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Classified Ads => Wanted => Topic started by: mimosatexas on June 26, 2014, 03:04:06 PM
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More and more I have been finding it hard to keep up with my usual workload (and growth), my new baby and my relationship with my wife, and new directions my business is taking. My body is also starting to hate me for manual printing. Generally speaking, I need to make an efficiency change, and I do not want to farm out work. Most of my business relies on hand holding and quick turnaround, neither of which work with contract printing. In an ideal world I would continue to save up for an M&R, but right now I just need anything that speeds up my actual printing and keeps me on track. Saving has been a lot harder with the new baby, so setting a getting an ideal auto is looking like a longer term goal than I had hoped.
I'm looking for a bottom of the barrel auto to get over the hump and to keep me sane. I have seen maybe half a dozen for around $5k or less in the last year, usually old Americans or small Lawsons or ancient presses of a variety of brands, but currently I'm not seeing much of anything out there for this price. I would like to stay at or under $5k honestly, especially considering the cost of moving, installing, fixing, peripheral equipment, etc. It would be great to be able to actually move the thing myself, and I am fine driving 10-12 hours to handle that part of the process. Honestly I would prefer it.
Anyone out there know of literally any working or refurbishable auto out there in that price range range? I honestly don't care about brand, number or working heads, etc. It will mostly be used for 2-4 colors, I dont mind using my current flash, etc...honestly if it moves a squeegee and can hold registration, I'm interested.
Thanks!
In summary, I would like:
-ANY automatic press ( colors/brand/age are less important than it pulling a squeegee and holding acceptable registration)
-within 10-12 hours of central Texas
-$5k or less
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$5K in cash might be enough to get a downpayment and auxilaries for a lease on a nice press.
pierre
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Be a little patient and you can find a nice Javelin. My first auto was a real clean/maintained 6/8 with two flashes for 4K
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honestly at the moment I don't know if I would qualify for a nicer machine. I would have to qualify on my personal credit, and my wife and I aren't looking so great there (medical bills/credit cards/student loans) and I already have a lease on the manual (my first attempt to build business credit) so while I have steady and growing business on the books, my debt ratio etc may doesnt look that great.
I'm also not sure I would want to get into a lease for a pricier machine I am not 100% happy with in the long term. I'm really looking at this as a sort of temporary option to keep me on track. I also kind of figure for this price I can probably make minor upgrades and clean it up and use it for a while and still get back a fair amount of my initial investment when I am in a position to upgrade to an ideal machine.
edit: a 6/8 javelin with 2 flashes for 4k would be FANTASTIC right now.
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what about hiring a printer?
pierre
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I've thought about it, but the training time, liability, and additional costs just don't justify it vs getting a cheapo auto. If I was truly overwhelmed or having issues with prep/finishing eating into production, I think a second pair of hands would make sense, but really the only issue is the time it takes to print shirts to meet deadlines and fit print sessions into the rest of my schedule. One issue I'm having currently is larger jobs where I am having to split it into 2 or 3 sessions due to other obligations, and having to wait for flashes, dryer, pallets, ink to heat back up and get back into rhythm is just so inefficient. I also print a lot of waterbased, when taking breaks is a giant pain in the ass...
Even when I have had an extra set of hands loading/unloading or helping with peripheral stuff (folding/tagging/etc) the time savings just isnt there compared to even a low end auto, especially as you add colors to the design. A 4 color single sided shirt on my manual (6 color/4 station) takes me about 40-50 seconds to print on average over a long period of time, and im exhausted at the end of the day. I'd assume based simply on the fact that an auto prints all colors at once that this would be basically cut in half on even the slowest machine with a single operator.
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I would look for a Precision Oval. There are a few in GA in that price range. Also there was a shop in Columbus MS that had 3
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I would look for a Precision Oval. There are a few in GA in that price range. Also there was a shop in Columbus MS that had 3
I can get you one of those for few hundred if you are interested. It's in DC area so would be a haul. . .
pierre
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I would look for a Precision Oval. There are a few in GA in that price range. Also there was a shop in Columbus MS that had 3
I can get you one of those for few hundred if you are interested. It's in DC area so would be a haul. . .
pierre
If you go this route you want Winston to install it. He actually built these new.
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I don't mind a trip AT ALL if its only a few hundred bucks, works, and holds regi.
What kind of shape is it in? Colors/stations? Electrical/air requirements?
I know the ovals have gone out of style or whatever, but honestly, if it works I don't care if it is slower or requires some extra finesse, etc...
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I was struggling like you and was thinking of going with an auto, bigger dryer and so on. Then a couple people here suggested I try out contractors. It was hard starting but it's working out. I limit myself to only print 250 shirts a week or three jobs, anything else gets contracted out. Printing is cool but ordering shirts, emailing a file and cashing checks, way cooler. I have another job and this has been my second income so my time is real limited. So I use contract print companies or bring in pressmen and pay them price work. It's working out for now.
RT Screen Designs
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It really wouldnt work for me unfortunately. A large portion of my business relies on quick turn around and there are lots of fluctuating variables up until printing. I am more accomodating than most when it comes to that stuff, but it is what keeps my customers happy, often despite me being more expensive. For example, many of my clients are schools who need playoff shirts, or have small re-orders right after the original order, etc. I only have those clients because many of them were told no by their past printers when it came to a deadline.
I also am printing an increasing amount of stuff for my own brand, so having a machine that lets me balance that with my wholesale work is important. Contracting would maybe save me having to print two or three jobs a month where it actually made sense to not print them in house.
I also really love printing and want to continue doing it rather than simply being a middle man, no offense intended.
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In order of preference:
Gauntlet
Javelin
Auto-Rototex
Multiprinter
All of those should be available in about your price range. They are all indestructible
for the most part and will bang out shirts easy peasy. Look for air locks on the screen
clamps if at all possible. The last two never had them.
Go for it. You know you need to, just get it done. Get whatever you can afford and get it in your
shop quick, things will change dramatically and you can start building towards a better machine.
If you are going to go auto do it now the sooner the better and don't look back.
Not all of us have trust funds or inheritances or are independently wealthy or willing to take on
a boatload of debt. Working up from the bottom is admirable.
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In order of preference:
Gauntlet
Javelin
Auto-Rototex
Multiprinter
All of those should be available in about your price range. They are all indestructible
for the most part and will bang out shirts easy peasy. Look for air locks on the screen
clamps if at all possible. The last two never had them.
