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screen printing => Equipment => Topic started by: Frog on August 02, 2011, 09:48:04 AM
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Especially you guys with autos, how do you deal with placket shirts?
On a manual press, I use a board with a cutout in the center top, and a small squeegee.
Do you have a special board? Do you use a cut down squeegee? Do you reinforce the screen with tape at wear points?
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...most of the time a placket shirt is going to let a left-chest design. I have a set of sleeve pallets, so what i do is burn the image in the center of the screen, put the sleeve pallets on the press and load the shirt so the placket is off of the right hand side of the board. If the print size is causing problems, I also have a set of 8" boards in which case I will just burn the image about 2" from the right hand side of the board, and load the wearer's left edge of the placket to the right hand side of the board, so again the placket hangs off.
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Sleeve pallets or a buildup.
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Sleeve pallets.
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I use the same buildup I use to print over a pocket.
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Sleeve pallet
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Sleeve palette.
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Regular pallet with a cut squeegee to ride over the buttons. I don't change boards unless I really have to .
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Especially you guys with autos, how do you deal with placket shirts?
On a manual press, I use a board with a cutout in the center top, and a small squeegee.
Do you have a special board? Do you use a cut down squeegee? Do you reinforce the screen with tape at wear points?
I have 24 pieces of pallet rubber cut to spec that we keep especially for this. One piece on each side of placket; lightly tacked. Off contact raised.
tp
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There are multiple solutions available to this challenge. If the print is only a left chest than it's as easy as just using the approach referenced first by Inkman. The challenge with this approach is lining the garment up consistently.
Special Pallets are available to allow the button hem assembly to drop below the print surface and can be made to allow a print over these areas. A Split Squeegee is a useful approach but doesn't address the mesh and button interference. Often we hear from people that want to simply make a squeegee with an off-center blade to just print over the left chest. This is not a good plan on an automatic because it put's torque force on the arms and heads which will always lead to mechanical issues.
The best solution is to either add something to the pallet surface as Mr. Pepitone suggested or use a special pallet with this already done. The special pallet is the most efficient and functional - but not the least expensive solution.
http://www.actionengineering.com/Cat-24-1-520/Placket_Printing_Pallet.htm (http://www.actionengineering.com/Cat-24-1-520/Placket_Printing_Pallet.htm)
Another solution is to use a much softer rubber that the button hem assembly can be pushed into. We have such a material. It's called Super Soft Top Rubber and is available as pre-cut sizes that are easily put on and off existing pallets. The material can also be ordered by the linear foot.
http://www.actionengineering.com/Cat-187-1-1090/Super_Soft_Top_Rubber.htm (http://www.actionengineering.com/Cat-187-1-1090/Super_Soft_Top_Rubber.htm)
Erik Naftal
www.actionengineering.com (http://www.actionengineering.com)
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There are multiple solutions available to this challenge. If the print is only a left chest than it's as easy as just using the approach referenced first by Inkman. The challenge with this approach is lining the garment up consistently.
Actually, doesn't that honor go to MrTees!! in the very first response?
Thanks Erik
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I've found lining up left chests on a sleeve pallet to be really easy and accurate.
For both polo's and zips, you've got a line to square from.
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...yeah, dont go stealin my thunder!!! ;)
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There are multiple solutions available to this challenge. If the print is only a left chest than it's as easy as just using the approach referenced first by Inkman. The challenge with this approach is lining the garment up consistently.
Actually, doesn't that honor go to MrTees!! in the very first response?
Thanks Erik
I see that you are correct. MrTees mentioned this first.
We haven't posted very often and will make a better effort to read more carefully before replying.
I am especially thankful that these forums have been developed which have more control over postings than others. Watching the greatest leaders of our industry get publicly trashed for someones personal gain has kept us from participating much. For fear of being dragged into the mud, we have restrained ourselves from public comment. Please know that our silence has been difficult. We don't wish to stir the pot with these comments, but want to clear the air as to our companies principles. Thanks again to everyone responsible for developing and moderating these forums.
Erik Naftal
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...no worries Erik, just givin ya a hard time!
...I was talkin to a buudy here in town that owns another printshop. We got into the discussion about how your website is the screenprinters equivalent of getting the Sears Christmas catalog when we were kids! Yknow, we just look at it all and drool, and put all the cool stuff on our little wish lists. Its like screenprinters porn.
