anything without client approval. When you send your emails, make sure that it states in the message or on the art itself, that the job is on HOLD until the client replies. That alone can convey a sense of urgency and speed the process along. Also state that changes made post-approval are subject to extra charges.
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Never used a online proofing system. We just email proofs.
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We create a mock up with placement, garment type, garment color (using pics of the garment when necessary - a vector representation otherwise), also ink type (waterbase, discharge, plastsisol), ink color (pms, spot, foil, etc) etc..... We also have a section that just shows the artwork against the garment color background with sizing and location.
We then save as a pdf, email to our customer, and they email back with adjustments or an approval.
We have had issues only a couple times when the customer has no understanding of what pms colors are, that monitors do not display color the same from computer to computer, etc..... standard stuff. Our staff and owners do an amazing job of walking our customers through the process and explaining garment decorating to them.
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Currently using T-Boss. We load up .jpeg proofs with a pretty realistic mockup of the art on the shirt, print colors/ink types and image size. You click a button below the invoice and each mocks in a web link to approve. It needs work overall as a system but the core concept is there and that's the most important thing.
Proof HQ looks sweet, little spendy maybe.
I'm a big advocate of doing anything, I mean anything, that standardizes this process. Since we implemented online invoice and mockup approvals we have eliminated so many issues with clients missing a date change, etc. The act of clicking that radio button really changes the atmosphere when it comes to accountability.
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We currently build a complete proof with mock up for placement with info box with size and color info and then a top bar with all the details of the job like po# order number quantity and so on. And at the bottom is the huge disclaimer about art work and the proof/print process. So we have all that covered, we are just looking for a way to stream line it and a way to back us up vs digging thru tons of emails to make sure we either sent the proof or the person replied to the proof.
Nick
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We do the same thing as Nick. We just hired someone who does more or less this from 10am until noon everyday.
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There has been talk of hiring another person to help in the office, but I think the owners would still like to move into an online proofing system. Might just have to "jump" into one and try it since they don't seem to be a popular option.....
Nick
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Checked out a few online proofing services and most send your client an email with a link to what ever you uploaded. To me it just seems like an additional step as well as added cost in the whole process.
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If I have done artr before I do the job.. watermark a jpeg and send it for approval.. if approved system is pretty easy.. put cost in my paypal account and I send vector.. In the jpeg message I mention things like check spelling, check colors, check everything you want to check as long as you pay me.. If there ever is a problem (has happened) I hang in there until it is printed.. Have taken on lot of corrections, not my problem, for free just to keep building customer base.. But I am not printing 500 shirts.. just doing the art..
dlac
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After we send a proof, nothing goes forward without a reply. They are reviewed daily, if not more often...
Steve
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After all that, consider an in house approval procdure. I have everything signed off with two written signatures and all docs kept on file.
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In house is def something to keep in mind, great point as usual Tony. I approve everything before running, we toss it on a mannequin and check v. the mockups. We'll keep repeat samples on file after that. Gets tedious some days doing approvals and seems redundant or unnecessary when you have a good lead printer but it's worth it. One major goof is all it takes. It also keeps you in touch with how jobs are running, what could be improved, etc.
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We have an "in-house" proofing system and that seems to work very well, (when Used)....But we are looking at this online proofing to make the customer more responsible for their stuff vs them putting it on us for not sending the email or what have you.
I have been playing with ProofStuff today and it is the one we looked into a few months back, it's integrated with Shopworks, but we don't use that program but they offer ProofStuff as a stand alone....
Nick
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I suppose my point is that the customer is not always right. Sooner or later most will find that an "approved" j-peg is flawed in some manner and that often, when that happens, the customer will want you (the proffessional) to assume some liability. Therefore we have the duplicate approval in house including art, sales, and production. It has saved our butts on more than one occaision and, once in a while, gives us a little extra creditability with a customer when we point out that they missed something.
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The funny thing about proofing... no matter how professional and business-like you try to handle your proofing, the vast array of clients will test your system. Some will be easy, some will be difficult, some will not understand what they need to do next??, some will simply be oblivious. The relationship you build with a client will always come into play. That's why no matter how advanced technology is, people will always just be people, all shapes, sizes and flavors. Follow up on proofs always. Cultivate your client relationships always. Be proactive always. ------ happy proofing y'all!
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We started using www.proofstuff.com (http://www.proofstuff.com) and while most of our clients have figured it out some are still struggling. Mainly because it sends the proof from a program so most email systems see it as junk/spam so we are just giving them all a heads up in the beginning, but so far we like it.
Nick