Go for it. You know you need to, just get it done. Get whatever you can afford and get it in your
shop quick, things will change dramatically and you can start building towards a better machine.
If you are going to go auto do it now the sooner the better and don't look back.
Not all of us have trust funds or inheritances or are independently wealthy or willing to take on
a boatload of debt. Working up from the bottom is admirable.
Having had the pleasure of running the four mentioned I would still prefer the oval. easy to repair and though it does eat a lot of pellons we ran 4cp on the one I ran with no issues. ole man has it now and it is his goto press over the "normal" one he has.
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i think there is a multi printer in dallas and houston. check craigslist!
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I know of. Multi printer in austin for sale. I just shot the owner an email for price. It has millions of impressions on it but still ran until they moved it out of the way for their new press. Has 2 flashes, but one needs to be thrown in the trash, and replaced. I believe it is a 7 or 8 color.
I will email you tomorrow when i get more info.
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Thanks Kevin! Let me know what you hear. I need to stop in tomorrow or Monday anyway to restock on a few things.
In order of preference:
Gauntlet
Javelin
Auto-Rototex
Multiprinter
A Guantlet, even with millions of impressions, would be awesome in this price range, but I don't think I've ever seen one.
Honestly, thank y'all so much for the help and the info. I love screen printing and I love this community, and this is a really important move for me.
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An old GT-8 would run about that in OK shape, if you can find one. Really depends on the local market, since hauling it a few hundred or thousands of miles adds a hassle many aren't willing to take on.
So... you have a nice set of tools, right? ;)
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I don't mind driving, and I would say I'm handier than the average guy :D
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I don't mind driving, and I would say I'm handier than the average guy :D
don't forget, you'll need a compressor with a chiller and that can set you back some serious coin. Also, the electrical and air lines would have to be installed and might even need a tech if there is something wrong with the press or it's seriously worn out. Just those things can add up to $5K.
pierre
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I sold our 6 color gaunlet with about 1.5 million impressions for about $8k. It was in great shape.
I am not trying to sound like a jerk, but you are wasting your time printing manually. An auto will pay for itself so fast you won't believe it. Find a way to get one and do it.
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I don't mind driving, and I would say I'm handier than the average guy :D
don't forget, you'll need a compressor with a chiller and that can set you back some serious coin. Also, the electrical and air lines would have to be installed and might even need a tech if there is something wrong with the press or it's seriously worn out. Just those things can add up to $5K.
pierre
I'm aware of all the peripherals, which is a big part of why I would like to pay as little as possible for the auto itself. The peripherals and the infrastructure will work for future upgrades (assuming I purchase and plan with upgrading in mind), and I don't mind paying for that part now. The main thing is I need to get something in my shop NOW that will make me money and save me time. Honestly, if there is an oval in DC for a few hundred bucks and it is in working or fixable condition, I will start planning my trip today...
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I sold our 6 color gaunlet with about 1.5 million impressions for about $8k. It was in great shape.
I am not trying to sound like a jerk, but you are wasting your time printing manually. An auto will pay for itself so fast you won't believe it. Find a way to get one and do it.
thats more in line with what I have seen them go for on the low end.
I agree wholly with your statement about manual vs auto. Simple jobs that take me all day would take an auto shop an hour without sweating it...
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For 1-2 color printing on lights, an oval can't be beat for simplicity of smashing ink into a shirt and moving on. It does lack in EVERY other area. IF it has tight registration, big if, they're worth a max of $1k in my opinion.
If you can double your budget you have exponentially more options.
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mimosa, why don't you start assembling what you need to run it. Search CL for a compressor and chiller, and just get things ready for it...it will make life a ton simpler.
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I would be a bit concerned about the dodgyness of the micros on a precision... your setup times would be faster on a javelin and even faster on a gauntlett.
I got my javelin at scrap prices.. maybe check ebay. Cost me less than 4k all in, including all the parts to rebuild it.
Paid for itself on the 2nd job we printed with it and it works day in day out for us now.
Only complaints: very basic operator interface. No job start/end functionality, no quick releases on the platens, and the v squeegees that take a bit of getting used to.
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Yeah Craigslist and Ebay could be your friend! I found my current compressor on Ebay. It is an IR 5 horse which is underpowered for what we have now but it gets us thru. The guy bought it so he could have his workers build the cabinets for his home and that was it, it was basically brand new and I got it for $400. I know an electrician that hooked me up for $200, the press was $4000 and the cost to get everything (trailer rental etc..) was around $400. That was our first auto experience.
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Just be cautious what you get, you may end up with a 3000# one color press that in the time it takes to keep running you could have printed the job by hand.
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Yeah Craigslist and Ebay could be your friend! I found my current compressor on Ebay. It is an IR 5 horse which is underpowered for what we have now but it gets us thru. The guy bought it so he could have his workers build the cabinets for his home and that was it, it was basically brand new and I got it for $400. I know an electrician that hooked me up for $200, the press was $4000 and the cost to get everything (trailer rental etc..) was around $400. That was our first auto experience.
ive looked on craigslist, digitsmith, and ebay. Nothing really fits the bill currently, which is why I came here. It seems lots of people know of presses that are either for sale or possibly for sale that arent being listed anywhere. I check craigslist, digitsmith, ebay, and forum classifieds almost every day out of habit.
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Just be cautious what you get, you may end up with a 3000# one color press that in the time it takes to keep running you could have printed the job by hand.
To be frank, this is sort of the way that I look at my multiprinter these days and why I am looking for a manual. I've gotten better at it, but I honestly don't do the sort of volume that would make this machine make sense at this point.
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heres one for anyone that wants to cross the border, its dirty but I saw it running, seems reasonable for the right person
Just outside Toronto Ontario
http://www.kijiji.ca/v-business-industrial/mississauga-peel-region/m-and-r-automatic-gauntlet-screen-printing-press/568897909?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true (http://www.kijiji.ca/v-business-industrial/mississauga-peel-region/m-and-r-automatic-gauntlet-screen-printing-press/568897909?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true)
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heres one for anyone that wants to cross the border, its dirty but I saw it running, seems reasonable for the right person
Just outside Toronto Ontario
[url]http://www.kijiji.ca/v-business-industrial/mississauga-peel-region/m-and-r-automatic-gauntlet-screen-printing-press/568897909?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true[/url] ([url]http://www.kijiji.ca/v-business-industrial/mississauga-peel-region/m-and-r-automatic-gauntlet-screen-printing-press/568897909?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true[/url])
might as well take a match and burn the money. You will haveuch less headache and heartache than buying a machine this old and bringing it back across the border. Just a FYI.
