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screen printing => Ink and Chemicals => Topic started by: 3Deep on June 06, 2014, 12:03:42 PM
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Ok I've been using your standard cymk inks from union, but I've read some post where some of you have been using triple blend cymk, what are the pros and cons. I've got to buy some new cymk and just thought about going with the triple.
Darryl
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its exactly as it sounds, TRIPLE STRENTGH. Cons are it stinks and hard to clean. But the prints are better for us!
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Sent you a PM 3Deep.
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Sent you a PM 3Deep.
Awe come on share with the board, its what it is here for. Unless you are trying to steer him towards another ink brand.
Union X3 process works awesome but like said stinks and might be a little over powering with color depending on the design.
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lol. Well I have a couple sample sets of 3x process inks sitting around i was going to send him a set; so he could just play around with them, and see the difference. They are much more tacky. I am a fan of just letting people try stuff and getting feedback.
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other than regular pigment, the 3x has additional colors (like the neons) in the ink to make it brighter. 'not sure how they print, I have a set here, but never even opened them!
pierre
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As far as I know Unions are the only SWOP approved CYMK inks for textiles. Triple strength allows you to base them back to adjust for saturation. Which is a bandaid for seps that do not take dot gain under consideration or are just plain over saturated. Having different base to process inks around the shop becomes chaotic unless you thoroughly document and label.
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here goes a few
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v143/jlansdell/2012-07-13_14-44-19_7381.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v143/jlansdell/2012-07-30_14-59-54_598.jpg)
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So on the 3X CMYK is it possible to not underbase on some lighter color garments? And if so has anyone done it and on what colors? Not that I'm afraid to underbase I'm just being lazy.
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Not it's intended use but its possible. The print will tint slightly to the garment color. They are 3X but still transparent
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Somebody's got to say it- those are awesome!!!!
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Awesome indeed!......... Midwest told me they had to get the 3X from Union because they don't stock it (along with a lot of other stuff) and a 2 week delivery. Any info on who else might have some in stock.......... Thanks.
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huh? Look few posts up!
lol. Well I have a couple sample sets of 3x process inks sitting around i was going to send him a set; so he could just play around with them, and see the difference. They are much more tacky. I am a fan of just letting people try stuff and getting feedback.
pierre
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Mr Pierre.......... perhaps you didn't notice when I said I was just being lazy. Just kiddin', I will try to have a little more situational awareness from now on and thank you for pointing that out. So how about that frrreeeeee sample Kevin.
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I have two sample sets left.
Email me your contact info and I will get them out today.
kevinwilson@rivercitygraphicsupply.com.
Just to be clear though our 3x process colors strength are manufactured by InkTek out of Wisconsin, and I do stock them in the gallons for one customer who likes and uses them, however that is the only person I have got feedback from them on. (These are pretty new to me)
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Thanks Kevin.... I am looking forward to trying them and I will let you know how they work for me. LarryK
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Awesome indeed!......... Midwest told me they had to get the 3X from Union because they don't stock it (along with a lot of other stuff) and a 2 week delivery. Any info on who else might have some in stock.......... Thanks.
Roger Jennings sells it: http://rjennings.3dcartstores.com/Process-PRPE_c_25.html (http://rjennings.3dcartstores.com/Process-PRPE_c_25.html)
Also here, if you want the non-pthalate version . . .http://www.screenprintingsupply.com/Union-EF-Tru-Tone-3X-Four-Color-Kit_p_12063.html (http://www.screenprintingsupply.com/Union-EF-Tru-Tone-3X-Four-Color-Kit_p_12063.html)
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...The Union Triple strength is what I use. As someone who isn't really savvy in adjusting seps digitally, this is the way to go. I have a quart of each color based down 50% I can go to on-press if one color is too strong in the print, and I can usually make other adjustments from there to hit the colors well enough.
...the thing I really like about this stuff is that it doesnt get all washed out when printing on top of a solid underbase.
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Not as spectacularly luscious as Dirk Diggler's prints, but this was a process over white base job I did for a customer using the 3X inks. Probably could have done it in 6 spot colors, but they had a limited budget and asked me to get as much color as I could within their budget. I had some extra time to redo seps and screens if necessary, but I thought it turned out decently for a clip art job. Shirts were multiple colors, including black.
This one was a reject because I buggered up the print where it hit the neckline.
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Awesome indeed!......... Midwest told me they had to get the 3X from Union because they don't stock it (along with a lot of other stuff) and a 2 week delivery. Any info on who else might have some in stock.......... Thanks.
Midwest has been disappointing the hell out of me more and more.
I went to Beckmar in SoCal last time for some Union Maxo quarts and even got a much better price. One more day on the shipping, but they have a new customer.
