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screen printing => Screen Making => Topic started by: screenprintguy on July 22, 2014, 03:06:55 PM
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Hey guys I wanted to get a feel around everyone to see what everyone is doing, or not doing. I was thinking of picking up with of these Blackline Filter One HP units to put under our current booth. I'm going to add a supertrap later under the current booth, get a wider booth, and move the Filter One HP under it. But for now start with this. Is anyone using one of these? How do ya like it?
http://www.blacklinemfg.com/Aspx/ProductDetail.aspx?CategoryID=3&ProductID=14 (http://www.blacklinemfg.com/Aspx/ProductDetail.aspx?CategoryID=3&ProductID=14)
Thanks ya'll
Mike
PS, Sales guys, please don't start calling the shop, kindly let the other shop operators give their experience and testimony. Thaaaaank ya!
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We have something similar. Three stage. A light goes on when filters need to be changed.
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Thanks Tony!
Man 66 views and no replies lol, does this mean not many folks are filtering their waste water? ;D
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ours goes through a pump system that has a built in filter that you empty everyday. You saw it already.
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http://www.hydroblaster.com/ScreenReclaimingProducts.htm
We use a system from them.
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Those 12-18 little holes on the drain that don't let anything larger than 1/4" through, that is the extent of our filtering system...:o I will offer myself up as the scapegoat, we do not use a filter:-
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ours goes through a pump system that has a built in filter that you empty everyday. You saw it already.
I remember your screen klean systems recirculation booth but don't remember your wash out booths drain set up. Must gave been the C3D's attention grabbing auora :)
Thanks Grand, cool units on that site.
Alex, thanks for man'n up hahahahaha.
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I have an old Albatross system that sounds a lot like the one Tony mentioned, but it crapped out on me a couple years ago. I'm looking for something new at the moment, as currently all we have is the filtration on our sump pump. A new system just popped up on Ebay the other day at a very competitive price, but I'm not sure its cut out for heavy use.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/221488150053 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/221488150053)
How much does the Blackline unit run?
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I saw this one too. The blackline is 1300. I'm a lil worried about a home made gaget in a tote bin with what looks like a piece of black plastic corplast signboard on the bottom. I'd be worried about the pump being chem resistant and the filter. Price is attractive but they must have a problem selling them. Its gone from 600-500-400, unless they are just launching them and don't know thier price point to move them.
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But if you try one let us know ;D
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Do you guys have these for purely environmental reasons or is there something else I am missing out on? I honestly never thought about a filter for a drain in our shop. Guess I considered it when I was brainstorming about moving, and the new spot would of had a septic system. But never thought about it in the city.
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It crossed my mind never. :)
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I saw this one too. The blackline is 1300. I'm a lil worried about a home made gaget in a tote bin with what looks like a piece of black plastic corplast signboard on the bottom. I'd be worried about the pump being chem resistant and the filter. Price is attractive but they must have a problem selling them. Its gone from 600-500-400, unless they are just launching them and don't know thier price point to move them.
Yeah I'm concerned about the same things, and the fact that it says 'perfect for a start up shop'. Not very promising. But I do believe the product was just launched so that may be the reason for the low price. I'll contact them and see what they have to say about using it in a non-startup shop environment.
Do you guys have these for purely environmental reasons or is there something else I am missing out on? I honestly never thought about a filter for a drain our shop. Guess I considered it when I was brainstorming about moving, and the new spot would of had a septic system. But never thought about it in the city.
Certain counties around here require a system like this one, and not having something can result in some serious fines depending on how strict your local government is. I'd imagine that's why many have them. My county is pretty lax about what goes down the drain, so mine was and will be based on my own outlook on the environmental responsibility of running a shop.
The shop I worked in growing up had the drain pipe from the washout booth leading directly out the back door and into the grass. :o
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The shop I worked in growing up had the drain pipe from the washout booth leading directly out the back door and into the grass. :o
Bet that made it petty rest to pinpoint any clogs! ;D
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We run a system because on multiple occasions our water from the drain path has been "tested" to make sure we aren't letting anything down into the sewer system that is harmful. Around here it seems pretty important to the water folks that we try to keep our washout water as clean as we can. Our system is pretty basic and doesn't require any electricity only weekly and monthly maintenance. But I'd for sure recommend that something is used as I'm always amazed how dirty our traps get, sooner or later I bet you'll be clogging a drain somewhere in the water chain lol...
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Danny, what system do you use?
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For those of you not filtering, are you getting clogs in your sinks? Right now our filtration system is broken and the waste water is clogging up our utility sink like no tomorrow. Even a couple of wire mesh screens and some filtration media is better than nothing.
