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screen printing => Equipment => Topic started by: mpot on October 06, 2014, 02:35:31 PM
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We have some double sided pallet adhesive (a roll of) for our manual press but are running low. Anyone use this and if so where do you get it from?
Thanks,
Matt
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Not sure about the double sided tape, but I think the majority of us use standard pallet tape with waterbased adhesive. I would say it is the superior method.
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How often are you applying the adhesive? I have made a decision to start using wb adhesive and over 3 days I think I have had to apply at least daily.
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I only reapply if it loses it's tac. I clean off the lint with a scrub brush every few hundred shirts depending on the shirt style and the design (spray with a little water and the lint comes right off). It is typically as good as new after scrubbing, and I would say I easily go a few thousand shirts without reapplying the glue. Honestly unless I am doing deep penetrating discharge or have something out of the ordinary, I typically change the glue and the tape at the same time. I'm not sure about other shops, but the tac is a miracle worker compared to spray adhesives etc.
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We use the double sided and then also use the water based adhesive. We think over time we get less buildup. When you clean off the water based it brings it back to a base sticky material.
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How often are you applying the adhesive? I have made a decision to start using wb adhesive and over 3 days I think I have had to apply at least daily.
Are you ever cleaning and rejuvenating, or just re-applying it over lint?
As pointed out, a little water, a brush or scrub pad, a trip under the fals, and usually, voila! good to go again.
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Gerry are you cleaning up your pallets at all? We probably apply glue every couple days at most, depends
on what we're running though. Simple green and water + a rag/brush + a quick flash = renewed pallet adhesive.
I will say that I don't like the Image Technologies product though, it doesn't renew nearly as well as the CCI for us.
Matter of fact, there's not much I like from them...
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We have some double sided pallet adhesive (a roll of) for our manual press but are running low. Anyone use this and if so where do you get it from?
Thanks,
Matt
Haven't used it in many years, but R Jennings sells it.
http://rjennings.3dcartstores.com/AdhesivesPellons_c_7.html (http://rjennings.3dcartstores.com/AdhesivesPellons_c_7.html)
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I applied right over the lint. I wonder if that locked the lint down and now have to change the tape. I guess its worth a try.
I am using the IT since I got a sample but also have CCI's so I will try both.
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Yep, never apply new glue over lint. Clean first. That said, you should still be able to clean it off.
It doesn't work at all when applied over lint.
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And don't be surprised if immediately after cleaning, and still damp, it doesn't feel sticky. That comes with drying, and, as I said, sped up with the flash.
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Yea, right over the old lint is basically not going to do you any good. It will seriously release like 95% of the lint with a quick spray of water and a quick scrub and after a few seconds under the flash it will hold for a few hundred more shirts. It's AWESOME! If you haven't experienced that yet, just wait. You'll love it :D
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One thing I did notice is that it is damm sticky when fresh, almost to sticky. I just put a small bead across the back of the pallet and use a spreader and spread it toward me.
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Moose an to the rescue again!
He posted this for me a while back, eye opening. We do this and never looked back.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1mMFmDvOPw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1mMFmDvOPw)
Yes,it's uber tacky at first but you find the balance.
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If it's too strong, cut it with water.
And dye it.
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Great video. Does the simple green or mean green or whatever hurt the adhesive? I have always just used water and the lint comes off just as easily as in the video and takes maybe 3 seconds under a flash, or if the pallets are already warm from a run it is basically instantly tacky again. I would be worried adding some kind of soap/solvent would mess with the glue.
I should mention I cut my TexTac about 2/1 with water/glue. Still works great. I have been using the same gallon of textac for like 2 or 3 years.
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Simple Green doesn't hurt anything here, and makes lint removal that much faster. Dries faster too.
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I like 50/50 Windex/Water too.
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Never done it any other way, we also cut our TexTac... no clue how much as I'm not involved with all that very much any longer.
I'm mainly here to look pretty and take credit. ;)
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I like the simple green thing, it seems to be a better tac after the pallets are scrubbed.
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We got a roll of it from www.atlasscreensupply.net (http://www.atlasscreensupply.net)
never used it, but they have some!
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Where does one find that Simple Green?
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Home depot carries simple green.
does this technique work with pallet tape? Or are those that are doing it, just running bare pallets?
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Home depot carries simple green.
does this technique work with pallet tape? Or are those that are doing it, just running bare pallets?
Yes, it works, and almost everyone who uses the waterbased stickum, takes advantage of the easy changeover afforded by tape.
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Dollar General is where we get ours... last forever, we cut it I think.
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I wasn't sure how the pallet tape would react to the simple green. Going to have to try this, as water alone doesn't seem to work so well.
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I put down a dollop and then use a wet paper towel to spread it to got the 50/50 (or so) mix.
Never thought about dye. I'll have to look into that.
What color seems to be the favorite?
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mpot-
I got a sample of that double sided tape when we were first looking
at a new system over spray tack. It is EXPENSIVE compared to what the
guy's are talking about. Unless you are looking at small amounts,
go water based adhesive with pallet tape.
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Moose an to the rescue again!
He posted this for me a while back, eye opening. We do this and never looked back.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1mMFmDvOPw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1mMFmDvOPw)
Yes,it's uber tacky at first but you find the balance.
Not to steal thunder but pretty sure he got that from an old post of mine. Anyway that's how to roll with that. Cardboard underneath. Mountain of tack on a 16/18!
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After reading this board I think I'm going to switch from spray adhesive to wb and I have a couple of questions.
I don't print everyday. I'm planning to card the adhesive onto the pallet. Is there a brand that holds up better to days off?
For pallet tape, would vinyl application tape work ok?
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Carding = messy
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After reading this board I think I'm going to switch from spray adhesive to wb and I have a couple of questions.
I don't print everyday. I'm planning to card the adhesive onto the pallet. Is there a brand that holds up better to days off?
For pallet tape, would vinyl application tape work ok?
Halleluiah, another convert to wb!!! Can we get an AMEN?
I don't print everyday either. Sometimes quite a bit of time goes by. You will find this funny and amazing. Put down the wb and print your job. When done, walk away and leave the stuff on the pallet. Next time you're ready to print, take a wet paper towel and wipe off the dust and any leftover lint and you're going to find the damn stuff is probably still sticky and ready to go. If you hit the pallet for a few seconds with a flash or heat gun to warm it up, it gets even stickier.
Carding is messy. Just drop a silver dollar size dollop and spread it around with a wet paper towel. This does two things. Spreads it around and thins it down a little so it's more near a 50/50 blend. It don't have to be on there solid and probably best if not unless you're doing fleece or hoodies.
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Scrubby pad from screen room works best. Rinse after immediately after use
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You almost can't mess up with wb tack... And even if you managed to, it's cheap enough. ;)