...we are a sick bunch, arent we??
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Well, Erik, I didn't mean to be too critical, I just wanted credit where credit was due. ;D
I did find it interesting that so many used sleeve boards as I have always had built-up, or cut-out boards.
Also, my sleeve boards are a mite narrow for some left chest prints.
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...no worries Erik, just givin ya a hard time!
...I was talkin to a buudy here in town that owns another printshop. We got into the discussion about how your website is the screenprinters equivalent of getting the Sears Christmas catalog when we were kids! Yknow, we just look at it all and drool, and put all the cool stuff on our little wish lists. Its like screenprinters porn.
...we are a sick bunch, arent we??
screenprintersporn....Very funny Mrtrees. We are a sick bunch - :P
Thank you sincerely for your positive comments. We are continuing every day to identify challenging areas in the screen printing process that we can work to simplify.
I also remember the Sears Wish Book - those were fine days indeed. The very back of the book was toys and the middle section was all the stereo equipment. By the time I was 12 - I was in the middle of the book looking for new ways to blast Physical Graffiti & Hemisphere's. I still have my original Pioneer SX780 receiver from 1978 that came from there I think.
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There are multiple solutions available to this challenge. If the print is only a left chest than it's as easy as just using the approach referenced first by Inkman. The challenge with this approach is lining the garment up consistently.
Actually, doesn't that honor go to MrTees!! in the very first response?
Thanks Erik
I see that you are correct. MrTees mentioned this first.
We haven't posted very often and will make a better effort to read more carefully before replying.
I am especially thankful that these forums have been developed which have more control over postings than others. Watching the greatest leaders of our industry get publicly trashed for someones personal gain has kept us from participating much. For fear of being dragged into the mud, we have restrained ourselves from public comment. Please know that our silence has been difficult. We don't wish to stir the pot with these comments, but want to clear the air as to our companies principles. Thanks again to everyone responsible for developing and moderating these forums.
Erik Naftal
Erik,
It is great to see you here and posting. Please do not take the ribbing seriously as it is obvious that Mt Tees! and Frog were just messing with you. (That is actually a good thing as one generally has to be accepted before he/she can be picked on.)
So please do not be silent and join the fun. We promise to pick on you (as much as we pick on everybody else) and hope you return the favor.
Oh, a helpful/educational post every now and then would not hurt either!
pierre
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I also remember the Sears Wish Book - those were fine days indeed. The very back of the book was toys and the middle section was all the stereo equipment. By the time I was 12 - I was in the middle of the book looking for new ways to blast Physical Graffiti & Hemisphere's. I still have my original Pioneer SX780 receiver from 1978 that came from there I think.
Erik, just a typical Frog style tangent here, I also have some old equipment, but Steve Roginski, of Quick Seps fame is a true audiophile and collector, especially fond of big Japanese rigs like yours.
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Getting back to the original topic - & in an effort to provide helpful content - The current placket pallet design was initially developed to enable printing over the entire face of the placket. The collars are reversed after loading to fall off the front edge of the pallet. There's a slot through the entire pallet that's 7 inches deep and 2 inches wide. The bracket is almost the entire length of the pallet and therefore provides a backing to the hem assembly. The slot in the middle can e built up because of he brackets presence to ensure an excellent transition over the button hem assembly. Putting the 1/4" neoprene rubber into the center slot provides just the right combination of recess and give. These were designed for doing work like - OP shirts of the 90's. We have also made - and will add to the website soon - placket pallets with a single wing to do shoulder wraps on placket shirts.
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Like Tonypep, but we just use hardboard, very cheap to make and usually just put it on one side of the pallet then we adjust the squeegee stop on the other side to keep the pressure on the squeegee even.
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we have a simple 6 inch x 8 inch piece of lexan with pallet rubber glued on.
We coat the bottom with water based tac and treat the top rubber with the same and simply stick them onto the standard pallets. We compensate for the extra height by adding a 1/4 inch shim in the clamp to kick the screen up a bit to keep everything working as usual off contact wise.
we have also made up similar items out of 4 x8 sheets of the white dry erase boards Lowes @ $18.00 ea sheet) when we print on raglan sleeve jerseys. The boards are designed to allow the sleeve seans to drop off the edge of the board which is about 1/8 in thick.
We coat the pressboard back with pallet tac and simply stick them onto the standard pallets.
Let me know if anyone wants to see pics.
mooseman