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What is clogging it? We have had our reclaim sink in b the same place with the same plumbing for probably 6 years. It has been "slow" draining maybe 3 times, but 5sec of shooting the power washer down the drain takes care of it.... We use a dip tank, would that make any difference?
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That dip tank water has to go somewhere eventually. And yes our drain water had been tested in the past but after several years of passing, it stopped.
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Anybody know exactly what sumps they use in these filtration units?
everything else looks to be standard parts you can pick up at your local home depot
(pair of canister filters, I'm guessing the first one is a 50micron mesh, the 2nd is probably a 5 micron)
the intital filtration could be done first with a piece of screen mesh, followed by a piece of scotchbrite pad.
after looking at the 'cheapy' one on ebay, it certainly doesn't look difficult to build one yourself.
Might be a new weekend project for me here.
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It's important to know if your septic is organic or not BTW.
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Tony, do you mean your chemicals are organic or not?
we use 701 as our ink degradent/dehaze/final cleaning step after the diptank
and then Xenon Degreaser for degrease.
I believe both of them are listed as biodegradable.
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question about biodegradable. if a lot of us print plastisol... how is it biodegradable? isnt it plastic by definition? i know most of the ink cleaners degrade it, but essentially its still plastic and plastic takes a long long time to biodegrade, right? i always wondered how dumping it into the drain is legal...
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Sensitive but important topic here. Sorry too busy to reply in length but as an example, companies like CCI make chemistry designed to work in conjunction with your septic system.
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This is what we use. Cleaned weekly and or every 350 screens. Sorry for the bad pic.
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Tencarva 25 locations in SE
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This is what we use. Cleaned weekly and or every 350 screens. Sorry for the bad pic.
Great post Chris!!!! How does the water look coming out of this unit? Do you think a 1 or 2 stage waterfilter like on some of the other units after this one would give even cleaner water, or do you think that is overkill?
Cleveprint, I totally get you, we are all at the mercy of the chem companies telling us that their product truely turns plastisol inks into a non toxic biodegradable liquid. So far, the one that has the best , "true" full breakdown of plastisol to a drain safe eco verified flushable liquid is beeniedoo, but I was just told about an even better product being launched in a few weeks that has a better price point and is even more eco friendly than beenie. I guess the whole point of this thread is to bring up and share cleaning ideas for all of us to do better all around. No one is barking at anyone if anyone took it that way, more to exchange ideas between each other on processes that are affordable and actually working well. I like this unit that Parker posted. I'm going to look into it.
Chris, do you guys drain into a tank with a sump pump, and then pump the water through this device?
Thanks man!
Mike
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Have you looked at moose man's settling tank? That is what we do. You could run a filter after that if you wanted as well.
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is that the rock/sand tank?
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is that the rock/sand tank?
Nope, just a tank... inlet goes down into the bottom and then flows out from high on the side... solids settle to the bottom... you can filter the rest if you want.
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might have to give that a shot as my first attempt... I have a bunch of 55gal plastic barrels here I can cut off. worse case, I use it as the tank to add a pump to, to filter through some cartridge filters.
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Good post guys!!
We need to implement something here for the reason that we use a dip tank for ink/emulsion and the stain remover we use allows the particles to 'float' on the water surface, which in turn pours over the divider in our two part pump tank, essentially gumming up the sump float switch. we have to clean that out pretty often so introducing a filter system to catch those solids before they fall into the tank is my next project.
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This is what we use. Cleaned weekly and or every 350 screens. Sorry for the bad pic.
Great post Chris!!!! How does the water look coming out of this unit? Do you think a 1 or 2 stage waterfilter like on some of the other units after this one would give even cleaner water, or do you think that is overkill?
Chris, do you guys drain into a tank with a sump pump, and then pump the water through this device?
Thanks man!
Mike
This is an inline gravity filter that is installed before the pea-trap, no tank or pump used. Works like what Gilligan and Moose are using. As far as the water coming out of the filter it is free of most if not all solids, but I would not drink it. I installed this b/c our drain was continuously getting clogged.
Chris
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This is what we use. Cleaned weekly and or every 350 screens. Sorry for the bad pic.
Great post Chris!!!! How does the water look coming out of this unit? Do you think a 1 or 2 stage waterfilter like on some of the other units after this one would give even cleaner water, or do you think that is overkill?
Chris, do you guys drain into a tank with a sump pump, and then pump the water through this device?
Thanks man!
Mike
This is an inline gravity filter that is installed before the pea-trap, no tank or pump used. Works like what Gilligan and Moose are using. As far as the water coming out of the filter it is free of most if not all solids, but I would not drink it. I installed this b/c our drain was continuously getting clogged.
