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screen printing => Equipment => Topic started by: 3Deep on May 22, 2014, 01:45:39 PM
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Got an email this morning with a vid of the new Anatol Volt an all electric press, looks pretty nice, the only electric press I've seem run in person was Brown. What do you guys and gals think about an all electric press and have owned or run one Pros and Cons, I think you can find the Volt on youtube if you like to take a look.
Darryl
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it looks good to me.
I would maybe get it for my home based shop because there is no noise associated with a compressor, but I do not think it will fit in the available area.
Also, I do not think that I will be able to take down in a basement :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFhhkgugqDI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFhhkgugqDI)
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I like it a bunch and is perfect for home printers, if this contracting thing doesn't work out it may be the way to go.
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Only thing I don't like is the squeeze pressure is only adjustable via the knobs/physical stops so there's no accurate way to gauge down force. I only use air pressure for squeegee and have the knobs turned all the way out so they aren't used.
If your pallets are always perfectly level with each other the the Knob stops are OK.
How much do they cost?
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I like the idea of them. I forgot the exact price, but they are pretty heavy. Considering what you are paying, it upsets me that all electric presses only offer manual knobs to lock the screen in place. I think at the very least they should come with an option to accept a pancake compressor so you can add airlocks to the press.
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I looked the press over in Long Beach and IMO there is way to much going on with all the linkage, bearings, pins, etc for the chopper system. To much stuff to bend, break, ware out, maintain.
I'm with Integrity on the choppers using pressure not mechanical stops.
Unless I looked at it wrong every time the off contact is adjusted the choppers would all need to be adjusted. There is also the fact all the choppers are always working.
I know it would add cost to the press but there is no reason the choppers and screen clamps could not be worked independently using electrical mechanical components. This would also allow the operator to print using pressure not the stops and turn heads off not being used.
I'm sure it fits the needs of some printers.
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Something like this looks like it has a LOT of custom parts, that aren't off the shelf... and with all the extra mechanicals that have to be tuned perfectly to work together, it could be a nightmare to keep running long term (especially when the warranty runs out)
at least with workhorse/M&R/etc, if something fails, you can likely get it at Grainger or some other industrial supply place and make it work...
Remember: the extra cost you pay for reliability and support is probably less than a few days of lost production.
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Also noticed on their website for it, that it's only available in 3phase.. no single phase option at this time... of course a single-phase version of something that's already drawing 17amps at 220v is going to end up in the 40-50amp 220 range... so might not really be a good option for a lot of home printers anyways.
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I have spoken with an anatol rep for several months about the volt. He said they are built on the same chassis as the titan and horizon. The difference is between the 2 standard frame sizes which would dictate the chassis size. I have been looking at the 8/10 version which uses the horizon base and 23x31 frames. I was concerned about the all head chopping as it's apparent in the 2 grainy show videos (now 3 videos including the pro-looking footage). He said that was a prototype and rushed it together for the show. The later/current version now offers individual head powering on/off. I have requested numerous times for him to take a 10-30 sec video clip of this happening and can't get it. He swears it now does but a quick video is difficult to do? For about a 50k machine cost with flash & additional pallets would it be too much to do this? I also asked for a manual to see what kind of maintenance is involved with these new parts on the heads. Said there is only a digital manual in the head of the press's control unit and now copy he can let me see.
It appears to have a very similar chopper actuation as the brown, except it uses individual motors to raise the squeegees. Same pivoting bar setup that links the squeegee & flood bar assemblies. The brown relies on a few more linkages tied to a roller skate wheel that is raised when the up/down motor of the press moves. The anatol looks very nice and seems like a polished version of the brown. As info is being released it seems that they are offering numerous configurations of it...guess it makes it easier as the base it supposed to be the same as existing presses.
It's definitely an impressive setup, just wondering the longevity of the parts as they are new to the market?
BTW, they do offer them in single phase in at least the volt-s & volt-m configurations (including the 8/10 I inquired about). 33 amps @ 208. Not sure of the maximum pallet & head number configurations.
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I was concerned about the all head chopping as it's apparent in the 2 grainy show videos (now 3 videos including the pro-looking footage).
He said that was a prototype and rushed it together for the show.
I have requested numerous times for him to take a 10-30 sec video clip of this happening and can't get it. He swears it now does but a quick video is difficult to do? For about a 50k machine cost with flash & additional pallets would it be too much to do this? I also asked for a manual to see what kind of maintenance is involved with these new parts on the heads. Said there is only a digital manual in the head of the press's control unit and now copy he can let me see.
I URGE you to please read these statements you have made and really think about them. This company has not had the best reputation(claims it is getting better) but if you are feeling uneasy or not getting service/your questions answered now, imagine what that could be like if you got the machine and needed something.... I'm sorry, but only having the manual on the press and not being able to release it to you, sounds like the guy is either lazy or full of B.S.
IMO if you are considering a 8/10, a all electric press seems almost novelty. Unless you are printing next to a library ::) I don't understand the appeal of a all electric unit. Again, just my opinion.
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Do more research, before you pull the trigger on this press, or any press.
Chris
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Absolutely have done research. At first it looked interesting. Obviously sales rep has been inconsistent. Not buying it... who would with the responses I got? Just forwarding info to those who may be interested (single phase, all heads chopping).
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for there rep. I would look somewhere else, 50K range your into a sabre or a little more M&R sporty 10/12 just my two cents worth...
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for there rep. I would look somewhere else, 50K range your into a sabre or a little more M&R sporty 10/12 just my two cents worth...
12/10 Sportsman with flash is the same price basically as their unit. Just a FYI.
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Being maybe the only Anatol user on the site here :'(, I know the company gets a bad knock with crummy salesmen, but there products have been good for me and service. Just hard to believe I'm the only one that has had good things to say about them or I just don't know what I'm talking about and have the worse press in the world and don't know it. Even though I like Anatol I too really don't see a need for an all electric press and all heads chopping is something I've heard happening on some M&R presses as well, not cool. I think I got blessed to get a good sale rep back when I got my press from Anatol and the installer was great as well that might have made a big difference in how I feel about the company today and they still help me to this day if I need anything ( Rich at M&R has help me in the pass also) so I can't really complain, but Anatol do need to get on these forums and defend there products with confidence and assure people they stand behind and on top of there products.
Darryl
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... but Anatol does need to get on these forums and defend there products with confidence and assure people they stand behind and on top of there products.
Darryl
Something I have encouraged since day one. They do have a couple of folks registered here, but I have a feeling that they don't check in regularly enough, and rely more on someone notifying them of a particular thread.
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Being maybe the only Anatol user on the site here :'(
I have a 10/12 Trident and it works just fine. Only thing that is funky is the M&R style pallet levers were cast horribly and make removing pallets a huge pain in the arse.
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Being maybe the only Anatol user on the site here :'(
I have a 10/12 Trident and it works just fine. Only thing that is funky is the M&R style pallet levers were cast horribly and make removing pallets a huge pain in the arse.
Anatex or Printol?
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Don't mistake not responding publicly to not responding at all :). I believe the wrong approach has been taken regarding negative comments made and I personally would look at WHY they are being made instead of WHO is saying WHAT, but that's just my opinion on the matter.
And Darryl, even rw had a few happy customers along the way.
I'm sure there are a few shops out there that would love an all electric press but I personally would never want one just because of the way we print with low print pressure. I'm sure Anatol and Workhorse have done their research and know the demand for such a press or they wouldn't have gone through all of the R&D to introduce a new press...hopefully.
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Alan I would ask is it the product people tend to want to bash or the reps that rep the company behind the products they produce. I know M&R is the monster equipment supplier here and most every shop even though they may not be the best machine on the market, but due to Rich being a hands on guy and keeping his finger on the pulse, his company stands heads above the rest. Some of the things that I hear people complain about can be found on just about any press, Rich at M&R is smart enough to have good people in place to get stuff fixed, I would think if other companies did this it might be an even playing field. I think W had some demons or still do that really stopped a smart man from being a trusted guy, some may disagree but that's JMHO on him. Most of you already know I like pulling for the underdog from time to time as the big dog is always at the bowl feeding LOL. Alan your right there has to be a market for electric presses Browns been in biz for years, just like anatol came out the mini years ago now look who else has join in with there own version of small presses.
Darryl
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Hi All,
I have seen the Volt up close and personal, I was really blown away! I can tell you it is a brilliant machine. Silent, no air, therefore neededing NO compressor at all !! unless you want the optional feature of pneumatic screen clamps, then you will need a small compressor and a chiller.
The heads are completely independant, you can turn them on or off ! you dont have to have them all on?? Not sure where you heard that. The machine has all the features including individual head off contact, and global off contact. You can adjust the pressure of the chop cylinders, the same way you would on any machine. I actually installed one in Ventura, a couple of weeks ago, without a hiccup ! Customer was super happy, we set up a 4 color job with perfect registration, and perfect print pressure. Very swift indexing, lift / lower all servo.
I suggest you go to a trade show and see for yourself. they go together like LEGO. :)
Terry Deaner is the sales dude from Anatol, just a delightful guy, super helpful and is true to his word.
Hope this clarifies a few things out there.
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I appreciate the concerns and issues that have been brought up in the past few days here.
We are excited to offer something to this industry that has never been offered before, The Volt all Electric Press for high production.
Why an all electric press: there are many reasons, a few you have already mentioned, a lot less noise compared to the pneumatic presses. There are several other advantages I would like to point out; no need for a compressor and an air chiller. This not only saves you money upfront, but will cut down on Maintenance cost. Speaking of Maintenance think about never having to replace broken tubing, fittings and air cylinder
I could go on and on about the advantages of an electric press and would be happy to with anyone who would like to spend some time with me or a member of our sales team.
The new frontiers of Electric presses don’t allow us to regulate the squeeze pressure. We weighted the advantages of the superior technology of the electric press brings to the market; we understand that this is a feature some screen printers need, that’s why we still offer a full line of pneumatic presses.
Blinkspot….great eye, I appreciate your feed back concerning the linkage, digital central off-contact and the choppers always working. The Volt at the Long Beach was a Prototype. We made several adjustments to our design to eliminate the linkage issue, the squeegee and the flood bars working at the same time, now each one works independently, and the linkage is far less complicated
The Volt is now available in single, three phase 220, and now is offered at a 110. Our website soon will reflect theses new offerings.
