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Artist => General Art Discussions => Topic started by: ericheartsu on July 01, 2014, 11:21:38 PM

Title: Training
Post by: ericheartsu on July 01, 2014, 11:21:38 PM
At our shop, my wife handles all the art seps and film printing, as well as ink mixing! We've gotten CRAAZY busy over the past month, and we'd like to give one of our employees a raise, and have her start handling the art seps.

Currently this employee is my wife's art assistant, and basically preps files, and get preps mock ups, but we'd really like to get her separating art! Our only problem is, my wife is self taught, and doesn't have very much time if any to train someone!

Can anyone recommend any classes, or videos on art sep. that we can start having this employee go over?

thanks!
Title: Re: Training
Post by: sqslabs on July 01, 2014, 11:26:47 PM
Here's an excellent video on spot color separations in Photoshop:

Spot Color Separations In Photoshop on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/2974180)
Title: Re: Training
Post by: ericheartsu on July 02, 2014, 11:53:10 AM
Thanks! i'll fwd this on!
Title: Re: Training
Post by: screenprintguy on July 02, 2014, 12:08:34 PM
For sure check out the videos and if you see this person being someone you want to invest in, sign them up for classes at a tradeshow, there are some really good ones out there by reputable folks in our industry.
Title: Re: Training
Post by: Frog on July 02, 2014, 12:35:57 PM
The Freseners have a Separation class August 1-3

http://www.printersbootcamp.com/ (http://www.printersbootcamp.com/)
Title: Re: Training
Post by: blue moon on July 02, 2014, 12:52:34 PM
for spot color art, I would not go that route. Convert it to vector and it will be 100x easier.

You will need a good vector engine, if you are using CS6 or newer, you are golden. I am not sure if the CS5 has the new or old conversion tool. CS4 is too old.

pierre
Title: Re: Training
Post by: sqslabs on July 02, 2014, 01:56:22 PM
for spot color art, I would not go that route. Convert it to vector and it will be 100x easier.

You will need a good vector engine, if you are using CS6 or newer, you are golden. I am not sure if the CS5 has the new or old conversion tool. CS4 is too old.

pierre

I'm going to have to respectfully disagree here.  While vector conversion tools have improved in recent years, when it comes to hand drawn art they just aren't there yet.  Regardless of the resolution, vector conversion tools often take the human element out of hand drawn art, and can take away a lot of the "feel" of the artwork in the process. 

Now redrawing something in Illustrator using the pen and other tools is a whole other ballgame, but takes a lot of time.  We offer that to clients in many instances, usually where their art is too low-res for print.  But I don't see any reason not to output a high res raster image straight from photoshop, if that's what the customer has supplied you to work with. 

We probably output about 90/10 vector to raster here, and I always push vector as the first priority.  But having the knowledge in the above video available when a customer does supply hi-res raster art can definitely help translate the artist's vision to print in the most respectful way possible.  It's also not a bad tool to have in the box when you get a finicky vector file, in that you can drop it in Photoshop, flatten it and separate from there without having to worry about weird transparencies/masks/etc that can make your head hurt just trying to figure them out. 

That's not to say that vector conversion tools don't have their place.  They certainly do.  I just don't think its foolproof enough yet to disregard another very powerful tool for anyone creating seps.
Title: Re: Training
Post by: Frog on July 02, 2014, 02:29:31 PM
I have to say, that I reached a great milestone when I learned how to do seps via channels in Photoshop.
I could suddenly sep much of what my clients submitted. Granted, the tracing tools weren't quite as good
as they are now, but while some get improved, many hand drawn designs lose something when vectorized.

I also have to qualify this by saying that I have not used the newest Adobe conversion toys.
Title: Re: Training
Post by: Gilligan on July 03, 2014, 12:35:10 AM
The Freseners have a Separation class August 1-3

[url]http://www.printersbootcamp.com/[/url] ([url]http://www.printersbootcamp.com/[/url])


Has anyone ever taken this?

