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screen printing => Waterbase and Discharge => Topic started by: Denis Kolar on February 03, 2014, 11:28:07 AM
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I saw the ad from SourceOne on the forum banner and thought about trying it.
Wondering because it is Formaldehyde free, does it still have that rotten egg smell?
I'm home based and that smell is a game changer, if it is a smell free, or at least very low smell, I would love to try it.
Something like this would help me a bit with underbasing or printing on darker colors.
TIA
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FYI -- the activator can't be shipped via most normal methods, so you'd most likely need to close by one of their distribution centers so you could will-call it.
also, I understand that it can spontaneously combust in the presence of moisture?
we'd love to try it sooner or later as you don't need to be quite so careful with the customers washing before first wearing.
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I guess I'm sticking with Plastisol :)
Thanks Jvanick
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You might want to give the Magna ULF a try. It really has no rotten egg smell at all. There is a an odor when you are right up over the screen, but it is a different smell, reminds me of the way my car polish smells in the can. As a garage printer I could never get away with a ZFS based discharge. The colors a bright and the wash fastness has been good. My lower color count prints have gone great. I'm still working on printing 8 colors through 230 mesh on my manual without having ink dry in on fine details. Hoping the retardant and my brand new humidifier make that work for me. Maybe I'm just too slow... :)
Yes, The activator won't be accepted by UPS or FedEx regardless of whether or not it will fly. Regular truck shipping is it. Not a big deal if you are ordering enough from Source One, but kind of a pain if you want to test the Magna inks with their pigment sample pack.
The activator M is labeled as a hazardous substance. The msds lists heat as the one major component to avoid. The possibility of spontaneous exothermic decomposition is not an issue unless the activator is exposed to temperatures at or above 123 deg c or 253.4 deg Farenheit. That is certainly not an issue under normal storage conditions. While you might want to keep the activator dry, that is not listed as a factor and I regularly add water to my ink and activator mix.
If you want to print discharge in a garage or other sensitive setting the ULF is a great option.
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I saw the ad from SourceOne on the forum banner and thought about trying it.
Wondering because it is Formaldehyde free, does it still have that rotten egg smell?
I'm home based and that smell is a game changer, if it is a smell free, or at least very low smell, I would love to try it.
Something like this would help me a bit with underbasing or printing on darker colors.
TIA
Take a look at the information sheet that is on the site with the promo - https://www.sourceoneonline.com/images/2014Promo/Plascharge-Info-Flyer.pdf
The ZFS activator in any discharge system is what gives the "rotten egg" smell. The NF activator as mentioned has shipping restrictions. You can use either of the following with Plascharge:
Magna Activator M (MCG941K2) – using this will maintain the formaldehyde-free properties of Plascharge. However, shipping restrictions limit many printers from cost effectively obtaining the product. (MagnaColours holds a global patent in this technology – no other discharge products in the market are formaldehyde-free.)
If you do not require formaldehyde-free, Magna Activator AB (MCWX198K1) or any brand ZFS activator can be used with no shipping restrictions.
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Thanks Rob.
I'll have to check if someone has it locally.
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Thanks Rob.
I'll have to check if someone has it locally.
I have some, more than welcome to it!
pierre
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Thanks Rob.
I'll have to check if someone has it locally.
I have some, more than welcome to it!
pierre
Thanks Pierre
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I saw the ad from SourceOne on the forum banner and thought about trying it.
Wondering because it is Formaldehyde free, does it still have that rotten egg smell?
I'm home based and that smell is a game changer, if it is a smell free, or at least very low smell, I would love to try it.
Something like this would help me a bit with underbasing or printing on darker colors.
TIA
Take a look at the information sheet that is on the site with the promo - https://www.sourceoneonline.com/images/2014Promo/Plascharge-Info-Flyer.pdf (https://www.sourceoneonline.com/images/2014Promo/Plascharge-Info-Flyer.pdf)
The ZFS activator in any discharge system is what gives the "rotten egg" smell. The NF activator as mentioned has shipping restrictions. You can use either of the following with Plascharge:
Magna Activator M (MCG941K2) – using this will maintain the formaldehyde-free properties of Plascharge. However, shipping restrictions limit many printers from cost effectively obtaining the product. (MagnaColours holds a global patent in this technology – no other discharge products in the market are formaldehyde-free.)
If you do not require formaldehyde-free, Magna Activator AB (MCWX198K1) or any brand ZFS activator can be used with no shipping restrictions.
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Do both activators have the same curing characteristics and/or requirements?
I find that in the past, my projects using Wilflex Plascharge with the NF were successful with less dryer than suggested that I would need for true waterbase and discharge inks.
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Do both activators have the same curing characteristics and/or requirements?
I find that in the past, my projects using Wilflex Plascharge with the NF were successful with less dryer than suggested that I would need for true waterbase and discharge inks.
The short answer is yes. The recommendations for cure are the same. You now manufacturers generally err on the side of conservative, right? :)
Ultimately, wash fastness needs to be checked by the user. Discharge inks will discharge prior to full "cure" (water evacuation). Jsut slide a platen under a flash to witness this.
You will find that the NF Activator (Activator M) is not readily soluble in water, and thus takes a little more effort to stir in homogeneously than a ZFS (Activator AB).
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I give the ULF with Activator M the frappe treatment with my drill and a large wide spade bit (ground off tip) after I hand stir. Nice to keep that activator powder out of the air and my lungs...
Maybe Mr. Coleman can comment regarding the effectiveness of the Magna Crosslinker. Will it compensate for a less than ideal cure? I have not had any wash issues yet, but will add a little Crosslinker as I go with a higher percentage of retarder. It will be wash tested for sure!
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I finally remembered to check what I have in house.
I have AB AW system that i tried and did not like the smell (With AB activator).
Can that be used with a M activator or does M activator exclusively works with an ULF system?
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I saw the ad from SourceOne on the forum banner and thought about trying it.
Wondering because it is Formaldehyde free, does it still have that rotten egg smell?
I'm home based and that smell is a game changer, if it is a smell free, or at least very low smell, I would love to try it.
Something like this would help me a bit with underbasing or printing on darker colors.
TIA
Hm I find this all very strange. Magna shipped us via FedEx the Formaldehyde free Discharge system without any problems. That`s from the UK to Japan. The product works great and does not smell bad.