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screen printing => Equipment => Topic started by: ericheartsu on September 19, 2014, 06:47:21 PM
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delivered about 3 hours ago. All uncrated. We start putting it into place on Wed. and the tech comes next Monday.
Thanks to everyone on the board. this is board and the people on it are so helpful and awesome, it make it a treat to pretend to be apart of this community.
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delivered about 3 hours ago. All uncrated. We start putting it into place on Wed. and the tech comes next Monday.
Thanks to everyone on the board. this is board and the people on it are so helpful and awesome, it make it a treat to pretend to be apart of this community.
you are going to really enjoy running the Gauntlet! Congratulations and thank you for choosing M&R a as your supplier!
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I want to see tons of pictures and videos!
I am very jealous!
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Congrats man! Can't wait to see the pics & vids!
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does it come standard with laser placement? someone told me it did, but I never heard that when I was going to get one.
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I spent an hour around this machine yesterday and I'm going to start a thread on Monday about all of the machines I saw but I will say this about the G3: It's a FREAKING MONSTER!!! You set that thing up in your shop and you never move it, you just put 30 million imprints on it and maintain it properly and you're good. My thoughts were that if the Ft. Worth Convention Center were hit with an airstrike yesterday, the only thing that would still be running is the G3. It's a tank, with a great operating system that will do everything you'd ever want in an auto. It's hard to describe, it was a 12/14 so obviously it was larger than the other 6, 8 and 10 color machines that were at the show, but it looks like if it got hungry, it would go swallow the other machines whole then crap out the pieces in the corner. The screen holders could be taken off and used to smash the other machines into a mangled pile of metal. Not that the Gauntlet II was light in the loafers (will always be one of the best they ever made) or the other presses were any less impressive in what they did, but this is a serious machine, for serious shops and if you're not one of those then you probably don't deserve to own it. Artsy Fartsy print shops need not apply, they will be too scared to be in the same room with the G3.
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I spent an hour around this machine yesterday and I'm going to start a thread on Monday about all of the machines I saw but I will say this about the G3: It's a FREAKING MONSTER!!! You set that thing up in your shop and you never move it, you just put 30 million imprints on it and maintain it properly and you're good. My thoughts were that if the Ft. Worth Convention Center were hit with an airstrike yesterday, the only thing that would still be running is the G3. It's a tank, with a great operating system that will do everything you'd ever want in an auto. It's hard to describe, it was a 12/14 so obviously it was larger than the other 6, 8 and 10 color machines that were at the show, but it looks like if it got hungry, it would go swallow the other machines whole then crap out the pieces in the corner. The screen holders could be taken off and used to smash the other machines into a mangled pile of metal. Not that the Gauntlet II was light in the loafers (will always be one of the best they ever made) or the other presses were any less impressive in what they did, but this is a serious machine, for serious shops and if you're not one of those then you probably don't deserve to own it. Artsy Fartsy print shops need not apply, they will be too scared to be in the same room with the G3.
Best press review ever.
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I spent an hour around this machine yesterday and I'm going to start a thread on Monday about all of the machines I saw but I will say this about the G3: It's a FREAKING MONSTER!!! You set that thing up in your shop and you never move it, you just put 30 million imprints on it and maintain it properly and you're good. My thoughts were that if the Ft. Worth Convention Center were hit with an airstrike yesterday, the only thing that would still be running is the G3. It's a tank, with a great operating system that will do everything you'd ever want in an auto. It's hard to describe, it was a 12/14 so obviously it was larger than the other 6, 8 and 10 color machines that were at the show, but it looks like if it got hungry, it would go swallow the other machines whole then crap out the pieces in the corner. The screen holders could be taken off and used to smash the other machines into a mangled pile of metal. Not that the Gauntlet II was light in the loafers (will always be one of the best they ever made) or the other presses were any less impressive in what they did, but this is a serious machine, for serious shops and if you're not one of those then you probably don't deserve to own it. Artsy Fartsy print shops need not apply, they will be too scared to be in the same room with the G3.
What is the list price at the show? Just curious?