Pm me if you would like to tell me your opinion on his class (seps specifically).
Title: Re: Training
Post by: Gilligan on July 25, 2014, 12:33:12 AM
Bump
Title: Re: Training
Post by: Command-Z on July 25, 2014, 03:07:10 PM
Every shop needs Mitch Different's book on the subject:

http://mitchdifferent.com/book.htm (http://mitchdifferent.com/book.htm)

Easy to follow step-by-steps.
Title: Re: Training
Post by: Gilligan on July 25, 2014, 06:12:59 PM
Every shop needs Mitch Different's book on the subject:

[url]http://mitchdifferent.com/book.htm[/url] ([url]http://mitchdifferent.com/book.htm[/url])

Easy to follow step-by-steps.


Funny you posted... I was going to contact you if we ended up going to the AZ seminar.
Title: Re: Training
Post by: starchild on July 25, 2014, 10:40:49 PM
Well staying true to the subject line:

Operation Screen Print - Killer Black Shirts
by Dane Clement and Lon Winters

http://graphicelephants-com.myshopify.com/collections/training-dvds/products/operation-screen-print-kit-1
Title: Re: Training
Post by: screenxpress on July 27, 2014, 01:45:34 PM
Well staying true to the subject line:

Operation Screen Print - Killer Black Shirts
by Dane Clement and Lon Winters

[url]http://graphicelephants-com.myshopify.com/collections/training-dvds/products/operation-screen-print-kit-1[/url] ([url]http://graphicelephants-com.myshopify.com/collections/training-dvds/products/operation-screen-print-kit-1[/url])


It's a little out of my price league.

But I was impressed that the price had dropped from 400.00

to 399.95

Quite a bargain!!
Title: Re: Training
Post by: starchild on July 27, 2014, 02:07:10 PM
Well staying true to the subject line:

Operation Screen Print - Killer Black Shirts
by Dane Clement and Lon Winters

[url]http://graphicelephants-com.myshopify.com/collections/training-dvds/products/operation-screen-print-kit-1[/url] ([url]http://graphicelephants-com.myshopify.com/collections/training-dvds/products/operation-screen-print-kit-1[/url])


It's a little out of my price league.

But I was impressed that the price had dropped from 400.00

to 399.95

Quite a bargain!!


HeHe.. on graphic elephants ebay store they have the "make offer" button.
You never know.. They're  maybe trying to see at what price point people are willing to purchase..
http://www.ebay.com/itm/181334550791
Title: Re: Training
Post by: Frog on July 27, 2014, 04:48:02 PM
Well staying true to the subject line:

Operation Screen Print - Killer Black Shirts
by Dane Clement and Lon Winters

[url]http://graphicelephants-com.myshopify.com/collections/training-dvds/products/operation-screen-print-kit-1[/url] ([url]http://graphicelephants-com.myshopify.com/collections/training-dvds/products/operation-screen-print-kit-1[/url])


It's a little out of my price league.

But I was impressed that the price had dropped from 400.00

to 399.95

Quite a bargain!!


HeHe.. on graphic elephants ebay store they have the "make offer" button.
You never know.. They're  maybe trying to see at what price point people are willing to purchase..
[url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/181334550791[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/181334550791[/url])


So, has anyone ever gotten an ebay deal making an offer that's way lower than the "Buy It Now" price?

I'm an avid garage saler. As you may know, there is often no rhyme or reason for prices.
Therefore, when an item is unmarked, and the seller asks me to make an offer, rather than taking the chance of ever paying ten times or even twice the price they would have taken, I start at a nickel. After a few nickel incremental increases, and still no acceptance, I ask for a ballpark idea rather than taking an hour to get up to the ten dollars, fifty dollars, or whatever they are apparently looking for.

When asked by others 'Looking for anything in particular?" my response is "Sure, things worth a dollar for a dime, ten dollars for a buck, and a hundred for ten"

My idea of a garage sale find is something you don't really need, at a price too good to pass up.
Title: Re: Training
Post by: Prosperi-Tees on July 27, 2014, 06:24:47 PM
Ha I think they took the best offer down. Typically if best offer is shown on eBay, the seller will take about 10% less in my experience
Title: Re: Training
Post by: Homer on July 27, 2014, 07:50:46 PM
i purchased that e-book from Mitch and I'm still waiting for the link to download it....must be on vacation or something....his stuff is killer so I am sure it's going to be a good read.
Title: Re: Training
Post by: Prosperi-Tees on July 27, 2014, 08:47:33 PM
Wow I just listed an item on Ebay. I cant believe they now charge 10% of your total selling price of an item! Last I remember it was 3% ish