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screen printing => Screen Making => Topic started by: Shanarchy on June 02, 2014, 01:15:02 PM
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What's everyone using for film these days?
I've always been more partial to non-wp. Does anyone still use that, or is everyone waterproof now?
It seems non-wp is getting tougher to find. I've just about finished up using a ton of the old Fast Films I bough a while back.
What are you using and why?
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What's everyone using for film these days?
I've always been more partial to non-wp. Does anyone still use that, or is everyone waterproof now?
It seems non-wp is getting tougher to find. I've just about finished up using a ton of the old Fast Films I bough a while back.
What are you using and why?
try the Nazdar stuff, great price and pretty decent film. We use it for 95% of our stuff.
pierre
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I'm using a wp film from inkjetfilm.com had problem with one box, but nothing else since, price is pretty good too.
Darryl
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We used Fixxons for a long time, but lately, I've been buying Ulano WP from Garston Sign (we negotiated a good price). I know you're somewhat in my geographical neighborhood, so get in touch with Paul Geswell there...
Steve
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We used Fixxons for a long time, but lately, I've been buying Ulano WP from Garston Sign (we negotiated a good price). I know you're somewhat in my geographical neighborhood, so get in touch with Paul Geswell there...
Steve
Ulano film tested pretty good too! (At least the stuff I checked).
pierre
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we've been using Fixxons films for a couple of years! Works great!
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What's everyone using for film these days?
I've always been more partial to non-wp. Does anyone still use that, or is everyone waterproof now?
It seems non-wp is getting tougher to find. I've just about finished up using a ton of the old Fast Films I bough a while back.
What are you using and why?
Which Nazdar stuff? It looks like there is a few different items on their website.
try the Nazdar stuff, great price and pretty decent film. We use it for 95% of our stuff.
pierre
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What's everyone using for film these days?
I've always been more partial to non-wp. Does anyone still use that, or is everyone waterproof now?
It seems non-wp is getting tougher to find. I've just about finished up using a ton of the old Fast Films I bough a while back.
What are you using and why?
Which Nazdar stuff? It looks like there is a few different items on their website.
try the Nazdar stuff, great price and pretty decent film. We use it for 95% of our stuff.
pierre
$59 for a roll of 17x100
take off 2-3% in your linearisation table and you'll be golden.
pierre
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what's the difference in quality of films?
I understand the difference between the 4mill and the 5mill stuff, especially on printers that need the extra 'thickness' to grab and not stretch the film.
but otherwise... is there a difference in dot resolution? I know that the Fixxons that use when viewed under 200x microscope, you can see the 'spray' of the inkjet dots... but I just assumed that was part of the nature of the beast.
something else I'm missing?
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what's the difference in quality of films?
I understand the difference between the 4mill and the 5mill stuff, especially on printers that need the extra 'thickness' to grab and not stretch the film.
but otherwise... is there a difference in dot resolution? I know that the Fixxons that use when viewed under 200x microscope, you can see the 'spray' of the inkjet dots... but I just assumed that was part of the nature of the beast.
something else I'm missing?
as with anything else, it is easy to reach certain level, but improvements beyond it are expensive. Think this way, you can spend 20% to get 80% of the way, but you will pay 80% to get the last 20% of improvement. he closer you are to the perfection, more expensive it is to improve.
with that in mind, most any film will work fine and FIXXONS seemed OK. I printed a couple of pieces and did not see any glaring problems with it (but did not run any tests).
Better film will give you better gain control among other things. The WP layer that absorbs the ink will cause it to wick and spread out. This will also, in some cases, degrade the shape of the dot. Better film will hold the dot the size it's supposed to be rather than spreading out. I have also seen film wick and bleed over time after it's sat on the shelf for a few weeks. Trying to reproduce those halftones later is asking for trouble and you could spend time on the press trying to figure out what some dot's are now too big or they suddenly show up! Actually, the ghosting was over a point wide, which would turn your but registration into overprinting!
For any decent film the difference is pretty negligible. I doubt that the difference between my high end film and the cheaper stuff is visible in the print, but. . . at what point do you start accepting acceptable and start stacking the problems on top of each other (compounding them)???
pierre
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What's everyone using for film these days?