Shane
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We got ours with two red chilli ds, for $110K i believe.
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does it come standard with laser placement? someone told me it did, but I never heard that when I was going to get one.
Alan, Thanks for the review. It was my pleasure spending time with you going over the GTIII. I look forward to visiting you again in the near future. Have a great weekend. Rich
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Install starts at 10am on Monday
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Quite the upgrade from that old Xpress, huh Eric ... Congrats and good luck
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SO JEALOUS! I'll have to come take a look next time I visit my parents in Htown
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MORE PICS
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Screen printer porn right there.
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Why so many peanuts tho
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Why so many peanuts tho
Easy one to answer. Did anything come in damaged? No? There is your answer!
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Why so many peanuts tho
Shelly gets in the box every time and we have to dig her out.
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Badass, let me know your thoughts after a week of printing on it..... I'm narrowing my next purchase down between a gt3 and ch3d so would like to hear your thoughts. We've got a small clan of ch3d guys here but looks like you might be the first with the gt3 on the forum. Let us know
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Why so many peanuts tho
Shelly gets in the box every time and we have to dig her out.
You think she's trying to tell you something? ;)
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Why so many peanuts tho
Shelly gets in the box every time and we have to dig her out.
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Why so many peanuts tho
Shelly gets in the box every time and we have to dig her out.
You think she's trying to tell you something? ;)
Yup... That she loves packing beads.
At least she's not pretending to poop 3 times a day ;)
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No, just trying to get shipped the hell out of there!
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No, just trying to get shipped the hell out of there!
Yet some how she's at work smiling everyday for over 10 years now. ;)
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after a very rough morning, we got going around 12:30pm today, and within 4 hours had all heads up and addresses set, head supports in and bolted, servo installed, and the base bolted in. Our Tech Ryan is killing it. I was super impressed with how well everything fits together, and how easy it is (at least looks) to install and set up. Tomorrow we are starting at 7am, and will hopefully be printing at the end of the day!
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Ryan? Ryan is a great tech and guy! Tell him I say hello haha!
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7am, time to make the donuts
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Lookin' good!
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Looks nice!
You guys are going to have to help me here I'm not fully literate in M&R...
I thought it went Sportsman EXG--> Gauntlet 3 --> Challenger 3D or is it Sportsman EXG--> Challenger 3D --> Gauntlet 3?
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Lookin good Eric!! 8)
I thought it went Sportsman EXG--> Gauntlet 3 --> Challenger 3D or is it Sportsman EXG--> Challenger 3D --> Gauntlet 3?
I'd imagine the Sportsman EXG (Gauntlet 2.5) will be replaced by the G3. Could be completely wrong on that though. The G3 is the CH3D's little brother.
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That is what I thought, but if I'm not mistaken does the CH3D not have arm supports like that?
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That is what I thought, but if I'm not mistaken does the CH3D not have arm supports like that?
Yes the CH3D has head supports.
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=691987964175571&set=vb.138282122879494&type=3&theater (https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=691987964175571&set=vb.138282122879494&type=3&theater)
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Don't confuse a III with a IIID. Big differences. (I think)
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The III and IIId I believe are similiar bim, except the D has all the digital features that make it crazy cool
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That is what I thought, but if I'm not mistaken does the CH3D not have arm supports like that?
Yes the CH3D has head supports.
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=691987964175571&set=vb.138282122879494&type=3&theater (https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=691987964175571&set=vb.138282122879494&type=3&theater)
Ahhhhhh I see. Ignorance on my part as usual, do they make them without head supports? I am seeing in my head somewhere one without them. That being said I see a lot of things in my head so that may not mean anything ;D
Brandt, who's busted ass shop is that in the video you posted? ;) ;D ;) ;D Thanks for the education this morning guys!
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7:00am - time to make the $$ Dough $$
Real Nice!!
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That is what I thought, but if I'm not mistaken does the CH3D not have arm supports like that?
Yes the CH3D has head supports.
