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screen printing => General Screen Printing => Topic started by: Dochertyscott on July 05, 2014, 05:56:27 AM
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At how many units would you bother setting up 2 screens on auto when printing white on darks 1 colour print?
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At how many units would you bother setting up 2 screens on auto when printing white on darks 1 colour print?
Probably 300 pcs. But first I always try now to push the client towards discharge.
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Yeah not quite setup for discharge yet... Plasti only at this stage. But if it was discharge can you print a nice white with one screen one hit?
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50, that's where it makes sense for us to set that 2nd screen up. And yes, depending on the garment you can definitely achieve a great white with that one screen and no flash. That's one if the major benefits to discharge! What are you waiting for?
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50, that's where it makes sense for us to set that 2nd screen up. And yes, depending on the garment you can definitely achieve a great white with that one screen and no flash. That's one if the major benefits to discharge! What are you waiting for?
Cool, looking forward to giving it a whirl.
Hmm better ventilation and an air forced dryer is what I'm waiting for.
Here in NZ the only discharge we can get is Rutland I think. Is that a good discharge ink?
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Right on. Is better ventilation something you can change on your own? If so, that's the only thing holding you back. We have had success with Rutland's discharge, it's not bad, and you definitely don't need a forced air dryer to successfully complete the discharge process... but it does help.
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At how many units would you bother setting up 2 screens on auto when printing white on darks 1 colour print?
IMHO, the answer to this question starts with what does it cost you to process a screen? In this case the second screen would use the same art / film as the first so you would be looking at a list of expenses for the second screen that include; Coating, Exposing, Tape & Block out, Set-up on Press, then Cleaning the Screen, Squeegee, and Flood bar, and Reclaiming the screen after the print run.
I don't know your business, but typical costs for a second screen without film would range from around $10.00 at the low end, up to $15.00 at the high end. Once you have this number the math is fairly simple; "Is a $12.00 investment in a second screen going to save you more time and produce a better print than PFP with a single screen?" Another way of looking at it is the additional cost per print for the second screen. Example $12.00 screen expense divided by 24 shirts = $0.50 per shirt
The attached image is a screen shot of a simple production cost calculator that I developed to try and identify screen-print production costs. Please feel free to PM or email me with your contact email if you're interested in the Excel working copy of this file.
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IMHO, the answer to this question starts with what does it cost you to process a screen? In this case the second screen would use the same art / film as the first so you would be looking at a list of expenses for the second screen that include; Coating, Exposing, Tape & Block out, Set-up on Press, then Cleaning the Screen, Squeegee, and Flood bar, and Reclaiming the screen after the print run.
I don't know your business, but typical costs for a second screen without film would range from around $10.00 at the low end, up to $15.00 at the high end. Once you have this number the math is fairly simple; "Is a $12.00 investment in a second screen going to save you more time and produce a better print than PFP with a single screen?" Another way of looking at it is the additional cost per print for the second screen. Example $12.00 screen expense divided by 24 shirts = $0.50 per shirt
The attached image is a screen shot of a simple production cost calculator that I developed to try and identify screen-print production costs. Please feel free to PM or email me with your contact email if you're interested in the Excel working copy of this file.
Wow, awesome advice. Thanks for sharing.
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@ ~50 pieces for us too.
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I will use two screens after about 100 but I have run one screen with 250 shirt orders. On my press it really doesn't take that much longer to run just one screen for white.
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150ish for us. Its not a hard line.
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72 is our decision point. Depends a lot on fine detail in image.
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For me the number is low. The caveat is that I would put Russel Grey on a 230 in the first station, flash it and do the white on a 196 or higher. This gives you a bright white and a great hand as there is very little ink on the shirt. Also grey is a different color so it helps registration.
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Ours is about 50pcs. also. It will vary depending on several factors though. Typically we will run discharge though.
How feasible is it for you to order ink from your neighbor(Australia) down there? Is shipping killer? I know if a distributer there that would be able to offer a wider range of discharge options for you.
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Ours is about 50pcs. also. It will vary depending on several factors though. Typically we will run discharge though.
How feasible is it for you to order ink from your neighbor(Australia) down there? Is shipping killer? I know if a distributer there that would be able to offer a wider range of discharge options for you.
As a matter of fact there is a CCI distributer in Australia. I bet they would ship to NZ.
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Yep, ventilation is something I can and will suss out ideally in the next couple of weeks so I can get into this Discharge bizzo.
We are slammed with some decent sized orders which is great. Most of which are 1 colour white on darks.
Yeah I'm kinda around x72 or so to bother setting up another screen thus far. I like the tip of a slight grey UB, I did have a good few goes trying to figure out which screen I had to tweak on a small print with thin lines.
Checking where the mesh didn't clear helps but not as straight forward as a tinted Underbase that's for sure.
I called my usual ink supplier who stock Rutland and queried on getting some discharge inks... It's not a common printing practice over here and they didn't know a lot about it. They said they have the Rutland discharge base and some crystals... The main ink tech was away and returns Wednesday so will talk to him then. Do Rutland offer a colour mixing DC system or is it just a DC base that you then have to print WB over top? I'd be keen to get into it as it's something that will be a nice challenge at set me apart form other printers around here. Can you safely print a based down plasti over DC base to give a at least softer hand than a plasti base?
Rockers if you can give me the details for the Aussie CCI distributor that'd be great. From what I've read here the flo range seems nice... Well... all but the orange... Eeek. (Hope you can get to the bottom of that TCT)
Thanks for all the advice.
Scott
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Rutland DCs are PC/Based
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From what I've read here the flo range seems nice... Well... all but the orange... Eeek. (Hope you can get to the bottom of that TCT)
Thanks for all the advice.
Scott
The CCI D-Flo are amazingly vivid and I am finding out it was most likely a "in house" issue not necessarily a ink issue:'(
Here is a link to some guys in Australia, I know they have the Virus discharge system... www.colourcomponents.com.au (http://www.colourcomponents.com.au)
They are super nice people!
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We're at about 150. It takes about 20 minutes FOR US to reclaim, coat, put film on, burn, develop, dry, tape, register, sq, fb, ink, tape up regi marks, test print X 1,2,3 (depends on the shop), the teardown sq, fb, ink, de-tape, de-ink, and that's about it. As you can see, I think 20 minutes per screen is actually a little low when it comes to what it ACTUALLY takes to put a second screen into production. So how many shirts can you print in that 20-30 minutes with one screen that it takes you to add the additional screen? We can normally do about 150 but a more complicated job might only be 100/20 minutes. I made a chart years ago that had our production rates and the break even point was right around 150 with average production rates.
Some of you guys with 50 being the break even point probably have extremely fast setups, maybe CTS or a great regi system and can reclaim 25-30 screens per hour.
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From what I've read here the flo range seems nice... Well... all but the orange... Eeek. (Hope you can get to the bottom of that TCT)
Thanks for all the advice.
Scott
The CCI D-Flo are amazingly vivid and I am finding out it was most likely a "in house" issue not necessarily a ink issue:'(
Here is a link to some guys in Australia, I know they have the Virus discharge system... [url=http://www.colourcomponents.com.au]www.colourcomponents.com.au ([url]http://www.colourcomponents.com.au[/url])[/URL]
They are super nice people!
They might need a better webdesigner though. That page is terrible.