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Not as spectacularly luscious as Dirk Diggler's prints, but this was a process over white base job I did for a customer using the 3X inks. Probably could have done it in 6 spot colors, but they had a limited budget and asked me to get as much color as I could within their budget. I had some extra time to redo seps and screens if necessary, but I thought it turned out decently for a clip art job. Shirts were multiple colors, including black.
This one was a reject because I buggered up the print where it hit the neckline.
nice cmyk on that color! Mine SUCK! Learning though.
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Dirk-Ok humle dude, those don't suck.
What is the perfectionist in you saying?
Tpitman - what mesh specs and such?
Nice to see those kind of inks over white UB.
Wash ok?
Thanks guys
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All of my cmyk are 305 mesh, although as soon as my I image is installed, I am going down to a 230 or 272 for more opacity, not sure how that will work, but gonna try.
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Dirk-Ok humle dude, those don't suck.
What is the perfectionist in you saying?
Tpitman - what mesh specs and such?
Nice to see those kind of inks over white UB.
Wash ok?
Thanks guys
305 for the colors, I think a 156 for the white, all at 22.5 degrees. I'm starting to go more towards 195s or 230s for under basing and adding a highlight white.
I really don't do a lot of this, but I've found the 3X inks much easier to work with in terms of getting the result I'm expecting. I print next to no white tees.
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btw, mine have a highlight white after the Y.
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Awesome indeed!......... Midwest told me they had to get the 3X from Union because they don't stock it (along with a lot of other stuff) and a 2 week delivery. Any info on who else might have some in stock.......... Thanks.
Midwest has been disappointing the hell out of me more and more.
I went to Beckmar in SoCal last time for some Union Maxo quarts and even got a much better price. One more day on the shipping, but they have a new customer.
Funny, they were the ones pushing 3x years ago, and then when we went to buy, didn't have stock. Sounds like a winning strategy.
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tpitman that's what I was looking for in colors those really pop kind like it was a spot color print, where as my cymk looks pastel at times, so I tend to use cymk on those type prints, but if I can get a print to look like that it might open up a whole new market for me using less colors than the normal spot colors.
Darryl
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I've done a couple of jobs printing regular process colors directly on white tees, and, on a manual press, each squeegee pull has to be pretty damn close to the others from shirt to shirt.
I usually print out a white "printer" plate via QuikSeps, and Steve recommends using one even on whites to help control the other colors. With the 3X colors I double the under base then work in the highlight, both via "Apply Image" in Photoshop to create a new under base for darker shirts.
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Got my sample pack of 3x inks, thanks Kevin and I got a job I will be printing in the next week so I post results if I don't stink it up.
Darryl
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Got the sample inks from Kevin and put them to use yesterday. We are happy with the results and the inks were easy to use. No underbase on some lighter color shirts and the customer was happy with them. Printed on the manual with 280 statics that aren't real tight.... so with some rollers stretched tight I figure we can do better on the auto.... but overall OK for now.
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Finally had a chance to print with Kevwilson 3x inks he sent me samples of, I did not use an underbase just straight on the shirt 230 mesh cts and one stroke except for the yellow 2 on that. All in all looks nice to me could have been way better, but I'm not as good of a sep guy as Dottone who normally does my seps, but I wanted to try this myself. The main thing is Kevins ink did a very good job and no bad smell that I get when using union's cymk I even had to dial the squeege pressure back. If this sounds like a plug for Kev and Rivercitygraphic Supply it is!!!! oh and the ink is Phthalate compliant for those that have to have that, which I know we all are one day.
Darryl
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Finally had a chance to print with Kevwilson 3x inks he sent me samples of, I did not use an underbase just straight on the shirt 230 mesh cts and one stroke except for the yellow 2 on that. All in all looks nice to me could have been way better, but I'm not as good of a sep guy as Dottone who normally does my seps, but I wanted to try this myself. The main thing is Kevins ink did a very good job and no bad smell that I get when using union's cymk I even had to dial the squeege pressure back. If this sounds like a plug for Kev and Rivercitygraphic Supply it is!!!! oh and the ink is Phthalate compliant for those that have to have that, which I know we all are one day.
Darryl
Thanks for the positive feedback on the inks! Like I said these 3X Processsare pretty new to us; and I hadn't heard much on them since we only initially stocked them for one customer here in town.
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That's a good looking print D. I don't know if there was another print you were trying to copy like a picture/poster but on it's own it looks great. The chick is yellow, the oranges are orange, the green is green, the blue is blue, can't see anything that would lead me to believe you don't know exactly what you're doing.
I am lucky enough to have Kevin a 15 minute drive from me.
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And I'm almost out of 4CP ink so I'll be picking some of this up in the next month or so.
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Thanks alan for the kind words. I have them here stocked when you are ready.
Kevin