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=691987964175571&set=vb.138282122879494&type=3&theater (https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=691987964175571&set=vb.138282122879494&type=3&theater)
Ahhhhhh I see. Ignorance on my part as usual, do they make them without head supports? I am seeing in my head somewhere one without them. That being said I see a lot of things in my head so that may not mean anything ;D
Brandt, who's busted ass shop is that in the video you posted? ;) ;D ;) ;D Thanks for the education this morning guys!
I don't think the CH3D comes without head supports, but I could also be wrong on that for sure.
As far as that busted ass shop ;)
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We have a Sportsmen EXG 8/10 that doesn't have head supports. I do believe that all the new series ( G3, Ch3 ) have head supports do to the head movement versus the the carousel up, down.
Murphy37
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We have a 16 color CIIID and it DOES have support arms on every head. The thing is 19' plus in diameter. Same with our CII. We have a 14 color GII (not III) that has supports on three heads.
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It's based on how long the print head is. Adding support and stability without increasing the size of the tube the head is made of, for many reasons.
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From what 244 told me several months back, the G3 is basically the C3 55 series, with a different control panel, slightly slower indexing servo and belt, with the laser placement feature added. I think they are doing away with the C3 55 series and the G3 takes it's place as a mid way point from EXG and C3 for the shop who needs the speed, wants the up/down heads, but doesn't necessarily need the gigantore image area. I believe this G3 still has an image area suitable for Jumbo prints, just not AOP.
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From what 244 told me several months back, the G3 is basically the C3 55 series, with a different control panel, slightly slower indexing servo and belt, with the laser placement feature added. I think they are doing away with the C3 55 series and the G3 takes it's place as a mid way point from EXG and C3 for the shop who needs the speed, wants the up/down heads, but doesn't necessarily need the gigantore image area. I believe this G3 still has an image area suitable for Jumbo prints, just not AOP.
That sounds about right. It really is the CH3 55 with a few slight changes. The CH3 55 is not listed on mrprint any more I noticed too. We just picked up a CH3 55 used earlier this year and at the rate we are going we will need another soon, but don't have the space for it here. Will definitely be checking out the G3 at ISS Long Beach.
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From what 244 told me several months back, the G3 is basically the C3 55 series, with a different control panel, slightly slower indexing servo and belt, with the laser placement feature added. I think they are doing away with the C3 55 series and the G3 takes it's place as a mid way point from EXG and C3 for the shop who needs the speed, wants the up/down heads, but doesn't necessarily need the gigantore image area. I believe this G3 still has an image area suitable for Jumbo prints, just not AOP.
I was told the same thing. A few little things here and there but the G3 is what a Ch3-55 used to be. If we would have bought a Ch3 it would have been the 55 model because I don't have any desire to do jumbo prints, much less AOP. All you guys can do those prints all day long, I'll stick with 16x20's as our max.
Eric, from start to finish, what is the install time not counting unforeseen stuff? When looking at the G3 I thought the install time would be a bit more than it's competition which is why I prefaced my comments with leaving the machine in place and not wanting to move it around...EVER. Our press install went really fast and since we've only bought one auto I haven't a clue as to how long installs usually take. Our dryer install only took a couple hours but me and my guys had put it all together except for the belt and the gas/electrical lines. Our tech had one of the easiest installs ever, I think his eyes lit up when he walked in and saw what was already done.
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We have a Sportsmen EXG 8/10 that doesn't have head supports. I do believe that all the new series ( G3, Ch3 ) have head supports do to the head movement versus the the carousel up, down.
Murphy37
We have a 12 color Sportsman that has head supports.
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We have a Sports. 12/14 with supports, our other ones don't need it.
Murphy37
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Wouldn't the print size and more colors maybe part of it. More colors and bigger print area require the arms?
Shane
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From what 244 told me several months back, the G3 is basically the C3 55 series, with a different control panel, slightly slower indexing servo and belt, with the laser placement feature added. I think they are doing away with the C3 55 series and the G3 takes it's place as a mid way point from EXG and C3 for the shop who needs the speed, wants the up/down heads, but doesn't necessarily need the gigantore image area. I believe this G3 still has an image area suitable for Jumbo prints, just not AOP.
