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screen printing => Waterbase and Discharge => Topic started by: 59Graphix on January 23, 2014, 12:35:03 AM
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Been busy so I haven't been on the forums lately but I did get a chance to go to the ISS show in LB. I saw a water base ink called Virus, made in Italy. Anyone see this at the show ? Any thoughts? I have a sample print, maybe I will take a picture of it and post it.
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Been busy so I haven't been on the forums lately but I did get a chance to go to the ISS show in LB. I saw a water base ink called Virus, made in Italy. Anyone see this at the show ? Any thoughts? I have a sample print, maybe I will take a picture of it and post it.
The VIRUS inks and the print techniques on display in their booth were developed by a company named Quaglia out of Italy. They specialize in non-pvc ink solutions and offer a wide range of high solids water-base and some polyurethane based ink solutions. The products are good, although a little higher priced than competitive offerings and they are yet to set up a complete US distribution model. With that said I thought that their booth had some of the most incredible prints on display at the Long Beach Show and they have raised the bar on how an ink company needs to display their products at future shows.
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I talked with them for a long while. Sounds like there may be 2 distributors in the US lined up. One up here in the Midwest and one in California(imagine that). I do have the contact info for a distributor out of Mexico if you would like that, just PM me.
Their adhesive for foil I have used, it is AMAZING! If their inks are anything like their adhesive US companies better watch out!
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Their inks are in use here in the Portland area by the largest printer in the northwest. They do a Ton of Nike printing and use the Virus exclusively for that. I understand that they are also a distributor for Virus.
And yea, those prints were jaw dropping.
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Their inks are in use here in the Portland area by the largest printer in the northwest. They do a Ton of Nike printing and use the Virus exclusively for that. I understand that they are also a distributor for Virus.
And yea, those prints were jaw dropping.
I had inquired about that with the saleswoman at the booth. She said more or less that didn't work out as planned or it fell through somehow. She didn't go into much detail but did mention we may soon have two other options. But if the place in Portland you speak of sells it I'll call them, seems a bit closer than Mexico.... ;D Do you have their contact info, or is it something you might be able to PM me?
Side note, it was nice to meet you for the brief second we had. I assume you were talking inks with Bobby? I can't for the life of me remember why I was in such a rush, it would of been nice to talk for a minute!
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We checked . Not satisfied. Very thin.
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Yep, talking inks with Bobby.
Great guy, very personable and he realllly knows his waterbase which is awesome since that's the area I feel I still need to learn more about!
The company is http://www.latitudespdx.com/ (http://www.latitudespdx.com/)
I'm looking for more info about them being a distributor.... I had it word of mouth that they were also distributing the ink. I guess giving them a call and asking is the next step.
We are looking into the High Solids WB systems that are on the market, Rutland, Wilfex, and the one Bobby is selling through Ryonet, the Green Galaxy stuff (I forgot it's name).
You had to take off for Pierre's class if I remember right, which is why we didn't chat longer :)
Wish I had more time last weekend, I didn't get to hang out with half the people I wanted to!
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that website makes me want to break my monitor...autoplay music on a flash based site...what is this 1999?
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I have an update:
Apparently Lattitudes is no longer bringing in the Virus inks. So I do not know who would have it in the U.S.
I also left out Magna who has a High Solids line as well. I definitely would be interested in seeing how that one flows on press.
The inks are all a bit different..... but similar.
Lets go play shall we?
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colin are u still in qcm? Why u left out magna?
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Nope, I am no longer at QCM. Is this Aslam? (forgive me if I am misspelling your name)
When Rutland purchased them I was laid off and not hired by Rutland. Actually, Rutland only hired one person from QCM, and that was an upfront lady who interfaced with our distributors when they called in. She was only with Rutland for about a year.
Why did I leave out Magna? I actually was not aware that they offered a high solids line of inks.
There is sooooo much I want to learn now!
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Thanks for all the feedback on these inks. Is there a favorite among any of these or another brand? We don't do a lot of water base but if I can find one that is a little more user friendly I would like to use them more often. Same with discharge.