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That one is a little far for me, but what would be wrong with a functional auto for $2500 for 6 months or so?
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Rich probably means that customs will be a pita.
Also... that if you want to be able to buy direct fit parts, some of the parts may be getting scarce...
of course, if you're good with a welder, hand tools, understand a bit about pneumatics and electronics, and are willing to learn how to 'engineer' fixes, something like this wouldn't be a bad purchase... heck, it's in better shape than mine was when I got it, at least it runs.
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The older presses are a good entry into auto printing but the old presses also take longer to setup, have their quirks and nuances, If I seriously had to do it all over again I would buy new from the start so I wouldn't have to worry about upgrades. That of course is financially dependent and I am like you I dont like to have too much debt
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post intended more for someone local, not worth it for someone out west but Buffalo or NY only an hour or so drive, I have not had problems bringing equip. north over the border that I have picked up.
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Going south over the border is usually more difficult that coming north.....More rules southbound and those folks are "sticklers" for details.....Going north they hardly pay attention...This is based on my 2 or 3 trips a week over and back.....
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Actually customs are a piece of cake, particularly for good manufactured in N.A.
I bought my auto on Ebay, paid for close to 6% of it's landed cost today alone, and it wasn't a cheap press.
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I'd agree with ebscreen that a 6 or 8 color Gauntlet might be the best fit in that price range.
Also will agree that compressor/chiller needs to be accounted for. Our compressor/chiller/air line cost a good bit more scratch than the Gauntlet GT we purchased.
I have no experience with the Javelin but have always found the American presses accurate and consistent, despite being huge, heavy and perhaps the slowest of the bunch to setup.
The old Gauntlets, 1st series, will teach you a lot about auto printing, including lessons you might not have ever wanted to learn. They are reliable, simple and provided the center shaft was kept lubricated and the machine installed correctly, could potentially run forever. All the other parts are replaceable, it's essentially modular that way. A few parts are getting more difficult to find but nowhere near impossible yet. I installed our '92 just in time and it helped us through the last year and a half of crazy growth, (we will triple in size this year at a minimum, have already doubled as of May) and I couldn't imagine printing all that manually, it would have been impossible. An old Gauntlet in decent shape will absolutely pay for itself and many times over.
That said, our trusty old Gauntlet is now the reason I'm not pulling trout out of the creek and drinking beer right now....ok only half true, I am drinking beer.
Setups are 10-15min per color due to the flex in the press heads and the lengthy series of steps just to make a small micro bump- unlock squeegee kips, pull off squeegee pressure, unlock micros, unlock rear clamps, make micro adjustment, snug micros, lock rear clamps, tighten micros, reset squeegee pressure (where was it at again? better feel under the screen with your fingers and try to remember if that's the same pressure. oh wait, is the pressure even now?), lock squeegee kips -and even then micros are very jumpy with copious amounts of tail whip. Sometimes you make a big micro move and nothing happens, sometimes you make a small one and are 1/16" out of reg on next print. The press registers in the literal sense very well, same concept as most modern presses with cam rollers connecting with forks, but the flex in the heads and the deflection of the platens will cause aggravation. I find it will often print a little differently every time. In a word, setup is very slow and if you add it up, they can eat up half of a shift, leaving you with four hours of actual production in a day. Great machine for long runs though and can clip along at 700 pcs an hour, no problem. I imagine the Javelin is in a similar boat with the longer setups as well and the Americans certainly are. It's hard to tell what everyone was thinking with some of the older machines for sure but they do have some smart features as well.
I would aim for a Gauntlet past whatever date they stopped keeping the squeegee pressure constantly on. That's right, the blade completes it's stroke and just stays there. This brilliant feature of some of the early models renders some of their nicer features useless, can't use the no shirt detector, print start or print finish for instance, the blade will contact the tacky platen and rip the emulsion off the back of the screen. Not to mention it just flings ink behind the flood all day.
Also find one with stroke adjustment if at all possible. Ours has none so we've had to use creative measures.
So I'm saying series 1 Gauntlet because the risk is practically zero and when you outgrow it, which will happen very quickly, you have a nice second press to whip out sleeves and such.
Prepare for a love/hate relationship.
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Not all of us have trust funds or inheritances...
Whoever could you be talking about. Lol
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I agree with Zoo big time on the Gauntlet as that's what we run and that's what we face everyday in that press. Micros are frustrating so I actually don't use them at all. I use a trusty hammer!
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guys - there is a trick to using the micros on the older gauntlets. it's more of a skill than a trick I guess. left to right alignment is no big deal, right, it's the squeegie pressure that distorts the image causing most of the issue. so what we do is "misregister" (up, out, towards top of the print, that way) the screen about 1/16" or so. now, when you out the pressure on the squeegie and print - your in register. it's not always perfect, but 9 out of 10 times we don't use the micros. using a reg device is absolutely useless for these machines, and I think they predate the tri-loc so I don't believe they were designed to work with it. screen tension and your off contact selection will ultimately decide your misregister amount.
1) make a print with base or outline - for us head 1 or 6
2) flash it
3)align every screen, then adjust it "up" about 1/16" -without squeegies and flood bars in...lock it down.
4)put in bars/squeegies
5) ink up and test print the rest of the colors.
a few years back I was talking about the constant squeegie pressure and the end result was to install some of those toggles that dump the air on both the squeegie and bar, they do help in set up but they are not used during the print cycle. only when we manually walk over and flip the switch.....this works for us anyway....just on the G1, G2 - different story..no issues there at all.
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Yup, that's exactly what we do Homie, any adjustments after the initial locking in of the screens gets the wack of the ole hammer. Usually only off very slightly.
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There is a 8 color 10 station 93 Gauntlet in Atlanta for $8500 or so.
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If at all possible, try to snap up a Gauntlet R/S. Those look perfect to me for a small, first time press. They have all the series 2 features (all air still though) and would eliminate most of the headaches referred to here without breaking the bank.
I'd toss it up between a Jav and a Gauntlet though. If someone has Jav experience and could chime in on it's limitations that would help you a bunch. Both presses are very well supported and fairly easy to find used.
I considered the air toggles and might still do it but we're looking into a new press asap so that's backburnered for a bit since the Gauntlet would be a second press for the easier stuff once that drops and it may not be as big of a deal since it wouldn't need to do 4-5 multi color setups a day.