I was told the same thing. A few little things here and there but the G3 is what a Ch3-55 used to be. If we would have bought a Ch3 it would have been the 55 model because I don't have any desire to do jumbo prints, much less AOP. All you guys can do those prints all day long, I'll stick with 16x20's as our max.
Eric, from start to finish, what is the install time not counting unforeseen stuff? When looking at the G3 I thought the install time would be a bit more than it's competition which is why I prefaced my comments with leaving the machine in place and not wanting to move it around...EVER. Our press install went really fast and since we've only bought one auto I haven't a clue as to how long installs usually take. Our dryer install only took a couple hours but me and my guys had put it all together except for the belt and the gas/electrical lines. Our tech had one of the easiest installs ever, I think his eyes lit up when he walked in and saw what was already done.
Let's see, Ryan showed up at around 9:30am yesterday, and due to an oversight in my part (I completely forgot to have the electricians run the buck boost transformers, thankfully they squeezed me in on Monday morning, but the two guys that came had no clue what they were doing in this instance, and took 5 hours to install) didn't get started until around noon. He worked from noon to 4. Yesterday all heads and head supports were installed.
Today Ryan came in 7am, dealt with a couple of electrical issues (set us back about 30-45 mins), and left at 4pm. Today arms, pallets, arm supports, off contact, registration, and registration tuning took place.
Tomorrow he is coming in around 7, i'm sure the parts from M&R will be here around 8, and we'll have the first job up and running tomorrow right after lunch.
I don't about other installs, but that seems lightning fast to me. Ryan is a heck a tech, and is a beast. He did almost all of it perfectly without any help from my dumb self.
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M&R probably has more then 1 tech named Ryan but we had Ryan from tx do the install on our ch3 last yr so chances are same guy. Since we were replacing a gt2 that was in the same location the install was quick. Ryan came in around 9 I believe worked through the day with little help other then us helping move things into place, then came in the next morning buttoned a few things up and we were printing that day. Basically only took 1 1/2 days and we were printing. It seems like I never have a slow time anymore and the techs are good about getting us up and running as they know we have to get going or we are screwed LOL......Key is to have everything ready for the techs as that's what always slows em down. Our ch3 press is so mean production wise I can only imagine the gt3 since it's so similar will be awesome as well. It will be what replaces our next press to go for sure. Give us an update tomorrow when you get that thing ripping, nothing like a new press humming that's for sure.
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Both of our M&R installs were very quick. Rod did one and Todd did the other. Both great techs both some of the longest running M&R techs they have. Our CH3D took a day to assemble and power on and get running. I think he was there from about 7:30 to 5pm. The next day we were printing jobs on it by 11-12 in the afternoon. That was with a damaged fork prox sensor hit by something in shipping and it being overnight shipped and fixed, so that slowed it down only a few minutes though really. They say a couple days to be sure its running right and off they go.
We did have the machine and its parts outta the crates, staged, and the machine placed within a few inches of where it needed to be. Power and air both ready.
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That's how to do it Brandt. BTW Rod & Todd = awesome
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That's how to do it Brandt. BTW Rod & Todd = awesome
Yup, both installs were way smooth. Todd was a machine, Rod wasn't far behind him. Pretty sure if I remember we were printing on day one of the Sportsman install. Todd did our Sportsman and Rod did the CH3D.
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M&R probably has more then 1 tech named Ryan but we had Ryan from tx do the install on our ch3 last yr so chances are same guy. Since we were replacing a gt2 that was in the same location the install was quick. Ryan came in around 9 I believe worked through the day with little help other then us helping move things into place, then came in the next morning buttoned a few things up and we were printing that day. Basically only took 1 1/2 days and we were printing. It seems like I never have a slow time anymore and the techs are good about getting us up and running as they know we have to get going or we are screwed LOL......Key is to have everything ready for the techs as that's what always slows em down. Our ch3 press is so mean production wise I can only imagine the gt3 since it's so similar will be awesome as well. It will be what replaces our next press to go for sure. Give us an update tomorrow when you get that thing ripping, nothing like a new press humming that's for sure.
same ryan! he is awesome!