There are some parts for the Volt that are available at Granger just like all presses. But not all parts are available there, which isn’t a bad thing. We use proven technology developed for years on our most expensive presses like the Vindicator and Pegasus. This means you are getting technology that was only available on $200,000 presses for a fraction of the cost.
It was mentioned by hoagie and followed up by 244 that the “Sabre” and the “Sporty” are basically the same price as the Volt, I would like to point out those presses are a combination of pneumatic and electric technology, just like our Horizon Press which by the way cost less money and have far more features. I have a question, how much are their all electric presses?
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Why an all electric press: there are many reasons, a few you have already mentioned, a lot less noise compared to the pneumatic presses. There are several other advantages I would like to point out; no need for a compressor and an air chiller. This not only saves you money upfront, but will cut down on Maintenance cost. Speaking of Maintenance think about never having to replace broken tubing, fittings and air cylinder
I could go on and on about the advantages of an electric press and would be happy to with anyone who would like to spend some time with me or a member of our sales team.
I am still lost at the advantage of a all electric press.... Not saying they are not there, I just don't understand what they are. I'll give you the not replacing air lines. But aside from that the only real advantage that to me makes sense would be for a smaller shop without ambitions of growing. I am in NO way saying that is a bad thing, hell for me stress was WAY less when it was just me. But the noise argument goes out the window if compared with a servo index/AC head press, lets say you add a larger gas dryer to the mix and 2 employees, the noise is a neutral point again. We use our compressor for so many other things than just the presses, that we really couldn't not have a compressor.
I am not trying to slam the idea just because of who makes the press, I just don't understand the advantages. Kind of like when I didn't understand the advantages of a tablet control like on the Workhorse or MHM. Now I think it is a GREAT idea for the tablet control. I got edumacated ;D
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I appreciate the concerns and issues that have been brought up in the past few days here.
We are excited to offer something to this industry that has never been offered before, The Volt all Electric Press for high production.
Why an all electric press: there are many reasons, a few you have already mentioned, a lot less noise compared to the pneumatic presses. There are several other advantages I would like to point out; no need for a compressor and an air chiller. This not only saves you money upfront, but will cut down on Maintenance cost. Speaking of Maintenance think about never having to replace broken tubing, fittings and air cylinder
I could go on and on about the advantages of an electric press and would be happy to with anyone who would like to spend some time with me or a member of our sales team.
The new frontiers of Electric presses don’t allow us to regulate the squeeze pressure. We weighted the advantages of the superior technology of the electric press brings to the market; we understand that this is a feature some screen printers need, that’s why we still offer a full line of pneumatic presses.
Blinkspot….great eye, I appreciate your feed back concerning the linkage, digital central off-contact and the choppers always working. The Volt at the Long Beach was a Prototype. We made several adjustments to our design to eliminate the linkage issue, the squeegee and the flood bars working at the same time, now each one works independently, and the linkage is far less complicated
The Volt is now available in single, three phase 220, and now is offered at a 110. Our website soon will reflect theses new offerings.
There are some parts for the Volt that are available at Granger just like all presses. But not all parts are available there, which isn’t a bad thing. We use proven technology developed for years on our most expensive presses like the Vindicator and Pegasus. This means you are getting technology that was only available on $200,000 presses for a fraction of the cost.
It was mentioned by hoagie and followed up by 244 that the “Sabre” and the “Sporty” are basically the same price as the Volt, I would like to point out those presses are a combination of pneumatic and electric technology, just like our Horizon Press which by the way cost less money and have far more features. I have a question, how much are their all electric presses?
The answer to your question as to how much is our all electric press is we don't make one as you already know and we also feel there is no need for the all electric press. Every shop needs air for multiple reasons including printing. I guess Anatol, Brown, and Workhorse will be the ones with an all electric press. Seems appropriate.
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Ill go ahead and get my popcorn out.
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With the Workhorse Saber requiring 5cfm, it's definitely not an all electric press. Guessing that at leasr the choppers (they do have independent air regulators per head) and possibly lift are both air.
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Ha, funny Brandt!
Electric runs "silent"? Not my old Precision...
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Ill go ahead and get my popcorn out.
Don't get too large of a tub because this will not degenerate into a company slamfest.
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Ill go ahead and get my popcorn out.
Don't get too large of a tub because this will not degenerate into a company slamfest.
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I didn't mean for this to be a war of companies, but just to ask what people thought of the electric press, but I remember talking with a high powered person years ago who had to eat his own words. Frog I know you'll lock this thread if it gets out of hand, but hopefully it will stay nice.
Darryl
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brandt, that's funny...and screw you for mentioning popcorn, now I want some.
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Ill go ahead and get my popcorn out.
Ha! knew this was coming, been waiting all day for it!
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brandt, that's funny...and screw you for mentioning popcorn, now I want some.
no kidding! Is it just me though, or is there no substitute for good ole super butter movie popcorn? Too bad is like 300 bucks a bucket lol.
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There is absolutely no substitute! Took the family out to the $3 movie theater and watched two movies and I was probably responsible for a tub and a half of that lol! Can't resist that dang popcorn.
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I make really good popcorn at the house..the secret...flavored oils. I really like chili oil, I use about 1-2 tsp with vegetable or canola oil...all chili oil and your face will melt off.
yumm.
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I appreciate the concerns and issues that have been brought up in the past few days here.
We are excited to offer something to this industry that has never been offered before, The Volt all Electric Press for high production.
Why an all electric press: there are many reasons, a few you have already mentioned, a lot less noise compared to the pneumatic presses. There are several other advantages I would like to point out; no need for a compressor and an air chiller. This not only saves you money upfront, but will cut down on Maintenance cost. Speaking of Maintenance think about never having to replace broken tubing, fittings and air cylinder
I could go on and on about the advantages of an electric press and would be happy to with anyone who would like to spend some time with me or a member of our sales team.
The new frontiers of Electric presses don’t allow us to regulate the squeeze pressure. We weighted the advantages of the superior technology of the electric press brings to the market; we understand that this is a feature some screen printers need, that’s why we still offer a full line of pneumatic presses.
Blinkspot….great eye, I appreciate your feed back concerning the linkage, digital central off-contact and the choppers always working. The Volt at the Long Beach was a Prototype. We made several adjustments to our design to eliminate the linkage issue, the squeegee and the flood bars working at the same time, now each one works independently, and the linkage is far less complicated
The Volt is now available in single, three phase 220, and now is offered at a 110. Our website soon will reflect theses new offerings.
There are some parts for the Volt that are available at Granger just like all presses. But not all parts are available there, which isn’t a bad thing. We use proven technology developed for years on our most expensive presses like the Vindicator and Pegasus. This means you are getting technology that was only available on $200,000 presses for a fraction of the cost.
It was mentioned by hoagie and followed up by 244 that the “Sabre” and the “Sporty” are basically the same price as the Volt, I would like to point out those presses are a combination of pneumatic and electric technology, just like our Horizon Press which by the way cost less money and have far more features. I have a question, how much are their all electric presses?
The way I see it is the biggest problem is that it is NEW and there will be issues on any new technology. With that being said, It is a Anatol and you don't have a good track record with service and support, service and support is the best feature of any press.
Anatol is the former employer of the Print-ex crew, which also has bad service. Why Melinda may works fo Anatol after tas is mind blowing in its self.
A former failing tas rep and a failing Anatol company only makes sense that a person should buy a new electric press from you two.
Ms. May what are telling the new Anatol customers, you know the ones you told how great tas was and your service will be there forever.
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There is absolutely no substitute! Took the family out to the $3 movie theater and watched two movies and I was probably responsible for a tub and a half of that lol! Can't resist that dang popcorn.
Funny enough, we havn't been to a theater in a few years, sad huh. Last time we went, wow this might even be farther back, was when the first Iron Man came out. We went to a Cobb theater. Got the Cobbster package, must have went out for at least 2 refills of popcorn. I think I used to enjoy the popcorn more than the dang theater hahahahaha
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I appreciate the concerns and issues that have been brought up in the past few days here.
We are excited to offer something to this industry that has never been offered before, The Volt all Electric Press for high production.
Why an all electric press: there are many reasons, a few you have already mentioned, a lot less noise compared to the pneumatic presses. There are several other advantages I would like to point out; no need for a compressor and an air chiller. This not only saves you money upfront, but will cut down on Maintenance cost. Speaking of Maintenance think about never having to replace broken tubing, fittings and air cylinder
I could go on and on about the advantages of an electric press and would be happy to with anyone who would like to spend some time with me or a member of our sales team.
The new frontiers of Electric presses don’t allow us to regulate the squeeze pressure. We weighted the advantages of the superior technology of the electric press brings to the market; we understand that this is a feature some screen printers need, that’s why we still offer a full line of pneumatic presses.
Blinkspot….great eye, I appreciate your feed back concerning the linkage, digital central off-contact and the choppers always working. The Volt at the Long Beach was a Prototype. We made several adjustments to our design to eliminate the linkage issue, the squeegee and the flood bars working at the same time, now each one works independently, and the linkage is far less complicated
The Volt is now available in single, three phase 220, and now is offered at a 110. Our website soon will reflect theses new offerings.
There are some parts for the Volt that are available at Granger just like all presses. But not all parts are available there, which isn’t a bad thing. We use proven technology developed for years on our most expensive presses like the Vindicator and Pegasus. This means you are getting technology that was only available on $200,000 presses for a fraction of the cost.
It was mentioned by hoagie and followed up by 244 that the “Sabre” and the “Sporty” are basically the same price as the Volt, I would like to point out those presses are a combination of pneumatic and electric technology, just like our Horizon Press which by the way cost less money and have far more features. I have a question, how much are their all electric presses?
Why Melinda may works fo Anatol after TAS is mind blowing in its self.
I believe that I heard that TAS America has some sort of service deal with Anatol. Perhaps they could clarify.
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With the Workhorse Saber requiring 5cfm, it's definitely not an all electric press. Guessing that at leasr the choppers (they do have independent air regulators per head) and possibly lift are both air.
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Confirmed... The Sabre uses compressed air for the "Pallet Lift and Lower," Choppers on the Print Head (includes individual pressure regulator) and Screen Clamps.
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Whoa, this took a turn from where I saw it this morning. And welcome to the show Mike :) I take it you don't beat around the bush?