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IMHO the biggest shortcoming of the Javelin is learning how to print with the v squeegees. ..
I can register a 6 color job in no longer than 30 to 40 minutes tops... many times it's 10 to 15 minutes. ..
The screen holders definitely have a bit of flex, however once you understand what's going on with them and maybe upgrade to the newer style rear hang down holders, life gets a lot better.
As far as maintenance goes, it's very easy to maintain, and easy to understand how to work on it.
One huge bonus (some may disagree) is the ability to get a flashback which allows for in head flashing.
Now that we've got one, we've been using it day in day out to just run the press around once on the quick 1 color pfp jobs.
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Here is a Rototex....
http://peoria.craigslist.org/bfs/4525513131.html (http://peoria.craigslist.org/bfs/4525513131.html)
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Here is a Rototex....
[url=http://peoria.craigslist.org/bfs/4525513131.html]http://peoria.craigslist.org/bfs/4525513131.html ([url]http://peoria.craigslist.org/bfs/4525513131.html[/url])[/URL]
Hey, I was just going to post that!
http://stlouis.craigslist.org/bfs/4540471259.html (http://stlouis.craigslist.org/bfs/4540471259.html)
Another one in SC even cheaper:
http://greenville.craigslist.org/bfs/4537323672.html (http://greenville.craigslist.org/bfs/4537323672.html)
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$2,500 you are speaking more to the OP needs now! Nice find.
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Yeah I have no knowledge of those American style printers, how well they register, or how fast they can run. In the video it looks like it indexes slower than molasses, but I doubt it was maxed out. All electric, standard squeegee/floods, decent image area. Probably no stroke length adjustments.
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In summary, I would like:
-ANY automatic press ( colors/brand/age are less important than it pulling a squeegee and holding acceptable registration)
-within 10-12 hours of central Texas
-$5k or less
So, how long is that particular drive?
Years ago, when I pulled on an American Multiprinter, I don't remember a lot of mid-run registration issues besides the screen that had just whacked a careless worker.
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based on the fact that it is all electric and half my budget and seems to work very similarly to my ancient cameo (which I know like the back of my hand), I'm thinking that one in SC is a winner right now. That's about a 17 hour drive for me, and I'm not 100% sure what the best way to get there and back with it would be (maybe a Uhaul style truck?). Once I figure that out and if it's still available, I will probably go for that unless I can find a similar deal closer.
Seriously, I can't thank y'all enough for all the info and help! If anyone does come across a better deal close to Austin in the next few weeks, please let me know!
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based on the fact that it is all electric and half my budget and seems to work very similarly to my ancient cameo (which I know like the back of my hand), I'm thinking that one in SC is a winner right now. That's about a 17 hour drive for me, and I'm not 100% sure what the best way to get there and back with it would be (maybe a Uhaul style truck?). Once I figure that out and if it's still available, I will probably go for that unless I can find a similar deal closer.
Seriously, I can't thank y'all enough for all the info and help! If anyone does come across a better deal close to Austin in the next few weeks, please let me know!
All the american style machines are WAYYYYYYYY Heavier. Built like tanks
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you might want to look into renting a penske or something like that that has a liftgate.... of course I brought my press back on a construction trailer.. that was a fun experience doing it with a pallet jack, come-along, and some straps:
(http://www.oaknet.com/gallery/var/resizes/Screen-Printing/Workhorse-Javelin-Automatic-Press/IMG_2386.jpg?m=1371385407)
(http://www.oaknet.com/gallery/var/resizes/Screen-Printing/Workhorse-Javelin-Automatic-Press/IMG_2388.jpg?m=1371385407)
trying to load/unload a press onto a uhaul truck would NOT be fun.
-J
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This is how we've moved almost every piece of equipment in our shop. Not fun.
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trailer you rent by day, truck will cost you per mile and is too expensive. get a trailer!
pierre
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of course I brought my press back on a construction trailer.. that was a fun experience doing it with a pallet jack, come-along, and some straps:
I did the exact same thing with my Javelin. Drove it from Tennessee to Fort Lauderdale, ripped 5-6 tarps to shreds in the process, got rained on (and almost cried), took naps in the car, etc. It was one hell of an experience, and one I'll never forget.
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I actually already have an 18 foot flatbed trailer, but I didn't know if having the press exposed to the elements (even with tarping) was advisable. I guess if that's how everyone does it, I am good to go!
Anyone have any advice on what I should take apart vs leave intact for the journey or how I should secure everything on the press? I know how to secure the base to the trailer and use tiedowns, but I'm not familiar enough with the construction of autos to know what specifically would require extra bracing or would be better taken off for the journey. Any info would be great!
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Heads will all come off and can easily be palletized, 2x4's for block and brace.
Pallet arms will come off as well, same deal, not as heavy.
Be sure that the pallet table is released from the reg forks, and wedge the fork(s) down gently.
Secure the pallet table to the base so it doesn't helicopter constantly.
Wrap the whole thing in pallet wrap and away you go.
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Sounds simple enough. Thanks for the tips!
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Oh, and long forks/extensions on the forklift if you are using one.
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years ago we moved our 15 head embroidery machine on our car trailer. :o It was maybe 2 miles down the road, and we did it at midnight due to traffic. I wish I had it on video.
Chris
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Two Precision ovals just popped up on Ebay.. They're in Alabama, but there's not much info on how well they run.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Precision-6-color-12-station-Hydralic-Automatic-Screen-Printing-Press-/371093399358?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5666e3e73e (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Precision-6-color-12-station-Hydralic-Automatic-Screen-Printing-Press-/371093399358?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5666e3e73e)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Precision-8-color-16-station-Hydralic-Automatic-Screen-Printing-Press-/251575383868?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a930fb73c (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Precision-8-color-16-station-Hydralic-Automatic-Screen-Printing-Press-/251575383868?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a930fb73c)
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If you get that Rototex shoot me your UPS number, I have a bunch of air cylinders you can have to
use as screen clamps. That's what I was going to do with them when I sold the press. Then I was going
to make a Whack A Mole but never got around to it.
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a challenger popped up too:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Challenger-Screen-Printing-8-10-Automatic-press-/171373704122?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27e6ab33ba (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Challenger-Screen-Printing-8-10-Automatic-press-/171373704122?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27e6ab33ba)
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I'm really leaning toward the rototex, Does anyone know what kind of electrical requirements it needs and the footprint? I cant find much on google.