Dealing with a saftey error, but as soon as that's dealt with, hopefully we'll be printing a 5 color shirt as the first job. Super excited to see this bad boy printing.
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That's how to do it Brandt. BTW Rod & Todd = awesome
Yup, both installs were way smooth. Todd was a machine, Rod wasn't far behind him. Pretty sure if I remember we were printing on day one of the Sportsman install. Todd did our Sportsman and Rod did the CH3D.
Todd was the Maintenance Director back our Harlequin Nature Graphics days. Good times!
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Post some vids!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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So Ryan came in at 7:15 this morning. Around 8:30 UPS arrived with some overnight parts. They were swapped out, and by 11am we were setting up our first job and going over basic features. by noon we had our job Tri loc'd, and then took lunch.
everyone came back around 12:45, and by 1:15 we had screens locked in, inked up, and ready to go. Our first tri lock'd shirt, and it was almost perfect. We were printing a 5 color job, and our last screen, the black, was a little warped from our stretching screen being moved, so that took some slight tweaking.
WHY DIDN'T YOU GUYS TELL ME HOW AWESOME THE TRI LOCK AND THE I-IMAGE ARE TOGETHER!
The press is so smooth and easy to use,my wife and I almost started crying with how simple, not to mention tool-less everything is.
The Park and Ink dip features, so simple, but so freaking awesome. All the programming is easy to use, simple, and so complex.
I'd say the only flaw that I saw on the press, and i'm sure it's not really a flaw as much as user error, has to do with the tri lock pallet.
On these newer presses, the head supports are built in such a way to allow the red chilli, or i guess any flash to go deeper. TOTALLY AWESOME for printing. NOT AWESOME if you are tri locking a job, and someone pushes the flash in to get around it. See what happened is there is a clear line that our tech set up, that the flash could not move past. Someone who came into training late, did not hear that, and pushed the flash into the head a little further. We finished the first job, and the second job was being set up, and BOOM. Thankfully it only hit the head support, and the body of the red chili. The head support got bent, and most likely isn't use-able anymore.
The other issue that I'm so thankful didn't happen is we were told that if the front screen holder is not either locked in, or in the full up right position, the Tri Loc pallet could possibly hit that, and game over.
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oh and I can't say this enough, our tech Ryan is killing it for us. Not only is he helpful, super knowlegdeable, and all around a very nice person, he was helping us with other M&R equipment while we were waiting for parts to come in, as well as answering all of our foolish and nonsense questions without any issues or problems at all.
now if you'll excuse me, i have one of the world's most disorganized warehouses, and about 45 emails from 45 different clients to answer!
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So Ryan came in at 7:15 this morning. Around 8:30 UPS arrived with some overnight parts. They were swapped out, and by 11am we were setting up our first job and going over basic features. by noon we had our job Tri loc'd, and then took lunch.
everyone came back around 12:45, and by 1:15 we had screens locked in, inked up, and ready to go. Our first tri lock'd shirt, and it was almost perfect. We were printing a 5 color job, and our last screen, the black, was a little warped from our stretching screen being moved, so that took some slight tweaking.
WHY DIDN'T YOU GUYS TELL ME HOW AWESOME THE TRI LOCK AND THE I-IMAGE ARE TOGETHER!
The press is so smooth and easy to use,my wife and I almost started crying with how simple, not to mention tool-less everything is.
The Park and Ink dip features, so simple, but so freaking awesome. All the programming is easy to use, simple, and so complex.
I'd say the only flaw that I saw on the press, and i'm sure it's not really a flaw as much as user error, has to do with the tri lock pallet.
On these newer presses, the head supports are built in such a way to allow the red chilli, or i guess any flash to go deeper. TOTALLY AWESOME for printing. NOT AWESOME if you are tri locking a job, and someone pushes the flash in to get around it. See what happened is there is a clear line that our tech set up, that the flash could not move past. Someone who came into training late, did not hear that, and pushed the flash into the head a little further. We finished the first job, and the second job was being set up, and BOOM. Thankfully it only hit the head support, and the body of the red chili. The head support got bent, and most likely isn't use-able anymore.