I've always been more partial to non-wp. Does anyone still use that, or is everyone waterproof now?
It seems non-wp is getting tougher to find. I've just about finished up using a ton of the old Fast Films I bough a while back.
What are you using and why?
Which Nazdar stuff? It looks like there is a few different items on their website.
try the Nazdar stuff, great price and pretty decent film. We use it for 95% of our stuff.
pierre
Shane: The film that Pierre is referencing is listed on the Tech Data Sheet and Screen capture attached. $59.04 for a 17" x 100' roll.
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inkjetfilm.net $60 free shipping
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Glad I don't have to buy that crap anymore!!!! I-Image babeeee ;D Sorry had to do it
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inkjetfilm.net here as well.
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me too
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before you talk about film..
you need to know what kind of ink is in your printer.
Dye based inks = Non WP films
Pigment based inks = WP films
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Chromaline AccuFast
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we've been using Fixxons films for a couple of years! Works great!
Ditto
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We have used Fixxon, inkjetfilm.net and goldupusa.com for they are all about the same.
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Thanks Peter. I use an Epson 1400, I can not use rolls (that I know of). Is it also available in cut sizes?
John, my ink is dye base, so I can use either. Which do you use, or suggest?
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John, my ink is dye base, so I can use either. Which do you use, or suggest?
I landed on the non-wp with dye.
I liked that the film was clear and exposed better on weaker light sources.
just don't get it wet ;D
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Thanks Peter. I use an Epson 1400, I can not use rolls (that I know of). Is it also available in cut sizes?
John, my ink is dye base, so I can use either. Which do you use, or suggest?
Shane: Sorry but the Nazdar ImageStar film is only available in rolls at this time. In any case you have received some good film recommendations from the other board members that I'm sure are available in sheets.
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I notice in the discussion that some water proof films discussed can be used with pigment or dye ink, I use Fixon and it says dye ink use, and I use black max ink. I occasionally see the ink migration thing going on but it takes sometimes a few days to show up, not a big deal as i usually do the printing of a design one time. I use an Epson 3000 and 9600 i have have the ink setting turned down as low as i can (I think) to cut down on the ink applied, BUT got to thinking what affects the chemistry of the ink on the film. #1 Humidity and this time of the year I have to fire up the de-humidifier, as my film sticks to the screens the glass etc. and this is when I see the migration the most. But it would be nice to have a film that eliminated the migration issue for one.
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John, my ink is dye base, so I can use either. Which do you use, or suggest?
I landed on the non-wp with dye.
I liked that the film was clear and exposed better on weaker light sources.
just don't get it wet ;D
I also prefer the non-wp for those reasons. Quicker exposure time and I feel that clear films would give you a better contrast to expose halftones and fine details easier. (that could be an incorrect theory).
I've had no issues with getting them wet, so am not too concerned.
What brand are you using/recommend?
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I notice in the discussion that some water proof films discussed can be used with pigment or dye ink, I use Fixon and it says dye ink use, and I use black max ink. I occasionally see the ink migration thing going on but it takes sometimes a few days to show up, not a big deal as i usually do the printing of a design one time. I use an Epson 3000 and 9600 i have have the ink setting turned down as low as i can (I think) to cut down on the ink applied, BUT got to thinking what affects the chemistry of the ink on the film. #1 Humidity and this time of the year I have to fire up the de-humidifier, as my film sticks to the screens the glass etc. and this is when I see the migration the most. But it would be nice to have a film that eliminated the migration issue for one.
When I was using waterproof (Fixxons) I would rub a light amount of baby powder on the back of the screen before setting the film to it. This solved the sticking issues. In New England and an old mill building it can get pretty humid.
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I also prefer the non-wp for those reasons. Quicker exposure time and I feel that clear films would give you a better contrast to expose halftones and fine details easier. (that could be an incorrect theory).
I've had no issues with getting them wet, so am not too concerned.
What brand are you using/recommend?
I was able to image and expose a 3% dot on my higher mesh screens using blacklight bulbs with dye and non-wp films.