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colin iam not aslam. He is my cousin . Actually i know you through screenprinter.net fourms. Why qcm quanlity down day by day ? . In magna only discharge is better otherwise matsui and cci are best in water base.
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Got a update today, sounds like a deal with a Virus dealer in the Midwest is closer to happening! There is also talk of another dealer bringing in Minerva, another ink company out of Italy....
http://www.achitexminerva.com/en (http://www.achitexminerva.com/en)
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Discharge technology started in Italy. Some may remember Manoukian
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discharge started by italy but end by magna .
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Actually, allthough we all have our preferences, the bases and activators are so similar we can switch them out with no difference in performance and no shift in color formulation. The weaker pigments are less expensive but require more volume, the stronger more expensive however more concentrated.
So Rutand, Matsui, CCI, Magna, etc all work fairly close to equally well. I've used them all. Some have a dizzying amount of additives. Water is all we use. And the blue shade Rutland is out performing all others after side by side scientifc testing
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Tony have you noticed any difference in pigment drying between the concentrated and non-concentrated pigments?
All we've ever used is Rutland...
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Discharge technology started in Italy. Some may remember Manoukian
on Belton shirts as I remember...
Steve
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I've noticed that the less concentrated CCI has zero pig drying issues, except for the CMS white which should be called "Pigment Chunk Additive" use up to 10% to ruin your day and your print run.
We still have not dug into the Rutland WB sample pig set that R.C. sent out to us, looking forward to that. We've only run a single gallon of Rutland wb ink mixed with their more concentrated pigs and there was a yellow chunk issue on that run. Not really bad but it was there and that's bad enough.
We're ultimately going to go with the system that has superior pigs that work across the widest variety of bases. One pigment set for: WB, DC, HSA...if someone tossed in a flat finish flatstock base that could be used with the same system I'd do backflips.
It's nice to see so many options nowadays.
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except for the CMS white which should be called "Pigment Chunk Additive"
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Oh that IS the truth!!!
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[quote author=ZooCity link=topic=10680.msg102794#msg102794 date=1390601214
We're ultimately going to go with the system that has superior pigs that work across the widest variety of bases. One pigment set for: WB, DC, HSA...if someone tossed in a flat finish flatstock base that could be used with the same system I'd do backflips.
It's nice to see so many options nowadays.
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Since ZooCity mentioned "Flat finish", does most water base print with a flat finish or is does it depend on screen mesh and additives like plastisol? (Sorry, kind of off topic)
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We're ultimately going to go with the system that has superior pigs that work across the widest variety of bases. One pigment set for: WB, DC, HSA...if someone tossed in a flat finish flatstock base that could be used with the same system I'd do backflips.
It's nice to see so many options nowadays.
I would love this. The matsui 301 and dc work fine for us, but the pigments are sticky/dry easily and it simply isnt ideal for paper which we print a lot of...
Anyone have a suggestion?
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Got a update today, sounds like a deal with a Virus dealer in the Midwest is closer to happening! There is also talk of another dealer bringing in Minerva, another ink company out of Italy....
[url]http://www.achitexminerva.com/en[/url] ([url]http://www.achitexminerva.com/en[/url])
Minerva also make the Green Galaxy ink that Ryonet are selling
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We're ultimately going to go with the system that has superior pigs that work across the widest variety of bases. One pigment set for: WB, DC, HSA...if someone tossed in a flat finish flatstock base that could be used with the same system I'd do backflips.
It's nice to see so many options nowadays.
I would love this. The matsui 301 and dc work fine for us, but the pigments are sticky/dry easily and it simply isnt ideal for paper which we print a lot of...
Anyone have a suggestion?
I don't know about paper, but for T's the CCI has way out performed the Matsui we used to use.
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Nope, I am no longer at QCM. Is this Aslam? (forgive me if I am misspelling your name)
When Rutland purchased them I was laid off and not hired by Rutland. Actually, Rutland only hired one person from QCM, and that was an upfront lady who interfaced with our distributors when they called in. She was only with Rutland for about a year.