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Whoa, this took a turn from where I saw it this morning. And welcome to the show Mike :) I take it you don't beat around the bush?
Good to know Mike's not a bush beater!, That came out odd. But seriously, tell it like it is. Good can only come from any bad situation. If anyone has issues with any gear or company, I'm sure the company would want to know so that they can rectify and improve. That's how I would want it.
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So answer me this.
Do the choppers work all the time on all the heads or do you need to run the knobs all the way down to make them stop?
If you adjust the central off contact does that effect the chopper stroke and they have to be adjusted?
Mel mentioned individual off contact for each head, is this calibrated like a CHIII or some other presses and can be adjusted on the fly and tool less or are you talking two 30mm wrenches and breaking the screen holder nuts loose and adjusting? If the later is the case most any press offers that.
As far as adjusting the choppers like "any other press" not true. We like many other printers rely strictly on air pressure not the chopper knobs, ours are run to the top and rarely touched.
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Brandt, you are just priceless.
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MAY National dba TAS America, has an excellent reputation for service, maintenance and spare parts. This will never change.
We are now offering the same service for Anatol Customers, we do not force either brand on customers. If we get an enquirey for TAS , it is dealt with appropriately, and the same with ANATOL customers. I know we can help Anatol customers in California, and we have done so to many who had little support with technical questions locally. We are here for them , and TAS customers,
MAY National INC is a growing company. We are proud of what we do and have to offer.
This will not change.
Take a look at the VOLT, and then have an opinion.
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Don't mistake not responding publicly to not responding at all :). I believe the wrong approach has been taken regarding negative comments made and I personally would look at WHY they are being made instead of WHO is saying WHAT, but that's just my opinion on the matter.
And Darryl, even rw had a few happy customers along the way.
I'm sure there are a few shops out there that would love an all electric press but I personally would never want one just because of the way we print with low print pressure. I'm sure Anatol and Workhorse have done their research and know the demand for such a press or they wouldn't have gone through all of the R&D to introduce a new press...hopefully.
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I was only making a joke before, but ya it's nice to see the manufactures mix it up mildly. Bring on the even better products.
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I heard that TAS has an electric press. Is this true?
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I heard that TAS has an electric press. Is this true?
From the following site.
http://www.tasamerica.com/aboutus.php (http://www.tasamerica.com/aboutus.php)
"* 2002 TAS introduced to the market its first fully electric machine, named “The Electra Range” offering a 55cm x 76cm (22” x 30”) print size; with electric motor rotation coupled with electric print heads."
But I can't see it in their current product range in the menu.
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Haha this one has gone all over! Even got me thinking of caramel covered popcorn:)
I don't know where the Workhorse all electric thing came from, that Sabre looks like a nice unit and does use air. The only presses I knew of(with out a doubt there could be more) that were all electric are- Brown, TAS, Graphica, and anatol.
Just to clarify for my poor reading comprehension, have the advantages of a all electric press(of any brand) been identified here?
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Just to clarify for my poor reading comprehension, have the advantages of a all electric press(of any brand) been identified here?
It's electric. No air compressor needed. That's it.
I don't think Anatol is claiming it is BETTER or has any advantages over an air/electric press? They're just listing the features and the true fact that you don't have to worry about air leaks, compressors, or air line dryers. I think it's cool and has a place in the market or it wouldn't exist.
Is it pricier than a Titan w/ air compressor & chiller. I'm betting yes.
Bink, it's my pink and blue Prinatol lol.
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... but Anatol does need to get on these forums and defend there products with confidence and assure people they stand behind and on top of there products.
Darryl
Something I have encouraged since day one. They do have a couple of folks registered here, but I have a feeling that they don't check in regularly enough, and rely more on someone notifying them of a particular thread.
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Haha this one has gone all over! Even got me thinking of caramel covered popcorn:)
I don't know where the Workhorse all electric thing came from, that Sabre looks like a nice unit and does use air. The only presses I knew of(with out a doubt there could be more) that were all electric are- Brown, TAS, Graphica, and anatol.
Just to clarify for my poor reading comprehension, have the advantages of a all electric press(of any brand) been identified here?
CARRRRRRMEL CORN!!!!!! When I was a kid, there was a Carmel Corn store in the mall, the smell used to fill the whole mall, much like today's Cinabon's do. Mom NEVER, let me get any lol, man I love some good Carmel Corn, can't believe you brought that up Alex, now I'm on a jones!! hahahah
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... but Anatol does need to get on these forums and defend there products with confidence and assure people they stand behind and on top of there products.
Darryl
Something I have encouraged since day one. They do have a couple of folks registered here, but I have a feeling that they don't check in regularly enough, and rely more on someone notifying them of a particular thread.
we have a manufacturer section that can be set up for automatic notifications. We would be more than glad to set up a section for Anatol. It would make it easier to stay on top of things.
pierre
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The answer to your question as to how much is our all electric press is we don't make one as you already know and we also feel there is no need for the all electric press. Every shop needs air for multiple reasons including printing. I guess Anatol, Brown, and Workhorse will be the ones with an all electric press. Seems appropriate.
Come on Rich, you know the Sabre shouldnt be lumped in with the Brown and Anatol all electric automatic presses... The sabre was designed with one purpose and one purpose only... To go after the Sportsman market... Im not saying one is better than the other, but the good ol Sporty finally has some real competition...
For anyone in the Atlanta area that would like to see the Sabre in action, ours will be here on Tuesday (6/3/2014), along with a powerhouse dryer, and one of the new FlashBacks... Once it is up and running I will be posting some videos, and welcome anyone that wants to come see it to stop by!!
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The answer to your question as to how much is our all electric press is we don't make one as you already know and we also feel there is no need for the all electric press. Every shop needs air for multiple reasons including printing. I guess Anatol, Brown, and Workhorse will be the ones with an all electric press. Seems appropriate.
Come on Rich, you know the Sabre shouldn’t be lumped in with the Brown and Anatol all electric automatic presses... The sabre was designed with one purpose and one purpose only... To go after the Sportsman market... I’m not saying one is better than the other, but the good ol Sporty finally has some real competition...
For anyone in the Atlanta area that would like to see the Sabre in action, ours will be here on Tuesday (6/3/2014), along with a powerhouse dryer, and one of the new FlasgBacks... Once it is up and running I will be posting some videos, and welcome anyone that wants to come see it to stop by!!
Phil and the boys at workhorse are great folks! The Sabre is new and the Sportsman has been TEST and it has passed the time test, I wish people who compare their presses to M&R would have at least been in the market and running before " The real competition" remark.
The only real competition for M&R is the used M&R market. Again, when buying a press do research and visit the factory, it is after all the most important part of you business. No good pressy no printy.
Rich Hoffman is the "GUY" for a reason and that reason is quality, service and vision.
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The answer to your question as to how much is our all electric press is we don't make one as you already know and we also feel there is no need for the all electric press. Every shop needs air for multiple reasons including printing. I guess Anatol, Brown, and Workhorse will be the ones with an all electric press. Seems appropriate.
Come on Rich, you know the Sabre shouldn’t be lumped in with the Brown and Anatol all electric automatic presses... The sabre was designed with one purpose and one purpose only... To go after the Sportsman market... I’m not saying one is better than the other, but the good ol Sporty finally has some real competition...
For anyone in the Atlanta area that would like to see the Sabre in action, ours will be here on Tuesday (6/3/2014), along with a powerhouse dryer, and one of the new FlasgBacks... Once it is up and running I will be posting some videos, and welcome anyone that wants to come see it to stop by!!
Here is what I will say and then I will stay out of this post.
When and if Brown, Anatol, or Workhorse are willing to give customers a 100% money back guarantee on there products just like M&R does then I will consider them viable competition. Until then customers are buying at their own risk and their future is in the hands of the manufacturer. Giving this warranty will either make them competitive with M&R or put them out of business. Either way works for me.
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Tommy Boy (2/10) Movie CLIP - Desktop Demo (1995) HD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2XvxDaIwCw#ws)
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Tommy Boy (2/10) Movie CLIP - Desktop Demo (1995) HD ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2XvxDaIwCw#ws[/url])
That's the wrong scene!!!!
Tommyboy 04 Guarantee scene (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEB7WbTTlu4#)
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that was awesome!
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Tommy Boy (2/10) Movie CLIP - Desktop Demo (1995) HD ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2XvxDaIwCw#ws[/url])
That's the wrong scene!!!!
Tommyboy 04 Guarantee scene ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEB7WbTTlu4#[/url])
That was the video I was looking for. I just dont have that much time so I went with the other one. They both really fit here. (yours is the better one)
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Ok I am soooooooooooooooooooo sorry! I shouldn't of opened my mouth/keys! I was just going off what you guys had on your website-
M&R will return 100% of the purchase price of any new M&R automatic textile press returned to the factory in near-new condition in the original crate or its equivalent within 45 days of the shipment date. Crating, shipping, and installation charges are excluded. This guarantee applies to original owners of M&R automatic textile presses installed and operated in the United States.
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A guarantee is what it is, a big azz hope it don't break before you get it home LOL, really for me a guarantee is asking for someones trust that if said product breaks you'll be there to fix the problem or help get it solved, only thing in the world that is guaranteed is death and taxes. ( within 45 days of the shipment date) then it breaks down on day 46 LOL just had to go there....that's how stuff works for me ;D
Darryl
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Warranty is two years limited, 45 days on money back.... after a few "reds" we are going "blue".
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Blue Ballers.
Sorry had to stir it up a little.
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I had a press that was a little over a month out of warranty. I had an incident happen that I seriously doubt has happened to anyone else. Serious and crippling to our production. I got a hold of the manufacturer. They said they'd never had this happen, but would cover the part, and freight also. This was a three hundred pound part, so we weren't just doing a next day UPS delivery. I had the part the next morning. They said they would schedule a tech, since this isn't a standard do it yourself fix. I let them know I needed that press running ASAP, so they walked me through the replacement. I was up and running less than 5 working hours after the "explosion". Cash out of our pocket? ZERO. Even though the machine was out of warranty, they had me up and going the next day, no charge to me. This is going above and beyond, in my opinion. Warranty honored even though it is expired goes a LONG way in customer relations.
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Barth, that my friend is what I call standing behind and on your equipment warranty, equipment breaks everyone knows that, but your word shouldn't.