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I'm really leaning toward the rototex, Does anyone know what kind of electrical requirements it needs and the footprint? I cant find much on google.
the bad thing about any of the American/AWT equipment is that there isn't a ton of information about them. You can still get parts from AWT or grainger or the like, but from our personal experience, AWT is a mess, and doesn't really have the infrastructure set up to handle mailing out parts.
Call Casey or Tony, from GSG, they work in Austin frequently, and know those american machines really well. PM me if you want Tony's number
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BOOM. i just saved/made your day:
https://neworleans.craigslist.org/zip/4546412844.html
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I saw that one earlier haha. The size is a little daunting honestly. Not sure how I would get it here...
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Yeah, uh, pretty sure 14' across is an understatement by the way. Mine is only a 6 color and I am pretty sure it's bigger than that. On the other hand, if you take off the platen arms, that cuts down the width quite a bit since you can fit the heads in like a jigsaw into the back of a truck and the remaining room in the trailer. I believe mine only has a single phase 220 requirement.
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That old multi printer weights a ton, I had one and sold it for scrap, kept one print head to play with, and hell it is heavy too.
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That's the catch with the Americans, you could drop a goddamn 14 color challenger in the space an 8 color American needs.
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Would this be a good deal assuming it is in good condition: http://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/bfs/4550998399.html (http://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/bfs/4550998399.html)
I'm waiting to hear back from the guy right now and hopefully get some photos/video. I would almost definitely try to talk him down from the $7k
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Does it come with a flash? It would be good if you can talk him down to maybe 5k. Good to print simple 1-3 color jobs.
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My Rototex was 13' across for a six color, but had a 22" stroke. Multiprinters probably larger, but
equally large print area.
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it's better than a 1-3 color machine. Provided that machine is well maintained, it should easily hold reg on all 6 heads.
You can build a really sweet IR shuttle flash for those pretty easily as well.
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Getting photos from the guy soon. Apparently he replaced a bunch of cylinders recently, and one of the screen clamp knobs on one head would need to be retapped. For $5k I think it would be a good deal, especially if I can use my platens for my Kruzer and any other accessories.
Does anyone know where I can find the air/electric requirements for a 95 6/8 guantlet?
O and the free multiprinter in New Orleans is suddenly $1500, and they still havent returned my call or email lol...http://neworleans.craigslist.org/hvo/4550063486.html (http://neworleans.craigslist.org/hvo/4550063486.html)
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Getting photos from the guy soon. Apparently he replaced a bunch of cylinders recently, and one of the screen clamp knobs on one head would need to be retapped. For $5k I think it would be a good deal, especially if I can use my platens for my Kruzer and any other accessories.
Does anyone know where I can find the air/electric requirements for a 95 6/8 guantlet?
O and the free multiprinter in New Orleans is suddenly $1500, and they still havent returned my call or email lol...[url]http://neworleans.craigslist.org/hvo/4550063486.html[/url] ([url]http://neworleans.craigslist.org/hvo/4550063486.html[/url])
Voltage will be 110 volts and 3 amps. air requirements will be 23 cfm @ 110 psi
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Thanks for the info Rich!
Do you have any thoughts on a Guantlet that age? Things to look out for perhaps :D
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Thanks for the info Rich!
Do you have any thoughts on a Guantlet that age? Things to look out for perhaps :D
we have one in the same age range, i think zoo does too.
I know we had to replace a TON of stuff on ours, so that it was running smoothly.
I'm sure Zoo will post about his experience way more in depth than I will, as i'm sort of a tech. dummy, but feel free to come on over and check ours out
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That American probably won't be the ticket, but back in the early 90's we
were printing some Marilyn, Dean, Einstein, Beatles and the like on one.
Fun times lining up multicolor work on those...
Don't get in the way of indexing, mangled an Omni flash once. ::)
Piling up an old Harco dryer with shirts, starting fires.
Get out the broom!! Ahh the good old days.
Get an older/newer "late 1990's" Blue air machine budget wise if possible.
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we have a '94 6/gauntlet too, it was our main machine for 3 or 4 years, and we still use it..actually when I print - about once every 2 or 3 months, I prefer to use the 6/8 over the G2......it's a fast little pecker..... we ran 6 color sim process DC on it, no issues at all. we have a love/hate relationship with it...we nicknamed it "stupid mthrfker".....but seriously, you will get where you want to go with a gauntlet....for 5k, you really can't go wrong unless like these guys said, the main shaft is shot...
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The guy uploaded a video. Anyone see any issues who is more familiar with these machines?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ix0jMuGfyIE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ix0jMuGfyIE)
The shuttle flash is included.
One thing I noticed is the pallets seem to connect in a different way than on my kruzer, but i cant really see much in the video. Does the current pallet quickrelease system on m&r's work with this machine, or is there a simple way to retrofit it?
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The guy uploaded a video. Anyone see any issues who is more familiar with these machines?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ix0jMuGfyIE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ix0jMuGfyIE)
The shuttle flash is included.
One thing I noticed is the pallets seem to connect in a different way than on my kruzer, but i cant really see much in the video. Does the current pallet quickrelease system on m&r's work with this machine, or is there a simple way to retrofit it?
The index is not set up right. You really need to have a tech check the center shaft bushing to make sure they are good. Pallets will work.
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somethings up with the reg forks /cams on that. watch the table rise...not to supposed to shift like that...listen to 244, get that baby looked at first.
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I noticed that but wasn't sure if that was a problem. With the cost of a tech and travel or crating from Atlanta, this one is looking like a no go for me.
I really do just want something for like 6 months that will hammer out super simple work while I save up for an ideal first auto. I'm also thinking of moving into a bigger and newer space before the end of the year, so the all electric Americans are more appealing simply because of the infrastructure improvements necessary with other machines. I'd rather not spend money on that at two spaces instead of one.
I'll keep hunting!
Again, I truly appreciate all the help and advice in this thread. Proof yet again of how invaluable this community is.
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Might be tough to find, but I'd like to think that except for those specifically listed as (and priced as) "as is", sticking a few screens in there and actually demonstrating a simple multi-color print shouldn't be that unreasonable.
I'd expect a test drive with most used cars in the $7K price range.
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I noticed that but wasn't sure if that was a problem. With the cost of a tech and travel or crating from Atlanta, this one is looking like a no go for me.
I really do just want something for like 6 months that will hammer out super simple work while I save up for an ideal first auto. I'm also thinking of moving into a bigger and newer space before the end of the year, so the all electric Americans are more appealing simply because of the infrastructure improvements necessary with other machines. I'd rather not spend money on that at two spaces instead of one.
