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screen printing => Ink and Chemicals => Topic started by: Prosperi-Tees on June 12, 2014, 08:52:00 PM

Title: Which Rutland white ink has the best fiber matte down properties?
Post by: Prosperi-Tees on June 12, 2014, 08:52:00 PM
Just finished heat pressing a rush job 100 shirt sample run for a clothing line that went on Next Level Ringspuns of different varieties so i couldn't get the right ink for the job so ran with street fighter and had to heat press them. Got some large jobs coming from them tomorrow and need a good ink preferably Rutland as that's  what my next day supplier carries.
Title: Re: Which Rutland white ink has the best fiber matte down properties?
Post by: Prosperi-Tees on June 12, 2014, 09:18:01 PM
Or if any of the left coast suppliers have a different brand that has good matte down properties I would be open to that as well
Title: Re: Which Rutland white ink has the best fiber matte down properties?
Post by: Colin on June 12, 2014, 09:25:36 PM
which street fighter?  LB or Cotton?

Mesh count?

Squeegee?

Smoothing screen?
Title: Re: Which Rutland white ink has the best fiber matte down properties?
Post by: Prosperi-Tees on June 12, 2014, 09:53:45 PM
This job was printed with SF low bleed, SF Cotton and Super poly white.
130 mesh coated 2/1
75 duro
No smoothing screen.
Title: Re: Which Rutland white ink has the best fiber matte down properties?
Post by: alan802 on June 13, 2014, 09:31:13 AM
We use the Tidy white from Rutland and have great results.  Some garments it simply doesn't matter what ink you use and you have to go down to a really low mesh to matte down the fibers but hopefully that garment isn't one of them.  We use different mesh counts than most but we don't use a smoothing screen.
Title: Re: Which Rutland white ink has the best fiber matte down properties?
Post by: jsheridan on June 13, 2014, 10:13:46 AM
this is easy..

none of them

Theirs a reason we went with Wilfex
Title: Re: Which Rutland white ink has the best fiber matte down properties?
Post by: screenprintguy on June 13, 2014, 10:15:50 AM
We went from Rutland StreetFigther to IC Legacy white. Higher opacity, softer finish, no puff, better underbase, faster flash, waaaaay better fiber matte down
Title: Re: Which Rutland white ink has the best fiber matte down properties?
Post by: brandon on June 13, 2014, 12:22:30 PM
A clear discharge underbase can work wonders with a lot of troublesome white ink out there.
Title: Re: Which Rutland white ink has the best fiber matte down properties?
Post by: JBLUE on June 13, 2014, 01:00:57 PM
this is easy..

none of them

Theirs a reason we went with Wilfex

Winner winner chicken dinner!
Title: Re: Which Rutland white ink has the best fiber matte down properties?
Post by: Prosperi-Tees on June 13, 2014, 01:07:31 PM
this is easy..

none of them

Theirs a reason we went with Wilfex

Winner winner chicken dinner!
I knew you would say that but who has them close to us?
Title: Re: Which Rutland white ink has the best fiber matte down properties?
Post by: ebscreen on June 13, 2014, 01:26:48 PM
I'd say it's more important in how you print an ink than what ink you are printing. Don't get me wrong
there are garbage inks, but the majority of them are usable and will perform admirably provided
you are using the correct technique for that inks characteristics.

Fabric is a whole 'nother ball game, and like Alan said, sometimes you gotta go low, and sometimes there
really ain't much you can do about it. I can't recall printing anything but waterbased on Next Level, but they're
a Chinese product so I wouldn't be surprised if something is lacking...

Midwest carries Wilflex products. Yep.
Title: Re: Which Rutland white ink has the best fiber matte down properties?
Post by: dirkdiggler on June 13, 2014, 01:45:47 PM
We went from Rutland StreetFigther to IC Legacy white. Higher opacity, softer finish, no puff, better underbase, faster flash, waaaaay better fiber matte down

Same here!
Title: Re: Which Rutland white ink has the best fiber matte down properties?
Post by: jsheridan on June 13, 2014, 02:29:07 PM
this is easy..

none of them

Theirs a reason we went with Wilfex

Winner winner chicken dinner!
I knew you would say that but who has them close to us?

Nazdar handles So-cal pretty well and will drop ship you anything.
Title: Re: Which Rutland white ink has the best fiber matte down properties?
Post by: jsheridan on June 13, 2014, 02:30:11 PM
I'd say it's more important in how you print an ink than what ink you are printing. Don't get me wrong
there are garbage inks, but the majority of them are usable and will perform admirably provided
you are using the correct technique for that inks characteristics.


and there are the magic words.. boom!
Title: Re: Which Rutland white ink has the best fiber matte down properties?
Post by: tonypep on June 13, 2014, 02:35:31 PM
Agreed on this.
Title: Re: Which Rutland white ink has the best fiber matte down properties?
Post by: alan802 on June 17, 2014, 05:50:26 PM
I don't like any other Rutland white other than Tidy and even it is very short and needs a little modifying to make it more auto friendly but if you print manually and need to buy Rutland then Tidy is a great option.  And if you can't get good results with the Tidy white then don't take this the wrong way, but it ain't the ink that's the problem. 
Title: Re: Which Rutland white ink has the best fiber matte down properties?
Post by: Prosperi-Tees on June 17, 2014, 06:15:03 PM
I get good results on your regular 100% cotton and 50/50s with the SF line but ringspuns and triblends suck even though my customer liked them, I didn't.