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screen printing => Equipment => Topic started by: Shanarchy on August 25, 2011, 02:50:13 PM
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Would you like winged flood bars? I believe Action will require a minimum order of 12 to make them. Once they are made they will be a stock item and can be ordered individually. Who wants to go in on them with me?
3deep????
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What width are you thinking about ?
I think Darrel uses 15 inch wide..... I might be interested in 15 inch.
Bob Calvert... Northland
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I will have to double check. I think we need 14" with the wings. But I am sure we all use the same size screens and would require the same flood bars.
Bob, you have a Titan, right? What size screen frames do you use.
Darryl, what size screens are you using?
Who else may be interested?
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This is great to see. Printers helping printers. Working together to make each other better. This is what it's all about!
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I am not sure that ours will fit but I think they will. We will do one at a time. Just a FYI
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I am interested in a few.
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I am not sure that ours will fit but I think they will. We will do one at a time. Just a FYI
They will if you don’t cut the notches in them ;)
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OK, the horizon mini is fitted with 15" squeegees and flood bars.
The winged flood bar I received from Action is a 16" flood bar. With the extensions of the wings this bring the size to 17".
I think our ideal size is 15" with the wings bringing us to 16"
This brings about my next question, which is what size screens are all of you mini owners using? Max screen size is listed at 20x28, but these seem to be a special custom make size. So I am assuming everyone is using 20x24 statics? If so, what are you getting out of that for a max print size?
The inner dimension of a 20" od wide screen is 17".
I am using Newman frames, which have an 18" id. I can actually fit my winged flood bad in there (I did not realize I could do this). It is snug. 1/2" on each side. Is this too tight? Or am I fine? I can't foresee any bad, and I will use it on my next run and see. But if someone knows of a red flag, please give me a heads up.
Rich, what do you recommend for max flood bar size to inner screen diameter? Also, do your flood bars mount in the Anatol quick release holders? And if so, what sizes are they available in?
Thanks!
Shane
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Sorry I missed this guys, Ive been trying to get Action to make some floods for awhile now. I use both frames 20x24 and 20x28 oh and the newman rollerframes, I had my squeegees and floods cut to 14 in so I know 16 is to wide for a 20 x 24 frame to tight of a fit.
@ Rich, why the hell you didn't say this long time ago when I posted about getting flood bars? I would buy them from you just as well, I need quick release.
@ Shane, let me know I would like to get some of them.. call me 334-983-6472...Rich if you can do these call me also.
Darryl
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This brings about my next question, which is what size screens are all of you mini owners using? Max screen size is listed at 20x28, but these seem to be a special custom make size. So I am assuming everyone is using 20x24 statics? If so, what are you getting out of that for a max print size?
Printficient/Sonny has a 20 X 28 frame as a standard size... I just ordered a few for the ISS show we are doing :)
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Hit wrong key :o
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Sorry I missed this guys, Ive been trying to get Action to make some floods for awhile now. I use both frames 20x24 and 20x28 oh and the newman rollerframes, I had my squeegees and floods cut to 14 in so I know 16 is to wide for a 20 x 24 frame to tight of a fit.
@ Rich, why the hell you didn't say this long time ago when I posted about getting flood bars? I would buy them from you just as well, I need quick release.
@ Shane, let me know I would like to get some of them.. call me 334-983-6472...Rich if you can do these call me also.
Darryl
Darryl,
Why did you cut your squeegees from 15"-14"? Thanks for the heads up on the 20x28's from Sonny. Have you used his beveled squeegees? If so, how do you like them? I don't use statics, but I will keep those in mind. A few may not be a bad idea for max size prints. How do you find them to be tension-wise? It would be nice if Newman would make a stock 21x28 frame (the 21" width fits fine). I wonder how many they would need ordered to make them affordable. I called and they wanted over $100/ea for the custom make.
I'll reconfirm all the details with action tomorrow. Unless Rich has smaller ones available.
So far it looks like there is 4 of us (Darryl, Charlie, Bob and myself), which would mean we would need to do at least 3 each. Or offset them otherwise.
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I have a Titan as well and would be interested in the floodbars as well. Give me a call 512-663-8559. I would get 3-4 of them. I use both 20-24 screens as well as 20 x 28.
Brian
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On the 14" squeegee & Floods that was recommended by a member from the old forum I can't recall his name right now, but he sold and installed Anatols.
Beveled squeegees, yes I,m using one right now that I got from Sonny its pretty dam good...I use it for for problem inks like whites and shimmers. Being straight up and down really helps on the pressure you need to print with.
Static frames I think I used a tension as low as 14 and still got a very nice print with no problem, but most are around 16 to 18 after some time. I have a bunch of newmans I keep around 25n and the some panel frames that around 30n.
3 winged floods will be fine with me, and they work I'd most likely want 3 more, just let me know something.
Oh and if you did not know you can move your screen holders on your press out by 1" more atlease I can on my press on the three point micro side.
Darryl
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With Brian we are up to 5. This is working out great!
As with Darryl, if they work nice I would want one for all 7 heads. But I would ideally love to try one first to know. But they seem to be pretty popular so I don't see why we wouldn't like them.
Are you referring to lance/Calibrated from the old boards?