I'll keep hunting!
Again, I truly appreciate all the help and advice in this thread. Proof yet again of how invaluable this community is.
One thing to consider about the american is how you are going to deal with it when you get a nicer auto. I suppose at the price that most of them go for, they are nearly disposable, but still I am not looking forward to the day I need to get rid of it. Is there really a market for used multiprinters?
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I noticed that but wasn't sure if that was a problem. With the cost of a tech and travel or crating from Atlanta, this one is looking like a no go for me.
I really do just want something for like 6 months that will hammer out super simple work while I save up for an ideal first auto. I'm also thinking of moving into a bigger and newer space before the end of the year, so the all electric Americans are more appealing simply because of the infrastructure improvements necessary with other machines. I'd rather not spend money on that at two spaces instead of one.
I'll keep hunting!
Again, I truly appreciate all the help and advice in this thread. Proof yet again of how invaluable this community is.
One thing to consider about the american is how you are going to deal with it when you get a nicer auto. I suppose at the price that most of them go for, they are nearly disposable, but still I am not looking forward to the day I need to get rid of it. Is there really a market for used multiprinters?
There are folks with limited funds that consider any automatic a step up. Hell, we even have a guy on this forum looking,who pretty much said just that! LOL!
Otherwise, you're looking at a half dozen or so small flat stock presses as an alternative.
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I noticed that but wasn't sure if that was a problem. With the cost of a tech and travel or crating from Atlanta, this one is looking like a no go for me.
I really do just want something for like 6 months that will hammer out super simple work while I save up for an ideal first auto. I'm also thinking of moving into a bigger and newer space before the end of the year, so the all electric Americans are more appealing simply because of the infrastructure improvements necessary with other machines. I'd rather not spend money on that at two spaces instead of one.
I'll keep hunting!
Again, I truly appreciate all the help and advice in this thread. Proof yet again of how invaluable this community is.
One thing to consider about the american is how you are going to deal with it when you get a nicer auto. I suppose at the price that most of them go for, they are nearly disposable, but still I am not looking forward to the day I need to get rid of it. Is there really a market for used multiprinters?
There are folks with limited funds that consider any automatic a step up. Hell, we even have a guy on this forum looking,who pretty much said just that! LOL!
Otherwise, you're looking at a half dozen or so small flat stock presses as an alternative.
That's what got me into this mess lol. But, yeah it's true that mimosa is possibly looking for one, I just don't see them move like other presses.
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I noticed that but wasn't sure if that was a problem. With the cost of a tech and travel or crating from Atlanta, this one is looking like a no go for me.
I really do just want something for like 6 months that will hammer out super simple work while I save up for an ideal first auto. I'm also thinking of moving into a bigger and newer space before the end of the year, so the all electric Americans are more appealing simply because of the infrastructure improvements necessary with other machines. I'd rather not spend money on that at two spaces instead of one.
I'll keep hunting!
Again, I truly appreciate all the help and advice in this thread. Proof yet again of how invaluable this community is.
One thing to consider about the american is how you are going to deal with it when you get a nicer auto. I suppose at the price that most of them go for, they are nearly disposable, but still I am not looking forward to the day I need to get rid of it. Is there really a market for used multiprinters?
There are folks with limited funds that consider any automatic a step up. Hell, we even have a guy on this forum looking,who pretty much said just that! LOL!
Otherwise, you're looking at a half dozen or so small flat stock presses as an alternative.
That's what got me into this mess lol. But, yeah it's true that mimosa is possibly looking for one, I just don't see them move like other presses.
For that matter, I know of at least one board buddy here who took advantage of a "free to good home" old Precision oval. Probably eventually offered the same deal to the next potential owner. To most here, a large anchor. In the right hands, a temporary money maker.
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I noticed that but wasn't sure if that was a problem. With the cost of a tech and travel or crating from Atlanta, this one is looking like a no go for me.
I really do just want something for like 6 months that will hammer out super simple work while I save up for an ideal first auto. I'm also thinking of moving into a bigger and newer space before the end of the year, so the all electric Americans are more appealing simply because of the infrastructure improvements necessary with other machines. I'd rather not spend money on that at two spaces instead of one.
I'll keep hunting!
Again, I truly appreciate all the help and advice in this thread. Proof yet again of how invaluable this community is.
i'm almost positive there is an M&R tech in the Austin area, and if not GSG is in dallas and does regular service calls
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Thanks for the info Rich!
Do you have any thoughts on a Guantlet that age? Things to look out for perhaps :D
have a M&R tech check the center shaft bushing.
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Are you kidding me? 5 grand for a 6 color with flash......... and the guy has been using it on a regular basis..... That would be a no brainer for me. Even if it doesn't hold perfect registration you still have your new Kruzer for those jobs. But the 1 to 3 or 4 color jobs for most schools and such do you can usually adjust your artwork to make it work on an older machine.... if you print 500 dark shirts that require pfp you will LOVE this press. And you can ALLWAYS find a new to the industry printer that will take it off your hands...... Good Luck... now get that truck gassed up and hooked onto that trailer before someone else steals that thing from you!
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I agree with Rich, get it checked first. You could be looking an at extra couple grand easy on that thing in repairs. Or you could spend a little more and get one that is cherry.
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I'm really close to buying a 1995 Javelin 6/8 with one flashback off ebay for around $2500-$3000. The listing is here: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1995-TUF-JAVELIN-AUTOMATIC-SCREEN-PRINTING-PRESS-/151351638403?ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:1653 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/1995-TUF-JAVELIN-AUTOMATIC-SCREEN-PRINTING-PRESS-/151351638403?ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:1653)
It ends in just under 2 hours.
This seems like a great price, but I wanted to get the forum's feedback real quickly before committing. The seller says the press has been sitting unused for 3-4 years, and that their chiller is broken so they can't turn it on to do a video for me (seems suspicious, but there don't appear to be other auto's in their shop, so maybe?). Realistically, assuming the issue is it has just been sitting there, what does it take to rebuild/repair one of these? What is likely to need replacing after this amount of time unused? I don't mind putting another $2k into it if it needs it, as anything under $5 is still a good deal in my eyes, but I'm worried it may have bigger issues that this guy either doesn't know about or isn't saying. How would I know?
Any thoughts on it would be great. Thanks!
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Sounds fishy to me. Running it without the chiller to demo that everything is functional is not going to hurt anything at all.