Chris
Chris, thanks for the info. How many screens a week are you processing?
Here is where we want to be as soon as we can. We want 1 booth to have a recirculation system with degradent. Whether it is the blackline self contained/ "probably the one I'll go with", or the screen Klean systems one. Just for de-inking screens.
Then the other booth, will be fore image wash out, and final rinse when screens come out of the dip tank, this booth having a filtering system to have near clear water coming out.
Depending on which set ups we go with and total cost, lets me know if we do it all at once, which I'd like to do, or first the filtering system, then add the larger booth and recirc system. The recirculation system should take away the nastiest stuff and that system contains the plastisol in the filters that get changed, so once you go to the dip tank, its mainly liquified emulsion that has been broken down, and stains. We just want to do our part to be cleaner and cleaner.
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those of you that are using pump based systems: anybody have a suggestion for a good pump to use to pump the water through the cartridge filters?
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Look up Moose's pics... he has his system pics and then he has the cleaning of it photo'd... it's impressive the pink sludge that he pulled out of his.
We haven't really checked ours but we don't use nearly that many screens, so ours will take a while. I might have posted pics as well... have to look.
I don't know if I'd want to do a filter after unless the solids collector was sealed. It uses to push the water up and out the outlet... if that got backed up (filter clogged) then it would just keep rising and push out of the top. I'd also at least want a lid (vs a cut 55 gallon drum), it's going to contain X gallons of water/fluid which would have a smell due to the chemicals in it. This would be constantly seeping out and I'd imagine eventually fill the room with chemical smells. Mine isn't sealed, but does have a snap on lid... I used a square 30 gallon container, not much different than a storage box, just heavier duty. Before we put the pea trap it gave us a good lesson on why we needed a pea trap, you could tell that someone just dropped a deuce next door!
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careful gilligan, that smell can give you a nosebleed ;)
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those of you that are using pump based systems: anybody have a suggestion for a good pump to use to pump the water through the cartridge filters?
Not to be redundant but Tencarva
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Sorry Tony,
missed that in your post before.
any pointers to which model from them? Looks like they do some really high end stuff, probably WAY higher end than what I need or would be willing to pay for.
I'm wondering that since I'm using biodegradable non flammable products, if I can just get away with a cheap sump pump of some sort in the tank after the settling tank.
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You can probably build your own as mentioned above.
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So I guess this topic gets a little split and depends on your actual reclaiming process and how you like to do it, or want to do it. If you use 1 booth to do everything, remove ink, remove emulsion, dehaze/degrease, and image washout from developed screens, it's probably a good idea to have a system to removes solids, and then particles, and then as much of a clean water filter as possible, "if you want the cleanest water you can expect".
Then the other option is having two booths. One self contained recirculation system for de-inking, so that none of the degraded ink makes it's way to the drain. Then the second booth for emulsion removal, and the other not so dirty rinsing.
With this option 1 or option 2 scenario, I guess it comes down to your preference, wants how ever you call it, or regulations. Or if you just don't have the space for 2 booths. I like the idea of keeping the dirty nasty greasier stuff contained in their own booth. During busy times, one could expedite their system by having someone just de-inking/de-taping, and the other guy/booth working the dip tank and the rinse out booth. Obviously two systems in place with two booths costs more up front, but to have a cleaner footprint on the environment overall is probably worth it.
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We have four sinks
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The problem with the self-contained/recirculating systems for us is that we are roughy 60% plastisol/40% waterbase.. but you don't really want the waterbase residues going down the drain anyways.
my 'ideal' system is something like:
3 washout sinks.. one clean/two dirty... clean only used for final rinsing screens (and maybe degreasing?) as well as post exposure dip-tank blowout.
1st dirty is for plastisol with a recirc system for ink degradent
2nd 'dirty' sink is for rinsing plastisol screens post degradent, rinsing waterbased screens, and post reclaim dip tank sprayout.
both the clean and dirty sink lead to a solids settling system (like the traps listed above, or maybe just a tank with the exit higher than the entrance. that flows to a tank that has a pump in it to pump through the 50micron and then 5-10 micron filters, which then leads to the city sewer.
(everything after the sinks sounds pretty much like the Blackline or other filtration systems that are available).
My biggest question is still what to use to pump through the cartridge filters... I have an idea/handle on how to 'rig' everything else.
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My biggest question is still what to use to pump through the cartridge filters... I have an idea/handle on how to 'rig' everything else.
i am afraid of buying a pump that would blow out the seals on a cartridge filter housing...