The other issue that I'm so thankful didn't happen is we were told that if the front screen holder is not either locked in, or in the full up right position, the Tri Loc pallet could possibly hit that, and game over.
Even though the tech informed you of the clearance issue its our issue it can happen. Contact me tomorrow and I will replace the head support.
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So Ryan came in at 7:15 this morning. Around 8:30 UPS arrived with some overnight parts. They were swapped out, and by 11am we were setting up our first job and going over basic features. by noon we had our job Tri loc'd, and then took lunch.
everyone came back around 12:45, and by 1:15 we had screens locked in, inked up, and ready to go. Our first tri lock'd shirt, and it was almost perfect. We were printing a 5 color job, and our last screen, the black, was a little warped from our stretching screen being moved, so that took some slight tweaking.
WHY DIDN'T YOU GUYS TELL ME HOW AWESOME THE TRI LOCK AND THE I-IMAGE ARE TOGETHER!
The press is so smooth and easy to use,my wife and I almost started crying with how simple, not to mention tool-less everything is.
The Park and Ink dip features, so simple, but so freaking awesome. All the programming is easy to use, simple, and so complex.
I'd say the only flaw that I saw on the press, and i'm sure it's not really a flaw as much as user error, has to do with the tri lock pallet.
On these newer presses, the head supports are built in such a way to allow the red chilli, or i guess any flash to go deeper. TOTALLY AWESOME for printing. NOT AWESOME if you are tri locking a job, and someone pushes the flash in to get around it. See what happened is there is a clear line that our tech set up, that the flash could not move past. Someone who came into training late, did not hear that, and pushed the flash into the head a little further. We finished the first job, and the second job was being set up, and BOOM. Thankfully it only hit the head support, and the body of the red chili. The head support got bent, and most likely isn't use-able anymore.
The other issue that I'm so thankful didn't happen is we were told that if the front screen holder is not either locked in, or in the full up right position, the Tri Loc pallet could possibly hit that, and game over.
Even though the tech informed you of the clearance issue its our issue it can happen. Contact me tomorrow and I will replace the head support.
Hey Rich, it's already on the way! But thanks again, and i can't thank everyone at M&R for all their help!
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Yeah, too bad nobody mentioned Tri-Loc and CTS (throw in a CIII) would be a game changer. :P
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Yeah, too bad nobody mentioned Tri-Loc and CTS (throw in a CIII) would be a game changer. :P
I dunno but 3-4 guys here saying that ;) LOL
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Waiting for ours :) .. still a few weeks away (I-Image + 10c Sportsman E)
After manually registering several 6 color jobs on the Javelin the last few days, the CTS + TriLoc combo is going to be out of this world amazing.
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this press is a monster. So smooth, so quick to set up and tear down. man this rules.
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My guy is on Reddit (or whatever it is) and is "subscribed" (or whatever you kids do on there) to the screen printing something or another and the other day he said "Hey, check this out" and showed me a picture of a G3 he said it's being installed today. I said, Oh is that Eric in Houston?
It was. LOL
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I saw that in that section as well.
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this press is a monster. So smooth, so quick to set up and tear down. man this rules.
Comooooooooooooon bro ;D URRRR killin us, post some vids ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :P
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i'll try and post some today or tomorrow. who would have thought that moving everything in your shop, and having an install would put you behind on your work?
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here is a quick 5 sec video, with no sound of a three color discharge job we just ran!
http://instagram.com/p/t1KNdSg8lv/?modal=true (http://instagram.com/p/t1KNdSg8lv/?modal=true)
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Nice Eric. Short and sweet but illustrates how quick you can go without the nasty UB, flash, mesh tension and "which white is better?" anxiety. We've been doing it this way for more than 20 ys when everyone thought we were crazy (many still do ;)) It's why you never see me chime in on s-mesh, shear characteristics, etc. Many will find that a lot of that, (while important for some, is not for others.
Welcome to the dark side.