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FYI - just to shoot a vid, they don't need a chiller. make them run it first...5 minutes isn't going to hurt it.
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Good to know!
i'll try contacting them again, though it's probably too late and I'm going to skip on this one. The guy has great feedback, but it's all for small items and from our communications he either is clueless about the press or is trying to offload something that doesnt work I think...
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Demand a demo of it running, the jav will be fine without a chiller for a five minute video.
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I messaged the guy. We'll see if he responds.
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That machine is very easy to work on. I've rebuilt mine over the course of a few years, and although its an old girl, she now runs pretty good for her age and has been my main press throughout that time. Workhorse also offers great support via phone on all Javelins, and are more than happy to help out anytime. As long as the PLC is good, you shouldn't have much of a problem getting it up and running with the cash you are willing to put into it.
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How would you know if the PLC is good, and if it isn't what is the replacement cost? What are the other common parts that would likely need to be immediately replaced etc?
Does anyone know if a machine this age can have heads converted to the chopper system workhorse now offers? I have heard having that installed on head 1 is a great investment...
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How would you know if the PLC is good, and if it isn't what is the replacement cost? What are the other common parts that would likely need to be immediately replaced etc?
Does anyone know if a machine this age can have heads converted to the chopper system workhorse now offers? I have heard having that installed on head 1 is a great investment...
If it turns on and runs, the PLC is good. I'm not sure replacements are available, but there's enough parts machines out there that they pop up from time to time. From what I understand, it's not something that goes bad very often, and at this price is probably worth the risk. I've had no issues with mine, and my machine is older than this one. If you got this machine for 3k and it didn't run and the guy decided to screw you over, you could part it out and make your money back. The flashback alone is worth half the buying price.
I was told by Workhorse recently that these machines can be converted to the chopper system, as well as the quick-release pallet system.
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if I had the space for it, I'd buy that machine sight unseen.
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well y'all arent making this easy for me haha
I'm not sure what to do really...I need an auto and this is well within my pricerange, but it would suck to get a DOA machine and have to do substantial repairs or part it out...
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well y'all arent making this easy for me haha
I'm not sure what to do really...I need an auto and this is well within my pricerange, but it would suck to get a DOA machine and have to do substantial repairs or part it out...
Based on the photos, seller feedback, cleanliness of the shop in the photos, and description, I'd be very surprised if that press arrived DOA. There are Javelins out there in much worse condition that crank out shirts on a daily basis. But, stranger things have happened so if you haven't seen it running, there's no guarantees. For 3k I'd say its worth the risk, but I also have a feeling the auction will be ending a bit higher than that.
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Do it man!
That's a LOT of positive feedback. I think he's legit.
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If it doesn't I guess I'll try to grab it for around 3k...
If it goes much higher than that, I'll keep looking.
Thanks for the advice!
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If it doesn't I guess I'll try to grab it for around 3k...
If it goes much higher than that, I'll keep looking.
Thanks for the advice!
push it to 4k if you have to
Wait, was I just talking out loud?
Good luck! :D
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Center shaft bearing. That's all I'm going to say. Just about anything else can be fixed, replaced, patched but if the bearing or shaft is bad it's worth nothing more then scrap. Generally speaking that goes for just about any press.
Most likely the carriage blocks and maybe the tracks are worn.
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Guessing you didn't get it based on the ID's of who the winning bid was.
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Yea lost it, but I feel better having it go up to $4k. I really wasn't willing to go that high without at least seeing it run.
I'll just keep being patient I guess! Hopefully something comes up soon though cause I need to automate :D
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Center shaft bearing. That's all I'm going to say. Just about anything else can be fixed, replaced, patched but if the bearing or shaft is bad it's worth nothing more then scrap. Generally speaking that goes for just about any press.
Most likely the carriage blocks and maybe the tracks are worn.
How best to check this on old Javelins and Gauntlets, etc.?
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Table up grab a pallet 90 degrees from the lift cylinders lift up and push down hard a worn press will have a thump to it and you can feel the whole thing moving up and down. Do it several times, someone can cheat an grease the crap out of the center shaft with heavy grease that can hide the problem.
Or Run the press with 3 or 4 colors printing a diffrent speeds, place your hand on a pallet as it's printing and you can feel thump, the table move and in some cases see the pallets move.
Or it will show in the print, if reg bearings and forks are all good and the reg is all over the place, assuming the pallets or something else is not loose or no tak on the pallets it could be the bearing and warrants further investigation.
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Great information! I'll be sure to add that to my list of things to check. Are there any other tests like this that are a must when buying any auto?
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As long as parts are avaliable mainly the programmed PLC you should be ok. Please don't think if the PLC is bad you'll just pick up a generic one and program the ladders unless it's something you do everyday. Just consider how much your willing to spend to get a press up and running and if you are willing to loose some of that money when you move onto another press. Don't guess on what it will cost price it out, the way things are today never just assume the cost. What you and I think should be a $50 part the vendor thinks it should be $500.
Make sure it comes with everything you need like squeegees, flood bars, clamps if needed, GOOD pallets, etc. This is the stuff that will nickel and dime you.
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Table up grab a pallet 90 degrees from the lift cylinders lift up and push down hard a worn press will have a thump to it and you can feel the whole thing moving up and down. Do it several times, someone can cheat an grease the crap out of the center shaft with heavy grease that can hide the problem.
Or Run the press with 3 or 4 colors printing a diffrent speeds, place your hand on a pallet as it's printing and you can feel thump, the table move and in some cases see the pallets move.
Or it will show in the print, if reg bearings and forks are all good and the reg is all over the place, assuming the pallets or something else is not loose or no tak on the pallets it could be the bearing and warrants further investigation.
Excellent trick for checking this. I couldn't really think of a way to but rocking in the direction opposite the lift cyl would totally tell you a lot about what's going on with the shaft/bearing.
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Been a few weeks now, and still no luck. There seem to be very few options out there right now. If anyone knows a shop about to upgrade or knows a tech or rep with their ear to the ground so to speak, let me know! The school year is about to start and production is about 2 weeks away from getting crazy for me.
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http://www.digitsmith.com/lawson-trooper-xl-press-41529.html (http://www.digitsmith.com/lawson-trooper-xl-press-41529.html)
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That is more money than that machine is worth........... maybe 6 grand.