Darryl
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I had a press that was a little over a month out of warranty. I had an incident happen that I seriously doubt has happened to anyone else. Serious and crippling to our production. I got a hold of the manufacturer. They said they'd never had this happen, but would cover the part, and freight also. This was a three hundred pound part, so we weren't just doing a next day UPS delivery. I had the part the next morning. They said they would schedule a tech, since this isn't a standard do it yourself fix. I let them know I needed that press running ASAP, so they walked me through the replacement. I was up and running less than 5 working hours after the "explosion". Cash out of our pocket? ZERO. Even though the machine was out of warranty, they had me up and going the next day, no charge to me. This is going above and beyond, in my opinion. Warranty honored even though it is expired goes a LONG way in customer relations.
Guess the brand right? I Bet I can guess ;)
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I had a press that was a little over a month out of warranty. I had an incident happen that I seriously doubt has happened to anyone else. Serious and crippling to our production. I got a hold of the manufacturer. They said they'd never had this happen, but would cover the part, and freight also. This was a three hundred pound part, so we weren't just doing a next day UPS delivery. I had the part the next morning. They said they would schedule a tech, since this isn't a standard do it yourself fix. I let them know I needed that press running ASAP, so they walked me through the replacement. I was up and running less than 5 working hours after the "explosion". Cash out of our pocket? ZERO. Even though the machine was out of warranty, they had me up and going the next day, no charge to me. This is going above and beyond, in my opinion. Warranty honored even though it is expired goes a LONG way in customer relations.
Same story, different time, different place but on a secondary market purchase.
The original mfg. stood behind their equipment even though I did not write them a check for the machine. The correct part arrived, we were given priority handling and huge amounts of phone time to walk us through what should not have been a DIY repair. We did not even pay freight. That my friends is service beyond the sale. Oh did I mention it was a Holiday weekend?
~Kitson
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Ok I am soooooooooooooooooooo sorry! I shouldn't of opened my mouth/keys! I was just going off what you guys had on your website-
M&R will return 100% of the purchase price of any new M&R automatic textile press returned to the factory in near-new condition in the original crate or its equivalent within 45 days of the shipment date. Crating, shipping, and installation charges are excluded. This guarantee applies to original owners of M&R automatic textile presses installed and operated in the United States.
You were absolutely right... No reason to apologize... Here is the add off of M&R's site...
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The interesting part is in the fine print... ;)
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Add the cost of freight 2 directions + crate + Install/Tech Expenses... You are easily out 4-6 K... Yes it is 100% money back, but only on the physical equipment...
Ive got to get back to work lol, but I will end my point by saying this...
M&R will probably never have to honor this deal because they produce good equipment. Rich is a smart business man, and he knows doing a true 100% (Cover everything) money back guarantee would be foolish. The policy would be abused.
In all of my years selling workhorse products here at Spot Color Supply, and at the company I use to work for, I have Never had a customer want to return a machine that I sold them.
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It's been an interesting thread! Thanks for everyone’s input.
In case it wasn't made clear….
May International is an Anatol Dealer for both sales and service. We are proud to have them as a partner. They have a great reputation and have many years of service and sales experience. Please visit website at www.anatol.com (http://www.anatol.com) for a full list of dealers across the country.
What truly is the best feature of the VOLT. NO PNEUMATIC PARTS, Think about it, No pneumatic parts to break/leak, no down time due to failed pneumatic parts. Less maintenance which in turn means less maintenance expense and less down time! Bottom line....more profit for the shop owner and less headaches!
Each head on the Volt does work independently. If that wasn't clear I am sorry.
I would like to extend an invitation to everyone to visit our booth at the upcoming show in Indy to visit the Volt, or to visit us at our corporate office located in the Chicago area.
We offer, feature for feature, the best press and equipment on the market coupled with the newest technology and the best overall value. Anatol offers the best and widest selections when it comes to choice of equipment. From the smallest footprint, in the Titan and Volt, to some of the biggest and most sophisticated presses in the Pegasus II, Vindicator and Trident II. The Horizon and the Stratus are two of the hardest working presses on the market place.
To our customers, thank you for your loyalty and support. To the people who are considering an Anatol Press for their shop, thank you for your interest. For all those in the industry, may we live long and prosper.
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Add the cost of freight 2 directions + crate + Install/Tech Expenses... You are easily out 4-6 K... Yes it is 100% money back, but only on the physical equipment...
Ive got to get back to work lol, but I will end my point by saying this...
M&R will probably never have to honor this deal because they produce good equipment. Rich is a smart business man, and he knows doing a true 100% (Cover everything) money back guarantee would be foolish. The policy would be abused.
In all of my years selling workhorse products here at Spot Color Supply, and at the company I use to work for, I have Never had a customer want to return a machine that I sold them.
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I thought this was a Anatol Volt Press Thread? Maybe we can start a M&R Workhorse thread next week and talk about the Volt....lol
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In all of my years selling workhorse products here at Spot Color Supply, and at the company I use to work for, I have Never had a customer want to return a machine that I sold them.
Which stands to reason, why don't other manufactures of autos if they are trying to be competitive and they aren't worried about people returning them what do they have to lose? M&R must think they have nothing to lose.
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What truly is the best feature of the VOLT. NO PNEUMATIC PARTS, Think about it, No pneumatic parts to break/leak, no down time due to failed pneumatic parts. Less maintenance which in turn means less maintenance expense and less down time! Bottom line....more profit for the shop owner and less headaches!
I'm not sure this line of reasoning would work on anyone other than an extreme newbie. Its not like presses are down constantly due to pneumatic issues. My press have been down exactly two hours in the last four years due to a pneumatic issue . . .
Another thing, doesn't the lack of pneumatic parts to break/leak/fail simply mean there are more electrical parts that could break/short/fail?
Not trying to knock the product, but like others, I question the advantage of a pure electric press and I don't think no compressor/chiller needed or no pneumatic parts that could potentially break are particularly persuasive points.
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Add the cost of freight 2 directions + crate + Install/Tech Expenses... You are easily out 4-6 K... Yes it is 100% money back, but only on the physical equipment...
Ive got to get back to work lol, but I will end my point by saying this...
M&R will probably never have to honor this deal because they produce good equipment. Rich is a smart business man, and he knows doing a true 100% (Cover everything) money back guarantee would be foolish. The policy would be abused.
In all of my years selling workhorse products here at Spot Color Supply, and at the company I use to work for, I have Never had a customer want to return a machine that I sold them.
I thought this was a Anatol Volt Press Thread? Maybe we can start a M&R Workhorse thread next week and talk about the Volt....lol
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You are right, I do apologize for the de-rail... I only jumped in because the Sabre was brought up...
If you ever wanna crash one of my threads, ill owe you one ;)
Spot Color Out...
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Well, I did watch Tommy Boy last night after the comedy postings ;D
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I am going to chime in here, sorry. Nobody likes the big brother chiming in even if it is just informational. . .
Everybody seems to be playing nice here so please keep it that way!
Let's keep it on topic and start new ones for tangential thoughts. While legitimate criticism and praise are welcome when they are relevant, let's try to keep this civilized.
pierre
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I am going to chime in here, sorry. Nobody likes the big brother chiming in even if it is yous informational. . .
Everybody seems to be playing nice here so please keep it that way!
Let's keep it on topic and start new ones for tangential thoughts. While legitimate criticism and praise are welcome when they are relevant, let's try to keep this civilized.
pierre
Is flavors of popcorn off limits? ;D
Sorry man, and everyone else too. Thing kinda morphed in all ways and I didn't help keep it on track.
Sounds like a all electric machine must have a "niche" I for one just don't understand it. But there are quite a few things I don't understand, like why these damn kids these days wear those skinny jeans! ;D
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Skinny jeans, that has got to be the absolute worst fashion trend of all time, not to mention looking totally uncomfortable!
I for one could imagine an all electric press in a retail store that I have been envisioning, money keeps me from doing it.
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Ok I am soooooooooooooooooooo sorry! I shouldn't of opened my mouth/keys! I was just going off what you guys had on your website-
M&R will return 100% of the purchase price of any new M&R automatic textile press returned to the factory in near-new condition in the original crate or its equivalent within 45 days of the shipment date. Crating, shipping, and installation charges are excluded. This guarantee applies to original owners of M&R automatic textile presses installed and operated in the United States.
In all of my years selling workhorse products here at Spot Color Supply, and at the company I use to work for, I have Never had a customer want to return a machine that I sold them.
Not to derail the thread any further but the first auto that I purchased was from workhorse(I would have been buying blue from the start had I actually known about the industry but thats another topic) had to be returned. When I started my shop, I was coming from the machining industry running a 5 axis cnc machine daily and the lack of quality machine work on the tuf blew me away...... The face plate that hits the stop blocks when the table raises up was not even machined flat, so the press would never have each pallet with the same off contact. Not saying they build all their machines this way but first hand right here I had to return the press I purchased because the machining on it was really crappy....... Just saying
To get back on the topic of an all electric press, what the hell is the point? Anyone who is serious about production understands that they need AIR in their shop for multiple reasons, not just running a press. The argument that you don't need a compressor/chiller to me is a selling point that is really being reached for honestly. The only market I can see this volt going after is the guy printing out of his garage that does this more as a hobby... That way he can have the quiet press with the "cool" touch screen type control but for serious production it just does not do it for me. I cannot wrap my head around why you would want an all electric press though as having air screen clamps, air squeegee clamps, etc is pretty important. Not trying to sound like a d*** but I honestly just don't see this press or anything electric ever being able to compete with a sportsmen in terms of raw production. To me it seems like a cool idea in theory(wanting a quiet all electric press) but the more and more I think about it, the less appealing it is. Just my .02 for what it's worth, I'd take a sportsmen that can crank out 800 shirts an hour all day long for years before wanting some new "cool" press that saved me some air.... :o
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Danny, even the CNC machines have air, correct? Or am I way off with that assumption?