@ Darryl Question, if we went with 14" flood bars, would a 15" squeegee not work as well with them? Did you notice a benefit chopping your squeegee and flood bar down to 14"? I'm guessing the advantage would be there was a little extra room inside the screen to card the ink back in? But I am thinking winged flood bard could offset this?
It looks like we will have to determine if 14" or 15" is the appropriate size for all of us or we will have to do 12 each.
Advice from the pros; Rich, Spotcolor (you sell and install Anatol I believe), Baron?
I'll PM Baron and invite him to join this thread.
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Shane I talk with a fellow at Action at the ISS show in Atlanta about the floods, I was going to buy the 16 but he said it wouldn't work. Yes that would be Lance that advice me to get 14teens...they just work better in the frames I use, Lance allso said having to large of a squeege would put to much stress on the edge of the frames (statics).
If I had to go with a 15 I think I could heat them up and bend them in some if there to wide to work correct or vice versa on the 14.
Rich tossed his two cents in, so I'd like to here from him what he has to offer if Action has to have such a hugh order, I believe Rich said we could order a small amount from him.
Darryl
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OK, here's the scoop with Action. Minimum order will be 12. These will not become a stock item, so if we want more later it will be a minimum order of 12 again. Turn around time is approximately 4 weeks. Depending on total quantity they make offer us a quantity discount. As of now, here is our pricing:
15" winged flood bar: $79/ea
14" winged flood bar: $75/ea
M&R's website shows 16" flood bars. Rich, let us know if you have 14" or 15" that are not listed. That could be an easier option for everyone. Thanks!
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I will have to double check. I think we need 14" with the wings. But I am sure we all use the same size screens and would require the same flood bars.
Bob, you have a Titan, right? What size screen frames do you use.
Yes... I have the Titan.
I use mostly 20x28 panelframes and 20x24 panelframes.
The panelframes are pretty low tension (14-18 n/cm), but the mesh must be a fine thread because the ink clears well.
I've got 20x24 Newmans and 23x28 Newmans that I'll be modifing to make 20x28 frames for jobs requiring higher tension.
I'd be down for 3 winged floodbars (would prefer 14", but could use 15").
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I will make a sample and send it to Darryl(3 deep) and he can let you guys know if it works for you.
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I was just going to suggest that you could make some franken-frames using various long and short rollers. If you use stock sizes I'll bet you can even order them this way without paying an upcharge. Would a 31" long frame make it into the Titan? That might be easiest for you roller frame guys, you could order MZX frames with 31" long rollers and 21" short. The extra 3" could just hang out there maybe.
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I was just going to suggest that you could make some franken-frames using various long and short rollers. If you use stock sizes I'll bet you can even order them this way without paying an upcharge. Would a 31" long frame make it into the Titan? That might be easiest for you roller frame guys, you could order MZX frames with 31" long rollers and 21" short. The extra 3" could just hang out there maybe.
I actually now have 25 21x26 frames and 25 23x23 frames. My understanding is 31" is too long to go, but I may need to investigate.
Rich, great to hear! Thanks!
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I actually now have 25 21x26 frames and 25 23x23 frames. My understanding is 31" is too long to go, but I may need to investigate.
Where you guys getting these odd size frames from? I tried to cut down a 23x31 roller frame whoever put it together didn't ever mean for it to come apart.
Just talk with Rich about half hour ago so we,ll see what he has, plus he is willing to make the amount we want...Action don't seem to think this size flood has a market.
Darryl
Thanks Rich
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I also have 20"x24" and 20"x28" panel frames also 40 18"x20" MZX Rollor Frames. I think the 14" flood bar with wings would be the right size for 20"x24"s or 20"x28". Does Action Make 14" squeegee holders?
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I also have 20"x24" and 20"x28" panel frames also 40 18"x20" MZX Rollor Frames. I think the 14" flood bar with wings would be the right size for 20"x24"s or 20"x28". Does Action Make 14" squeegee holders?
I have a hunch the 14" squeegee holder may be a special make as well. Darryl are you just centering the 14" squeegee in the 15" holder, or do you have a special holder?
CC, how do you like the panel frames?
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I will make a 14" that can be expanded to 15" and send to 3 deep for evaluation. If he likes it I will make a standard part and you can order one at a time
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Shane everything was cut 14" from the factory before thay shipped our press, holders ,floodbars, squeegees. The 14's have did everything we have needed them to do, now if I get those winged flood I might be in high cotton, I hate to card ink when I,m on a roll.
Darryl
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Rich Hoffman = class act
Thanks Rich!
Darryl, I took apart my 21x23 (18x20id) and 23x26 Newmans and swapped the bars around.
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I actually now have 25 21x26 frames and 25 23x23 frames. My understanding is 31" is too long to go, but I may need to investigate.
Where you guys getting these odd size frames from? I tried to cut down a 23x31 roller frame whoever put it together didn't ever mean for it to come apart.
Just talk with Rich about half hour ago so we,ll see what he has, plus he is willing to make the amount we want...Action don't seem to think this size flood has a market.
Darryl
Thanks Rich
Heard from the plant. The squeegee will ship out on Monday. Send me an address. rich.hoffman@mrprint.com
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Rich,
Thanks for helping with this. If Daryl likes them I will order 3-6 of them to start. Thanks again.
Brian