Why did I leave out Magna? I actually was not aware that they offered a high solids line of inks.
There is sooooo much I want to learn now!
Colin: Thanks for all of the high value information that you post and support that you provide on TSB. It's great to have someone with your application experience and Technical Background on the boards. If you do want to learn more about the Magna High Solids Water-base inks I'd recommend that you reach out to Rob Coleman Nazdar SourceOne Market Segment Manager at rcoleman@nazdar.com. I've attached a copy of a print that was produced using the Magna HS WB inks this week in Mexico City, MX. I know that I'm biased but IMHO, the MagnaColours inks are the "real-deal" and a represent an excellent PVC free ink alternative.
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Is Magna based out of Europe as well? I could of swore they were.
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Magna discharge is better but other products crap. Matsui water based products are better than magna.
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Is Magna based out of Europe as well? I could of swore they were.
MagnaColours is a UK based company located in Barnsley, Central England close to Sheffield, and Manchester. They have distribution in all major markets and are represented by Nazdar SourceOne in the United States, Mexico, and Central America. The attached image is another print that was produced this week in Mexico with Magna AB AW discharge inks.
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Nope, I am no longer at QCM. Is this Aslam? (forgive me if I am misspelling your name)
When Rutland purchased them I was laid off and not hired by Rutland. Actually, Rutland only hired one person from QCM, and that was an upfront lady who interfaced with our distributors when they called in. She was only with Rutland for about a year.
Why did I leave out Magna? I actually was not aware that they offered a high solids line of inks.
There is sooooo much I want to learn now!
Colin: Thanks for all of the high value information that you post and support that you provide on TSB. It's great to have someone with your application experience and Technical Background on the boards. If you do want to learn more about the Magna High Solids Water-base inks I'd recommend that you reach out to Rob Coleman Nazdar SourceOne Market Segment Manager at rcoleman@nazdar.com. I've attached a copy of a print that was produced using the Magna HS WB inks this week in Mexico City, MX. I know that I'm biased but IMHO, the MagnaColours inks are the "real-deal" and a represent an excellent PVC free ink alternative.
Thank you for the kind words Peter!
I have chatted with Rob a bit since my last post and I have received some excellent information on the Magna inks. Our next step is getting in some samples to play with. The single downside to pursuing Magna right now is the 2-3 day shipping from L.A. to the Portland area. I still really want to give it a solid shot, but the shipping costs and time delay will be a difficult sell to the owner. The inks will have to clearly be better and friendlier than everything else we try.
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Got a update today, sounds like a deal with a Virus dealer in the Midwest is closer to happening! There is also talk of another dealer bringing in Minerva, another ink company out of Italy....
[url]http://www.achitexminerva.com/en[/url] ([url]http://www.achitexminerva.com/en[/url])
I'm not really laughing AT anyone but rather...well, I got a chuckle out of reading that site and I'm not quite sure why. Lots of stuff lost is translation. Being a pompous American I always assume even not so large corporations in other countries have employees that speak English very well and would put that part of the website together, but I am reminded often that it is not the case. I couldn't imagine if we had to have a section of our website in multiply languages, I'm sure it would be even more comical.
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Got a update today, sounds like a deal with a Virus dealer in the Midwest is closer to happening! There is also talk of another dealer bringing in Minerva, another ink company out of Italy....
[url]http://www.achitexminerva.com/en[/url] ([url]http://www.achitexminerva.com/en[/url])
I'm not really laughing AT anyone but rather...well, I got a chuckle out of reading that site and I'm not quite sure why. Lots of stuff lost is translation. Being a pompous American I always assume even not so large corporations in other countries have employees that speak English very well and would put that part of the website together, but I am reminded often that it is not the case. I couldn't imagine if we had to have a section of our website in multiply languages, I'm sure it would be even more comical.
I can assure you that many folks in foreign countries, either get a chuckle or sadly shake their heads when reading the "English" some of us use on our websites.