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To get back on the topic of an all electric press, what the hell is the point? Anyone who is serious about production understands that they need AIR in their shop for multiple reasons, not just running a press. The argument that you don't need a compressor/chiller to me is a selling point that is really being reached for honestly. The only market I can see this volt going after is the guy printing out of his garage that does this more as a hobby... That way he can have the quiet press with the "cool" touch screen type control but for serious production it just does not do it for me. I cannot wrap my head around why you would want an all electric press though as having air screen clamps, air squeegee clamps, etc is pretty important. Not trying to sound like a d*** but I honestly just don't see this press or anything electric ever being able to compete with a sportsmen in terms of raw production. To me it seems like a cool idea in theory(wanting a quiet all electric press) but the more and more I think about it, the less appealing it is. Just my .02 for what it's worth, I'd take a sportsmen that can crank out 800 shirts an hour all day long for years before wanting some new "cool" press that saved me some air.... :o
Ya! Ditto! Danny just said it better than I could fumbling over my words! ;D
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I have to respect Rich and his company M&R, a very smart business man for sure and has done what it takes to put his machine at the top of the food chain per say, but this thread reminds me of watching an old cowboy movie where Mr. Crawford has did so many favors for all the town folks they'll jump to defend him even if he did something bad. This thread was started to talk about the Anatol Volt but somehow M&R got tossed up in here as with every thread that talks about any other press company. We all know M&R is top dog on service they strive to make good equipment and have a good rep, yes all companies should do the same, but every ones vision is not the same just like we all run our businesses different some better than others. Rich said his piece and backed out why cuz he knows there is no reason to when he has an army of people to battle for him the cat is like the Wal-mart of screenprint equipment and he buts butts to work and help others make money, but with that said just to get it off my chest lets talk about the subject without comparing it to M&R, if I remember correct they didn't build the first press just join in and found a lot of success in his business model. Do I back Anatol yes, do i back M&R yes my shop is red and blue I see 3-D(pun intended), but like I said Brown's been around for years lets see what these other electric press's has to offer.
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I have got to say I asked ligimate questions, not even sarcastic three pages ago and still have no answers. IMO this set the tone for how Anatol operates. Here's an opportunity to step up and explain how the press works and kill any rumors and nothing but crickets. It's not like they are giving up trade secrets. They know the thread exists, here's a perfect time to promote the product to a large audience of members and lurkers but again nothing. Even Baron stepped in for a min to set the record straight on the Saber, nothing more nothing less.
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I have got to say I asked ligimate questions, not even sarcastic three pages ago and still have no answers. IMO this set the tone for how Anatol operates. Here's an opportunity to step up and explain how the press works and kill any rumors and nothing but crickets. It's not like they are giving up trade secrets. They know the thread exists, here's a perfect time to promote the product to a large audience of members and lurkers but again nothing. Even Baron stepped in for a min to set the record straight on the Saber, nothing more nothing less.
Ask questions and I will answer, I am not sure what you are looking for.
Do you need a Video of the Press?
what information do you need?
You are welcome to call and I will answer any specific questions you might have.
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Ask questions and I will answer, I am not sure what you are looking for.
Do you need a Video of the Press?
what information do you need?
I'm not sure, but you are joking?
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Here's one. I didn't know my chiller wasn't working so apparently it was dumping water into my press and now have the heads don't work and I can't afford at the moment to fix it so I limp along with a 4 head press until I have funds to fix it. That wouldn't happen with an electric press BUT what could go wrong with all electric press sure sounds more costly.
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Here's one. I didn't know my chiller wasn't working so apparently it was dumping water into my press and now have heads 1-4 that don't work and I can't afford at the moment to fix it so I limp along with a 4 head press until I have funds to fix it. That wouldn't happen with an electric press BUT what could go wrong with all electric press sure sounds more costly.
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Just don't get, my whole point.
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Here's one. I didn't know my chiller wasn't working so apparently it was dumping water into my press and now have the heads don't work and I can't afford at the moment to fix it so I limp along with a 4 head press until I have funds to fix it. That wouldn't happen with an electric press BUT what could go wrong with all electric press sure sounds more costly.
It's servo technology. They are built to last a long time. Thanks for bringing that up...that's the advantage of the VOLT ! With a two year warranty it will not cost anything for the first two years for the part.
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Here's one. I didn't know my chiller wasn't working so apparently it was dumping water into my press and now have the heads don't work and I can't afford at the moment to fix it so I limp along with a 4 head press until I have funds to fix it. That wouldn't happen with an electric press BUT what could go wrong with all electric press sure sounds more costly.
It's servo technology. They are built to last a long time. Thanks for bringing that up...that's the advantage of the VOLT ! With a two year warranty it will not cost anything for the first two years for the part.
That is true, (With a two year warranty it will not cost anything for the first two years for the part).but don't forget customer pays for shipping leave nothing for surprise.
Darryl
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So they charge you shipping for a part that is under warranty?
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Shipping, tech expenses as well if needed and airfare, sustenance, hotel if needed etc etc
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Does Chevy charge you for the water pump on your 2013 to be shipped to the dealer, the tech to fix it and so on?
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Anatol removed the weakest link. Pneumatic are gone from the VOLT! Replaced with reliable long lasting servo electric technology.
Think about it, No pneumatic parts to break/leak! No down time due to failed tubing, fittings or air cylinders, Less maintenance which in turn means less expense and less down time!
The Volt is extremely energy efficient, save over 52% when compared to pneumatic presses that run on compressors and chillers.
Bottom line....more profit for your shop and less headaches!
Quite operations allow you to use the Volt almost any where. Reliability, Durability and an intuitive operating system, are just a few reason the Volt is the choice for your company’s new automatic. All of this at an affordable cost. The Family of Volts has a configuration of Image Sizes and Print Heat for any shop!
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Shipping, tech expenses as well if needed and airfare, sustenance, hotel if needed etc etc
So does this still apply?
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I have got to say I asked ligimate questions, not even sarcastic three pages ago and still have no answers. IMO this set the tone for how Anatol operates. Here's an opportunity to step up and explain how the press works and kill any rumors and nothing but crickets. It's not like they are giving up trade secrets. They know the thread exists, here's a perfect time to promote the product to a large audience of members and lurkers but again nothing. Even Baron stepped in for a min to set the record straight on the Saber, nothing more nothing less.
*LIKE* or *AGREE*
So they charge you shipping for a part that is under warranty?
To be fair Brandt, even though they kinda dodged your question(IMO results of what Binkspot already explained) one of the "under warranty" issues they actually did send me a part for back in the day, the shipping was covered. If that is still the issue, guess we will have to wait till there is a fuss raised to find out.
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I really wouldn't call pneumatic parts of the press the "the weakest link". Quality parts will equate to long service life. You make it sound like failure is almost certain by using air when in reality it is one of the most reliable, cost effective and easiest to trouble shoot/repair prime mover and control system. I would be more concerned about the control system (electrical side) which tells the air side how and when to operate.
Don't get me wrong a servo lift is nice but I would rather change out two lift cylinders and some valves for less then $1k then a servo motor and amp for several grand but that's just me.
Think about the hundreds of thousands of trucks and trailers with millions of miles on them roaming the world all using air for the braking systems.
Just saying
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What most people might not know is that Anatol had a life before making presses. They were and are world class robotics and automation manufacturers. They have automation and robotics in many "house hold" name plants. So I would have no problem trusting their technology. Anyone questioning should look at the Vindicator.
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Vindicator is in a completely different league as far as presses and does use air. Comparing the two is like saying GM makes the Volt (no pun intended) and a Corvette.
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What most people might not know is that Anatol had a life before making presses. They were and are world class robotics and automation manufacturers.
I was told by a handful of people that they made air bags, no clue if there is truth to that or not.
I have never been questioning their capability(on this thread) more just interested in WHY a all electric press is a great thing.
I am not talking for Bink here, but what drives me crazy is the manner of which anatol handles things, in this case it is a straight forward question about a new product. There has been a lot of dancing around for how many pages?
Yes, I understand you don't need a compressor to run the press. Why is that a advantage? Most shops will utilize a compressor eventually anyway. Is the press cheaper than their entry level press with a compressor? The other thing I keep reading is "no pneumatics". This is a gray area for me, since anatol has compensated me to not publicly talk about the issues I have experienced with their equipment and remain "neutral" I can't really go into detail. But let's just say I have only experienced issues with the pneumatics on one press, are leaking or failing pneumatics and air lines a common issue with most presses out there(all brands)?
Like Bink was saying the tone of this thread seems to echo how they do things as a company. If they only understood that this forum, this thread in particular is a potential gold mine of sales contacts. This thread has directly asked for a sales pitch to a point. WHY did they make the press? Are all electric presses the future? Are the faster? Are they more capable? Is their a particular market or niche these are expected to thrive in? What kind of printer will they benefit? Do they address a particular need or issue existing presses miss?
We don't want a "get them while they last! Email or call for details" sales pitch, but I will venture a guess that this is probably the best place for them to have a productive conversation about their product aside from maybe a few of the ISS shows. Ya there may be some criticism, but that can lead to product and company improvements if handled properly. Call me crazy or extreme, but I feel we have a rather "elite" group of members and visitors on this site. People like Rich at M&R and Paul at Workhorse(yes I am leaving out probably a dozen others) have realized that and CONTINUE to participate in conversations, they advertise so we can continue to have this great site, and it gets noticed and they get business from it. They don't just hop in with a new screen name and respond to a issue or a negative blip. Their continued contributions here are appreciated and it makes their products more understood. Then we as a group don't bat around assumptions about their products, we are well informed.
Well I have been on long enough of a rant and been on my phone all through my breakfast time! Sound like McDonald's breakfast is in my plans now this morning! ;)
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Having both an all Pneumatic and a Servo/AC press I can tell you I am much much more scared about something electrical crapping out and its cost to replace versus almost anything Pneumatic. Pneumatics are easy to diagnose and fix, and really easy to source parts for. A stroke cylinder on a print head is nothing compared to replacing an AC motor or the electronic controller. Not saying I dislike any of it I would never want to go back to all Pneumatics but there is a difference in a big way.
A while back I had something propriatary go on our press and we lost one full week because it was not a part that you can buy anywhere and it was not something that can be diagnosed in any easy way.
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A while back I had something propriatary go on our press and we lost one full week because it was not a part that you can buy anywhere and it was not something that can be diagnosed in any easy way.
WOWz a week of downtime.
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Here's my point. Don't come out here or anywhere and say buy my product it's awesome and not back it up whith why it's awesome. If you make a statement explain why you think it's a great product even go as far as discussing its possible shortcomings and why the benefits outweigh the shortcomings. Have persons who use the product maybe chime in. Comments and discussion will only improve the product and if the mfg looks at the data and willing to make some changes everyone is better off.