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that guy will wheel and deal on prices...
he had a Maxicure up there that he was listing at like $3.5k that he was 'willing to let go' for 2k
if you end up coming up to chicago, hit me up... ;)
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Yea, for $8500 before shipping and install I could get a lot more press honestly, but either way it is above what I want to spend as a stop gap.
I'm starting to think I may just have to contract out a job here and there to keep up with demand and free up the time I need for home life. My son starts normal day care on Sept 2nd so I may end up having enough free time to handle everything depending on how that works out.
I just wish I could find SOMETHING to handle these high quantity 1-3 color spot jobs in house for cheap.
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This American is still available, posted two days ago:
http://stlouis.craigslist.org/bfs/4615440642.html (http://stlouis.craigslist.org/bfs/4615440642.html)
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I've seen two of that exact press go for $2k or less in the last few months, both fully functional. I missed the boat on both, but only one was a reasonable distance from Austin. Why is that one 3x as much....
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im also fairly certain there is ZERO micro registration on those presses.
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They have micros, they just arent fully toolless and don't work as smoothly as newer presses. From the photos and videos I've seen at least...
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You can see the micros in the third and fourth photos in that listing. I can't speak to their quality, but they are there at the end of the head.
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If you really want a Precision Oval......
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Precision-Automatic-8-color-Screen-Printing-Press-/151404682430?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item23406c1cbe (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Precision-Automatic-8-color-Screen-Printing-Press-/151404682430?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item23406c1cbe)
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wowza
I wonder how the hell i would get that monster to texas...
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That's $500 more than I've seen in the past, but yes, it probably still has some impressions left.
The prices for these things usually depends on how much space the seller has.
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I know people print on them all the time, but I would sooOOOoo rather pay 8 times that price and get a used Javelin or the like. I just shudder at the thought of loading up 18 shirts/test squares just so I could check registration. Nothing like increasing pressure on 1 squeegee and having it decrease pressure on the other 7 by default too.
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I know people print on them all the time, but I would sooOOOoo rather pay 8 times that price and get a used Javelin or the like. I just shudder at the thought of loading up 18 shirts/test squares just so I could check registration. Nothing like increasing pressure on 1 squeegee and having it decrease pressure on the other 7 by default too.
You are correct on the multiple pellons for print but incorrect on the pressure example. The pressures are individually set. ol man on the boadrs has one and it is his main press. He would own another one in a heart beat.
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Yes, but all squeegees ride on the same head and carriage, so by default laws of physics, dialing on to press harder, lifts the head a bit and causes the others to have less pressure.
my experience on a Precision was many moons ago, and I can say in all honesty that there is no way I'd go back to one after running a modern press. He!! you can't even do a test print or a print start/print finish on one. It's archaic. That's not to say we didn't print acceptable shirts off the ol' oval, just that it suckedllarge compared to any other auto I've printed on.
... maybe I'm just spoiled.
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If I come across a working and viewable Jave in driving distance of Austin for 4k or less, I will buy it, but so far it has been super slim pickins...
I'm making do for the time being, and honestly that press wouldnt even fit in my shop I don't think...
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http://www.digitsmith.com/1991-m-r-challenger-41988.html (http://www.digitsmith.com/1991-m-r-challenger-41988.html)
There ya go
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o crap, nice find. contacting now.
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All machines have quirks, the new ones have high dollar service calls and parts, the older machines are much easier for a person with basic mechanical skills to deal with. I would take a couple of pieces of art that is representative of the work I would be producing and hit the road for a test of the prospective machine. Older Advance machines work fine and hold registration, they are cumbersome to set up and adjust. Older Gauntlets are probably the best, but for $5k, you are not going to get much in the way ease of use either. Old ovals are fast and workhorses, the go and go, but registration is sketchy at best and flashing is tricky also. I would hunt the old Gauntlet as my first choice, then a Javelin or Lawson.
Regarding the center shaft bushing: some people have knowingly purchased machines from me with a sloppy top bushing, these machines satisfied the buyer's expectations on registration. Not every customer uses a loupe to check registration accuracy, these are T-shirts not the dashboard for space shuttle.
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Not every customer uses a loupe to check registration accuracy, these are T-shirts not the dashboard for space shuttle.
Agree with this LOL^
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At the risk of losing this out to another buyer, but not wasting 500 bucks and a few days of travel is this worth it? http://www.ebay.com/itm/252007290555 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/252007290555)
I doubt the seller would be competent enough to take it apart and crate it properly so I would probably make a trip of it. I know these presses are basically crap, but automation is something I really want. Does anyone know the specs for what kind of compressor this would need? Power? Anything I should ask the seller that might illuminate a problem or if the machine is DOA?
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Some of those Lawsons were manual index. Can't tell on that one.
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you want to talk to Rick Steffanick about Lawson, he knows them well. I believe he is selling one of these units too. He's a member here, shoot him a PM...Rsteffanik or something is his screen name
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I'm on the phone with Lawson now. Apparently it is all air or 110 3amp, so power is a non issue. Compressor specs are 5hp 60 gallon. They couldn't tell me about cfm etc. Their tech said it should be a foot pedal index which is fine.
I'm thinking I might as well get it, assuming the wife approves.
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There is an 8 colour Challenger in Spokane for 5-6k I think, might be a bit of a trek however.
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Don't really have $5k (plus the travel or freight costs and costs of a compressor and any parts to fix it and tech costs etc) sitting around these days.
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Don't really have $5k (plus the travel or freight costs and costs of a compressor and any parts to fix it and tech costs etc) sitting around these days.
we still have that gauntlet...just saying
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sent you a couple PMs Eric.
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One thing about the Lawson autos is they are easy to take apart and reset up.
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good to know...
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Well, someone snapped it up while I was running an errand. Saves me a trip to Alabama though so all good :D
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Well, someone snapped it up while I was running an errand. Saves me a trip to Alabama though so all good :D
Perhaps one of our drive-bys. Oh well, here's another Alabama Getaway for your consolation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNtnJrowvZo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNtnJrowvZo)
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Have you thought about doing a lease on a new piece? I couldn't afford it outright so I just did a short term lease on a Starlight. Best thing I've ever done for my shop.
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There are a few of these floating around for cheap. No compressor needed.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SCREEN-PRINTING-FULL-AUTOMATIC-8-Color-PRECISION-Machine-/251596386406?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a94503066 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/SCREEN-PRINTING-FULL-AUTOMATIC-8-Color-PRECISION-Machine-/251596386406?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a94503066)
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Kingscreen, you took the "Bottom of the Barrel" requirement to its logical conclusion on that one!