When using the same art on wp film, i was not able to hold less than a 5% dot.
I was using stuff4printers Winsor film which is pretty much the same as the fixxons film.
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This is what you were using John?
http://stuff4print.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=43_28 (http://stuff4print.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=43_28)
Also, does anyone have any experience with Acorn (waterproof) film? If so how does that rank against other films?
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This is what you were using John?
[url]http://stuff4print.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=43_28[/url] ([url]http://stuff4print.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=43_28[/url])
Also, does anyone have any experience with Acorn (waterproof) film? If so how does that rank against other films?
Acorn is our go to film for the high end prints.
pierre
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This is what you were using John?
[url]http://stuff4print.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=43_28[/url] ([url]http://stuff4print.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=43_28[/url])
Also, does anyone have any experience with Acorn (waterproof) film? If so how does that rank against other films?
Acorn is our go to film for the high end prints.
pierre
Very good to know Pierre! I know you did a lot of research on film a while back. I ordered in a box to hold me over the other day. Do you not use these as your everyday film for cost savings on the less detailed work?
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This is what you were using John?
[url]http://stuff4print.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=43_28[/url] ([url]http://stuff4print.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=43_28[/url])
Also, does anyone have any experience with Acorn (waterproof) film? If so how does that rank against other films?
Acorn is our go to film for the high end prints.
pierre
Very good to know Pierre! I know you did a lot of research on film a while back. I ordered in a box to hold me over the other day. Do you not use these as your everyday film for cost savings on the less detailed work?
we pay $80 or so for a 13x100 compared to $59 for 17x100. Acorn gains a little less, but the cost savings is justified with Nazdar's film. We use the Acorn when we run out to tie us over and when doing high level sim process. Our RIP has multiple queues and one is set/linearized up for each type of work we do (film and resolution choices).
what are you paying for the Acorn film? Can you get me the pricing?
pierre
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This is what you were using John?
Yep that's the stuff.
I was using JetBlack dye ink from Netemagine (filmoutputsolutions.com) as it was the darkest ink I've ever used over the years.
http://www.filmoutputsolutions.com/dyeink#bulk_1 (http://www.filmoutputsolutions.com/dyeink#bulk_1)
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This is what you were using John?
[url]http://stuff4print.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=43_28[/url] ([url]http://stuff4print.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=43_28[/url])
Also, does anyone have any experience with Acorn (waterproof) film? If so how does that rank against other films?
Acorn is our go to film for the high end prints.
pierre
Very good to know Pierre! I know you did a lot of research on film a while back. I ordered in a box to hold me over the other day. Do you not use these as your everyday film for cost savings on the less detailed work?
we pay $80 or so for a 13x100 compared to $59 for 17x100. Acorn gains a little less, but the cost savings is justified with Nazdar's film. We use the Acorn when we run out to tie us over and when doing high level sim process. Our RIP has multiple queues and one is set/linearized up for each type of work we do (film and resolution choices).
what are you paying for the Acorn film? Can you get me the pricing?
pierre
I paid $94.90 for a box of 100 13x19 WP.
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I have to give a shout out to Cam at inkjetfilm.net.
Bought a few boxes from them after maverick graphics went out and they were not the right fit for my shop. BUT, Cam over there went above and beyond to make it right!
Lots of ppl are very happy with them and I will say their customer service is top notch, so I would still recommend giving them a shot.
I emailed about 4 other places after to get samples, only spot color supply and fixxons sent out sample packs, looks like Brannon and Scott will likely be getting my film business.
I just wish I knew where I could get our old film from now that Brad is out. :(
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Reading some of this had me concerned.
I've got a Epson 3000 (dye) and an HP9800 (pigment). and have printed Fixxons waterproof on both.
According to their website, their waterproof film works for both dye and pigment. Whew!
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Reading some of this had me concerned.
I've got a Epson 3000 (dye) and an HP9800 (pigment). and have printed Fixxons waterproof on both.
According to their website, their waterproof film works for both dye and pigment. Whew!
Compatibility with pigment inks used to be one of the main selling points of WP films.
Now they are the more common
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$67 Chromaline accufast 17x100