If it was as easy as saying buy my product it's awesome and everyone did we would all be rolling in it.
I'm not saying the press is scrap and sure there are uses for it but honestly can only see flaws in the whole concept on many levels. Show me I'm wrong, not the first time not the last.
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Am I the only one who saw a strange sentence in TCT's post? I mean WOW!!! I sure wouldn't put it past them to do something like that because silencing the vocal is a lot easier than fixing the reason why people are talking in the first place. That's the reason why there is little to no respect for some manufacturers. They obviously don't do things for the right reasons, it's almost like they've learned how to operate by copying our dirty politicians.
I'd like to spend a few pages talking about this.
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I saw it
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Am I the only one who saw a strange sentence in TCT's post? I mean WOW!!! I sure wouldn't put it past them to do something like that because silencing the vocal is a lot easier than fixing the reason why people are talking in the first place. That's the reason why there is little to no respect for some manufacturers. They obviously don't do things for the right reasons, it's almost like they've learned how to operate by copying our dirty politicians.
I'd like to spend a few pages talking about this.
I saw it. Hell I was not even put in that type of situation by you know who, surprising isn't it.
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Seems like someone not being able to speak is SCREAMING a lot louder than everything everyone is is actually saying. Just my two bits.
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I was told to shutup or I'd be the one paying :) and others who have much more info and details than I do were given money? I got a raw deal.
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Here's my point. Don't come out here or anywhere and say buy my product it's awesome and not back it up whith why it's awesome. If you make a statement explain why you think it's a great product even go as far as discussing its possible shortcomings and why the benefits outweigh the shortcomings. Have persons who use the product maybe chime in. Comments and discussion will only improve the product and if the mfg looks at the data and willing to make some changes everyone is better off.
If it was as easy as saying buy my product it's awesome and everyone did we would all be rolling in it.
I'm not saying the press is scrap and sure there are uses for it but honestly can only see flaws in the whole concept on many levels. Show me I'm wrong, not the first time not the last.
Yet again someone expresses my thoughts more clearly and in fewer words! Man Bink, if I just had you write my post this morning I could of had breakfast at home!!
Am I the only one who saw a strange sentence in TCT's post? I mean WOW!!! I sure wouldn't put it past them to do something like that because silencing the vocal is a lot easier than fixing the reason why people are talking in the first place. That's the reason why there is little to no respect for some manufacturers. They obviously don't do things for the right reasons, it's almost like they've learned how to operate by copying our dirty politicians.
I'd like to spend a few pages talking about this.
Alan I'm not sure how much detail I can go into, there was never any "official" contract. But I am not to talk about my past issues negatively, and while I told them I could not sleep with myself if I became "pro anatol" like they wanted, we agreed on me remaining "neutral".
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Wait, people are being paid and/or told to shut up or remain neutral? Do what?
NOW IM GETTING MY POPCORN.
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I wasn't paid cash, there was a "service" and repair bill to the time of like $6k I believe that was "forgiven" if I remain neutral and stop bashing their product.
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Once again, it's a backwards approach that just seems dirty to try and silence a voice that you don't like what they're saying rather than DO THE RIGHT THING and have people say good things about you for the right reasons. In some countries and more and more in our own country ACCOUNTABILITY isn't as big of a deal and not something people feel is important to have as a core value in their own lives and businesses.
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Wouldn't it had been better for TCT to have gotten the service and repair for free and let him voice what Anatol did for him??? Seems odd to me.
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Of course it would have. It appears to be a case of backpedalling. My experiences with Anatol have been completely unacceptable from a service perspective. From totally having to re-plumb the machine due to inferior air hosing to having to take pictures of the problems due to the techs unfamiliarity of the machine and even getting ahold of them was a problem. The Vinny is a good machine though.
Little pricey.
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Wouldn't it had been better for TCT to have gotten the service and repair for free and let him voice what Anatol did for him??? Seems odd to me.
Exactly.
It's been said before it's not that there is an issue it's how the problem was resolved. Nothing is perfect just step up do the right thing. Honestly I would rather get credit for doing the right thing and eat the bill then live in the shadows. Your going to win some and loose some. Or you could just make sure everything is as close to perfect as possible before leaving the factory floor, just saying.
Why cheap out and use less then perfect parts, you may save a few grand on the manufacturing of the machine but it will come back to bite you in the end. Adding a grand or two to the cost of a machine that someone is willing to drop $50, $70 or $100+ grand is not going to make or break the deal.
I wonder how many others got a "fix" under the assumption things would be kept quiet.
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Making up for things now is a start. IT HAPPENED and I suppose there is no use in dwelling about it now, IF, and only IF, the right things are going to be done from here on out. I'm willing to forgive and move on but many probably wonder why I'm vocal about things that didn't happen directly to me or this shop. For some reason I care about other shops and worry that if the truths aren't voiced openly and honestly that more shops will be hurt and this is something that some shops cannot work out of.
If I bought a $100K press and it didn't work right for 6 months we'd be in trouble. It would cost us thousands, 6 figures if it lingered for months and most of those customers will be gone forever, you can't quantify that. I don't know if it would drown us because I'd probably do whatever it took to get through it where others might throw in the towel before I would.
I do understand the standpoint of "false negative" posts made from people with an ax to grind that the equipment manufacturer did all the right things and they are still getting the bad end of the stick. It's important for us to look at the whole when researching a company and if Anatol has 20 happy customers and 1 unhappy, then I think most of us would consider that a good track record. I know guys get sort of butt-whipped by many of the M&R lovers that are all over the place but when it all comes down to it, things have been done to earn that reputation and everyone of us would love to be thought of on that level.
I've long said some good things about the Anatol machines. I've always thought they had a great set of features on the autos and I still stand behind that. Where can you get a servo/AC press with that many print head functions and a touch screen control panel for $30K? But we all know why guys like me have been critical and I don't think that criticism should be silenced just because they don't like it. It should be silenced because they don't do business that way any longer and issues are dealt with with the customer's best interest in mind and if that happens, they will reap the rewards of doing things the right way. Big Blue is living proof of that. I've always felt that they were almost there, so close that it was even more of a tragedy that the ball was dropped at the last second. A lot of my criticism comes from disappointment that they were so close and the ball is sailing over the fence only for it to not count because they were out of the batter's box. Imagine a press with more features and stellar customer support competing with M&R and what type of competition that would breed. Rich won't stand by and let someone pass them by and guess who would be the winners of that competition? That's right.
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I would be interested in your opinion if M&R was to introduce an all electric press. I would like the idea, just to minimize the use of extra equipment that could fail. We do use air in the shop and really can't get away from it, but would prefer a smaller compressor. The real issue for me is, do I trust Anatol. I think for Anatol to have long term success in the US is to deal with issues before they hit the boards. For this to happen there has to be a top down mentality to fix problems fast and earn respect in the market place for standing behind their products. Hoffman as the owner of the company makes this personal (I want to be the best) the same way many of you do each day.
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What most people might not know is that Anatol had a life before making presses. They were and are world class robotics and automation manufacturers. They have automation and robotics in many "house hold" name plants. So I would have no problem trusting their technology.
You're talking about 2 different companies Sonny. One is 10 years gone.
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I would be interested in your opinion if M&R was to introduce an all electric press. I would like the idea, just to minimize the use of extra equipment that could fail. We do use air in the shop and really can't get away from it, but would prefer a smaller compressor. The real issue for me is, do I trust Anatol. I think for Anatol to have long term success in the US is to deal with issues before they hit the boards. For this to happen there has to be a top down mentality to fix problems fast and earn respect in the market place for standing behind their products. Hoffman as the owner of the company makes this personal (I want to be the best) the same way many of you do each day.
I think Rich was pretty forward about that not happening.
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This thread has gone crazy, I wish I was a rep for Anatol because I hit you guys right in the mouth with all the info you ask for, leave nothing to ask me later. Paul was great to work with when he was at Anatol and yet he still did not have all the answers, but did 100% to get you where you needed to be, do Anatol need more people like him yes!!. I'm sure other companies have had there demon's if you look back a few years, but M&R has set the bar pretty high and you guys look for every other company to be just like them...ain't going to happen captain. I said this once if not a thousand times Rich came from a service background and took M&R in that direction which has been very good for them, but I'm willing to bet if other companies started doing the same thing some of you would still have a problem with that or I could be wrong. Reading this post I've only heard of a few of you that have owned or used and Anatol press TCT we've spoke (email) and I know his problem with them and I side with him, but Anatol will be who they are and the equipment will make or break them.
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One more thing I have the most respect for Rich and M&R, I have an older M&R dryer and was having problems and who calls, Rich and offered help. Mr. Anatol on the other hand is not a service guy and not hands on with people he is an engineer by trade I'm told and puts his energy into that, but both companies have reach out to help me and I for one would like to see both doing good.
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"The other thing I keep reading is "no pneumatics". This is a gray area for me, since anatol has compensated me to not publicly talk about the issues I have experienced with their equipment and remain "neutral" I can't really go into detail. But let's just say I have only experienced issues with the pneumatics on one press, are leaking or failing pneumatics and air lines a common issue with most presses out there(all brands)?" :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X
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You didn't have to own or ride in the Cadillac Cimarron to know it was one of the worst vehicles ever made. Or a Renault, or a Ford Pinto, Yugo, Lincoln Blackwood, any Sterling ever made.
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You didn't have to own or ride in the Cadillac Cimarron to know it was one of the worst vehicles ever made. Or a Renault, or a Ford Pinto, Yugo, Lincoln Blackwood, any Sterling ever made.
Come on Alan, you know you want to be pimpin in a Chevette Hatchback, laaaaaaaaaaid back!!
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Or a Pontiac Aztec, PT Cruiser, sooner or later I'm gonna hit on a car that someone on this forum drives and feelings are gonna get hurt so I better stop now.
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"The other thing I keep reading is "no pneumatics". This is a gray area for me, since anatol has compensated me to not publicly talk about the issues I have experienced with their equipment and remain "neutral" I can't really go into detail. But let's just say I have only experienced issues with the pneumatics on one press, are leaking or failing pneumatics and air lines a common issue with most presses out there(all brands)?" :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X
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Or a Pontiac Aztec, PT Cruiser, sooner or later I'm gonna hit on a car that someone on this forum drives and feelings are gonna get hurt so I better stop now.
I love this one, hahahhaha
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Or a Pontiac Aztec, PT Cruiser, sooner or later I'm gonna hit on a car that someone on this forum drives and feelings are gonna get hurt so I better stop now.
Aztec was TERRIBLE.
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I can't be mad at you knuckle's cuz yall's shonuff funny ;D Alan don't forget the Pacer a turtle with wheels LOL.
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You didn't have to own or ride in the Cadillac Cimarron to know it was one of the worst vehicles ever made. Or a Renault, or a Ford Pinto, Yugo, Lincoln Blackwood, any Sterling ever made.
Come on Alan, you know you want to be pimpin in a Chevette Hatchback, laaaaaaaaaaid back!!
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i prefer the Pontiac T1000 - sporty version of the Chevette :)
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You didn't have to own or ride in the Cadillac Cimarron to know it was one of the worst vehicles ever made. Or a Renault, or a Ford Pinto, Yugo, Lincoln Blackwood, any Sterling ever made.
Damnit Alan I owned a 1990 Renault Fuego GTA Max, it was one bad zzz car, super fast and fun to drive.
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I would be interested in your opinion if M&R was to introduce an all electric press. I would like the idea, just to minimize the use of extra equipment that could fail. We do use air in the shop and really can't get away from it, but would prefer a smaller compressor. The real issue for me is, do I trust Anatol. I think for Anatol to have long term success in the US is to deal with issues before they hit the boards. For this to happen there has to be a top down mentality to fix problems fast and earn respect in the market place for standing behind their products. Hoffman as the owner of the company makes this personal (I want to be the best) the same way many of you do each day.
I think Rich was pretty forward about that not happening.
It will never happen on my watch!
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Reading this post I've only heard of a few of you that have owned or used and Anatol press TCT we've spoke (email) and I know his problem with them and I side with him, but Anatol will be who they are and the equipment will make or break them.
We run Anatol. They helped me out with my last issue, bad switch on the dryer.
My little .02 regarding M&R money back guarantee, if Anatol would of had one and would honor it. I would have sent our press and dryer back along with our exposure unit.
Chris
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Reading this post I've only heard of a few of you that have owned or used and Anatol press TCT we've spoke (email) and I know his problem with them and I side with him, but Anatol will be who they are and the equipment will make or break them.
We run Anatol. They helped me out with my last issue, bad switch on the dryer.
My little .02 regarding M&R money back guarantee, if Anatol would of had one and would honor it. I would have sent our press and dryer back along with our exposure unit.
Chris
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Reading this post I've only heard of a few of you that have owned or used and Anatol press TCT we've spoke (email) and I know his problem with them and I side with him, but Anatol will be who they are and the equipment will make or break them.
We run Anatol. They helped me out with my last issue, bad switch on the dryer.
My little .02 regarding M&R money back guarantee, if Anatol would of had one and would honor it. I would have sent our press and dryer back along with our exposure unit.
Chris
Wowz.
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Ha! looks like I dropped a firecracker and then ran away and worked all day ;D
I know this sounds hard to believe and I may have gone about it the wrong way but the majority of my comments were to attempt to "open" peoples eyes at anatol. Unfortunately they only seem to appear when there is mud with their name being slung. If manufacturers understood how valuable it is to participate in a WORTHY forum like this one I think they would see their bottom line increase along with general "good" information about their products. I SERIOUSLY have wanted to know if a all electric press is going to be something we were going to be seeing more of, or if they are a great idea for someone starting out. I have a few friends locally that have shops and hope to grow to autos one day and they ask me(may be a HUGE mistake) my opinions and what to expect. Neither one has ever been to a ISS show or anything so if I can give them a cliffs notes about stuff I do. Also, like Alan has mentioned I seem to "care" that other shops getting into things do their research and like to help if at all possible. You guys remember Kwan or whatever who wanted a S.Roque right out of the gate and had a lot of learning to do? We all kind of jumped in and guided him(for the record if anyone is counting I did tell him my opinion for him was to go with a M&R :D ) But that dude went from wanting a S.Roque to discovering a Brown was right for him, talk about your 180's! :D Point is I think a lot of the reasons I post on these boards is because I had found the information here and back in TSPMB days invaluable and I hope others continue to down the road.
Wouldn't it had been better for TCT to have gotten the service and repair for free and let him voice what Anatol did for him??? Seems odd to me.
Exactly.
Not sure if you guys remember but a little under a year ago I posted on here about my issues with anatol, I was posting emails and everything to try to hold them accountable. At the same time I literately told them I am underhanding you a pitch you guys can chose to hit it out of the park(publicly say that they would address my long standing issues) or let it drop at your feet(do nothing). They chose to go a VERY odd route and stepped into the pitch(sorry about all the baseball references, the game is on tv now ;D ) and requested any further communication be private. Whatever, that was their call.
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That was my hold point years ago when I first bought my Anatol was to get them to come on the forum here and talk. Maybe I'm just one of the lucky ones that got a pretty good Anatol press and happy with it or I just hadn't played with enough brands of auto's to know the difference. If Anatol choose not to take this opportunity here and shine what more can you say or do but to shut up and get back to work.
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It is well known and understood across the industry that the Anatol sales guys either don't know or can't explain exactly how their presses function or work. Is it a break down in communication on Anatol's part? Lack of training? Lack of management? Probably yes to all. Maybe they should have a tech/sales training session where they teach the sales guys how the presses work, not just run down the bulleted feature list.
Are we a little more geeky here on theshirtboard than the average screen printer? Without a doubt, yes.
Remember the thread/threads about Sroque and their chain drive indexing? Everyone and their grandmother wanted to know why a "bicycle" chain was used to index their presses. Fear immediately emerged from old precision oval users, "the chain's gonna stretch", "horrible design", etc etc. The engineering behind their drive/registration system is no where near the same as an old oval but the fear had already set in. We're all anxiously waiting to cast further judgement on the Volt...
I still want to see the linkage/motor for the choppers on the Volt because I'm a geeky person. I bet Randy at theOTS has already installed a few, could probably call him and ask all the questions you'd like and he'd know the answers.
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I think the Volt basically appeals to zero people on THIS site. It may have a market though, but I just don't get it. If I was a Anatol fan I don't know why I wouldn't just get a Titan and a air compressor or go for the Horizon.
What is the rough cost on the Volt?
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I always lean towards the fact that air has almost always played a role in a press's function for a good reason. Printing the way we print air is essential and I believe it is essential to print plastisol properly. We can go into all the details on that another time but without the infinite amounts of pressure we have to choose from in our chopper cylinders I know we would not be able to do the things we want to do with a print. If there is somehow a way to provide that same pressure electrically and have that much control over how hard that blade is pushing down then I might give it a listen. For those shops that don't operate the way we do the all electric press may be perfectly fine, I have no problem with it and I won't try to talk anyone out of it.
Like others have said, we use air for so many things that a large compressor is essential to our operation. I love servo indexers and AC print heads but I also love being able to control the exact amount of squeegee pressure as well and we have all three of those on our press.
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I can't believe that nobody has mentioned the screen locking of pneumatic vs screw down yet...
before I converted the heads on my javelin to have pneumatic clamps for the screens, registration was a royal pita. just the action of cinching down the screens with the turn knobs would shift things... I did a butt-register job last night with no choke, and didn't have to touch the micros. and that was NOT using any kind of screen registration jig. Trying to hold the screen in place while screwing down clamps would have been extremely difficult, if not impossible.
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I think the Volt basically appeals to zero people on THIS site. It may have a market though, but I just don't get it. If I was a Anatol fan I don't know why I wouldn't just get a Titan and a air compressor or go for the Horizon.
What is the rough cost on the Volt?
Do remember, that like with most forums, active participants are a small percentage of membership, and at most times, guests are almost twice the number of registered users online.
So, I do think that many T Shirt Forum type beginners do see our discussions (perhaps, much to the chagrin of some manufacturers and distributors)
Though it's great that we have attracted such a sophisticated and discerning membership, as we are the go-to place for intermediate and advanced printers, I notice great participation when Newbies do find us and ask their questions.
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It's great that the up and comers have all you guys and gals to look to for good solid information, thus forming their own opinion. Man, to have had something like this 25 years ago......
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I think the Volt basically appeals to zero people on THIS site. It may have a market though, but I just don't get it. If I was a Anatol fan I don't know why I wouldn't just get a Titan and a air compressor or go for the Horizon.
What is the rough cost on the Volt?
Do remember, that like with most forums, active participants are a small percentage of membership, and at most times, guests are almost twice the number of registered users online.
So, I do think that many T Shirt Forum type beginners do see our discussions (perhaps, much to the chagrin of some manufacturers and distributors)
Though it's great that we have attracted such a sophisticated and discerning membership, as we are the go-to place for intermediate and advanced printers, I notice great participation when Newbies do find us and ask their questions.
Ive run a bunch of forums, so I get it for sure. But I think when they dodge questions and you see a bunch of really smart people saying it's not got much of a place or they can't even explain it's place in the market at least in a way that makes sense then these people will be able to read between the lines.
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It sure is fun reading about this press. This thread is about a press, right?
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So let me understand this. TCT claims that he was paid off to keep quiet about some horrible experience with an Anatol press.....but now he isnt keeping up his end of the deal and not only bad mouthing the company but implying a bribe. Shouldnt they get their money back? lol . Something smells fishy about this story.
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So let me understand this. TCT claims that he was paid off to keep quiet about some horrible experience with an Anatol press.....but now he isnt keeping up his end of the deal and not only bad mouthing the company but implying a bribe. Shouldnt they get their money back? lol . Something smells fishy about this story.
Nothing fishy about TCT. He's a good guy, trying to do what's right, in a bad situation that's no fault of his own.
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So Paul...you too are accusing Anatol of bribing TCT? I think this is something you should be very careful about doing as a rep. Dont you?
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So Paul...you too are accusing Anatol of bribing TCT? I think this is something you should be very careful about doing as a rep. Dont you?
You should be careful about speaking for me.
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ha this is crazy. Anatol would do so much better getting someone on here to speak about their products and service even it was compensated instead of trying to keep people hush.
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So Boy, what would you have done in TCT's situation? Going back to the beginning though, not just the recent problems he's faced with? He was put in a bad situation in more than one way and he's been nothing but honest. If he was compensated it should have been because fixing his equipment was the right thing to do and the compensation should have never been to keep something quiet. That's just a bad deal and nobody should be put in that situation from a manufacturer. Open and honest is the best policy, which TCT has been.
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Mattress sales slow?
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Mattress sales slow?
LOL!
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Just seems to be that TCTs accusations are very, very serious and yet you all just take it for granted that they are true. I mean...come on. Thats a big deal and you guys just go along like its nothing. Very strange.
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Mattress sales slow?
Daaaaaaahqhahahahahhahahqhqhqhqhqhhqhhahahaha
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Mattress sales slow?
I almost died when I read that. Hahahahha
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Just seems to be that TCTs accusations are very, very serious and yet you all just take it for granted that they are true. I mean...come on. Thats a big deal and you guys just go along like its nothing. Very strange.
What is there to gain by him sharing his experience in public if it were completely false, or even fabricated in smaller ways? Why would someone make something like that up? When someone accuses an innocent person of something you expect a certain behavior from the innocent and when they exhibit a totally different behavior you then have to start asking questions. Sure, innocent people have acted guilty and the guilty have certainly tried to act innocent, but under completely different circumstances where there was something on the line. There is so much to lose for TCT by telling lies about something like that and if you look at each party's behavior to the situation things become a lot more clear to me. Maybe you've lurked here and have put in a lot of time into the industry and what goes on here versus some of us, but I doubt it.
Occam's Razor
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Mattress sales slow?
hahaha, that's the line of the year there..., almost spit my beer out
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Reasons to believe TCT:
1. I remember his posting about his problems a while back, therefore the issue is not made up.
2. He has no motivation to make anything up.
3. If his goal was to bash the company falsely there would be more easily believable ways to do so.
Reasons to not believe TCT:
1. Yeah, I'm drawing a blank.
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"Occam's Razor" perfect use, haven't heard that expression in a long time.
Bottom line TCT had an issue since day one, Anatol corrected the problem then politely asked that the whole situation would not be discussed in a public forum. Plain and simple. Personally IMO any deal struck between the two parties is between the themselves and really as long as the issue was resolved TCT doesn't have anything to complain about.
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Heck, the Anatol slammers here don't even need TCT or his situation to launch their attacks whenever Anatol is discussed here. This thread is evidence.
They always seem to answer the non-call.
It's the reason that Anatol does not even want to come here regularly to attempt to build good will. They know that they will be slammed!
It appears that TAS America is handling some service now, and even when they popped in, they were insulted.
So, don't be surprised if they have been chased away as well.
Perhaps it's a fine line sometimes, but there is a distinct difference between meaningful, thoughtful critique, and the virtual gang stomp style slam fest we see here.
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Sorry guys, it has been a REAL nice day here in MN and me and my son(almost 3) did a TON of yard work and he "helped" fix our tractor. Just when I think he may be advanced, after lunch he proceeded to drink water out of the dogs bowl outside! :):):):):) Days like this make it hard to realize tomorrow is Monday:(
OK so now for Metalboys questions and accusations, here's the deal dude-
My original "public call for help" months ago, had 2.5 goals...
1) Publicly call anatol out and see if they may fix issues I had since day one, so I could sell my equipment and not have it be a pain for the next owner. Last thing I wanted was to screw another printer over.
2) Publicly(notice a pattern here) make a google searchable review/experience so that other people that are deciding on a press, could take this into account and make sure they can double check some things. It would be nice if no one had to experience what I did. anatol theoretically can make changes so it dose not happen again, it would be a good move for them and would also be a good thing for new customers.
2.5) I had been pissed off at them for so long, I wanted to give them a big middle finger.
anatol decided to "service" my equipment, but wanted to keep it all quiet and not public. That is fine, not a decision I would of made in their place but that's what they wanted to do.
I was never paid money, my "service" bill was forgiven if I did 2 things-
1) Not publicly talk about the problems I had with my equipment anymore.
2) I agreed to remain vocally "neutral" about their company.
Now I will admit I have walked a VERY thin line, but I feel that I have not slammed them anywhere near what I used to. If they don't like it, they can contact me and let me know. Hell, they are reading this thread as much as everyone else!
MetalDude if you still find my claim fishy contact anatol, ask for Christine Napacorn(spelling may be wrong) PM me if you would like her contact info.
A note to Baron265, alan802, Binkspot, and Prozyan- thanks for the kind words and support guys, that meant a lot to me.
Metalboy, let me know if you have any other questions. I don't have anything to hide, and nothing to pedal either unless you need some printed shirts....:P
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Heck, the Anatol slammers here don't even need TCT or his situation to launch their attacks whenever Anatol is discussed here. This thread is evidence.
They always seem to answer the non-call.
It's the reason that Anatol does not even want to come here regularly to attempt to build good will. They know that they will be slammed!
It appears that TAS America is handling some service now, and even when they popped in, they were insulted.
So, don't be surprised if they have been chased away as well.
Perhaps it'si a fine line sometimes, but there is a distinct difference between meaningful, thoughtful critique, and the virtual gang stomp style slam fest we see here.
Agreed. I only hope anyone reading all this will pick up on it.
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Heck, the Anatol slammers here don't even need TCT or his situation to launch their attacks whenever Anatol is discussed here. This thread is evidence.
They always seem to answer the non-call.
It's the reason that Anatol does not even want to come here regularly to attempt to build good will. They know that they will be slammed!
It appears that TAS America is handling some service now, and even when they popped in, they were insulted.
So, don't be surprised if they have been chased away as well.
Perhaps it's a fine line sometimes, but there is a distinct difference between meaningful, thoughtful critique, and the virtual gang stomp style slam fest we see here.
Now if we could just run off politicians that easy.
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It's the reason that Anatol does not even want to come here regularly to attempt to build good will. They know that they will be slammed!
It appears that TAS America is handling some service now, and even when they popped in, they were insulted.
So, don't be surprised if they have been chased away as well.
Perhaps it's a fine line sometimes, but there is a distinct difference between meaningful, thoughtful critique, and the virtual gang stomp style slam fest we see here.
I agree with you here Frog, to be fair though the saying "they made their bed now time to lay in it" comes to mind.... But imagine what massive leaps could be had if anatol(or any company for that matter) stayed around for longer than a week or a month like so many do. Yes, the person would have to have thick skin, but it would show a commitment that things may have changed. Address comments, issues, and problems. While that may be a long and hard road, the symbolism of that would be big.
Heck after a while if actual participation they could even probably post product updates that would be meaningful. anatol was probably(I said probably I could be wrong) ahead of all manufactures when they released their UI(think it was/is called Pegasus, I could be wrong again) seems like that was the real first customizable touch screen UI, but it went pretty much not acknowledged.
I notice, I imagine others do too, when a company shows up for a week or a month of publicity or participation and then is gone. It may be a up hill battle for some companies, but a member or company that remains active here and had something to contribute gets noticed. Alan from Murakami for example, I actually look forward to posts from him because they always seem to be chalked full of good info.
This is all just my opinion, so take it for what it's worth...
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Heck, the Anatol slammers here don't even need TCT or his situation to launch their attacks whenever Anatol is discussed here. This thread is evidence.
They always seem to answer the non-call.
It's the reason that Anatol does not even want to come here regularly to attempt to build good will. They know that they will be slammed!
It appears that TAS America is handling some service now, and even when they popped in, they were insulted.
So, don't be surprised if they have been chased away as well.
Perhaps it'si a fine line sometimes, but there is a distinct difference between meaningful, thoughtful critique, and the virtual gang stomp style slam fest we see here.
Agreed. I only hope anyone reading all this will pick up on it.
This post has been a learning experience to say the least. We are asked to come on this form to discuss our products and services. Namely the Volt, (in this thread) instead of a healthy discussion, the thread turned into a 'bash Anatol thread". We have heard from our competition making comments that are non-related to the advantages to the thread. I will set the record straight about three things;
1. The Volt is an amazing automatic screen printing press. It's advanced technology is far superior than anything on the market. It is energy efficient, (52 % more efficient over a all pneumatic press) a very quiet performer, offers digital off center contact with many settings, (not just three), trouble free and almost maintenance free, holds registration better and longer. I have just started to name a few benefits. I would be more than happy to direct any serious inquires to our customers who are already enjoying the superior screen printing experience. It has been asked "who is the market for this press". This answer is simple; it is designed for those shops making the transition from manual to automatic press to the shop that has the need for a large 20x 28 print area. The storefront business that doesn't want the noise of a air compressor and chiller, to the company that wants speed and value, but most of all to the discriminating shop who knows quality and embarrasses technology at its best.. We have configurations for every shops need, from large business to small.
2. We have never ever 'paid" to silence people who 'criticize the company. We have asked that issue remain between us and the company having an issue. It serves no advantage to company having an issue or to us to "fight" on this or any public form. I have a deep admiration for those who like and defend the equipment that they paid for with sweet and blood. There are a number of available choices in the marketplace, please ask yourself what is best for my shop. As far as being "chased away" I have no intention of being chased away from serious concerns or questions from serious people. Will I have a 'fight" or a negative dialogue with people on this form, the answer is no, I don't believe that benefits anyone. I do welcome any mature discussion concerning issues that affect your shop!
3. To our competition:
I have great respect and admiration for the industry and the accomplishments each and everyone one of you have made during the years. Advancement of technology and service only serves our customers better. Making us all better, serving the screen printers needs is what we are all trying to accomplish. Is there a need to 'hijack" threads to further your own agenda, I would hope not.
Pioneers are often criticized when they step away from the norm. Years ago the industry questioned the use of touch screens and onboard computers replacing toggle switches. Today no one speaks of
toggle switches, onboard computers and touch screens are common place, it's now considered an industry standard. Anatol Equipment was the first to implement these advancements.
The electric press and servo technology is here today. Is Anatol again setting a new industry standard?
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I am locking this thread and was glad to see Anatol respond on a positive note. We (TSB Admin) have some indication they are turning things around and hope they utilize the board to aid them in their endeavor.
Please note that piling on with past issues is making it difficult for them to move forward. Let's give them the opportunity to get better.
thanx,
three stoogies