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screen printing => General Screen Printing => Topic started by: Maxie on October 26, 2014, 05:42:42 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XEpcU5eDmM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XEpcU5eDmM)
This is a link to a short Kornit made in my plant showing the Paradigm printer.
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Very cool, what's retail on that bad boy?
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Very cool!
Pierre
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that video was insane.
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I don't know what it cost retail, I got mine as a Beta from the factory.
I got a really good deal because they needed to test it on a carousel, it works with my MHM instead on one of the heads.
It's a amazing machine but designed for big production. In Europe it's used by printers working for brand names doing big runs.
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That's pretty dam slick.
Is there any problems with head strikes or a sensor to prevent them. I would assume after a bunch of garments the lint would build up on the pallet and at the very least change the head clearance. Not knocking the thing just curious.
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Saw this running at SGIA. Didn't have enough time to take a good look at it, but it does look nice. Opens up some doors.
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The print head moves back (out of the way) before the carousel turns. It's not that close that lint will effect it, the pallets have to be level.
The head can be raised for fleece.
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The print head moves back (out of the way) before the carousel turns. It's not that close that lint will effect it, the pallets have to be level.
The head can be raised for fleece.
Whats the max speed you can run dz per hour on something like this?
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Very cool to see it work; seems a little slow compared to normal production, but the high margin that can be had seems to make it worth it...
Steve
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Very cool to see it work; seems a little slow compared to normal production, but the high margin that can be had seems to make it worth it...
Steve
And your 6-10 color machine just became a million color press. ;)
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Very cool to see it work; seems a little slow compared to normal production, but the high margin that can be had seems to make it worth it...
Steve
And your 6-10 color machine just became a million color press. ;)
isn't any 6-10 color machine million color press already? You can print CMYK also without DTG add on
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But this thing can lay down a rich full color graphic on darks with screen printing an under base first. Can even lay heavy/rich spot colors on top/around the DTG image.
Obviously I'm sure Maxie isn't running 4 color jobs with this thing and is reserving it for when needed. Like being revolver mode but he's adding colors vs flash stations.
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I think you can expect to get 1-3 garments per minute depending on the complexity of the design. I can see some smaller prints being faster and perhaps you could squeeze 4-5 per minute which would be unbelievable. I know that many years ago, for me at least, when I first started in this industry I was being sold on the old T-jet machines at the ISS Ft Worth show and I left that show thinking DTG would be WAY, WAY, WAY further along than it is today. My father-in-law was very interested in the DTG and one of my first tasks when I started here was to research the validity of the claims by the T-jet salesman and to figure out if this was something that we could use. That was when I found the first industry forum I participated in and as they say...the rest is history. It obviously didn't take long to figure out what the deal was and I don't want to muddy this awesome thread up with all of my hot industry takes on the past, present and future of DTG.
This latest combination is finally something that I could see being versatile in that it could work in many more shops than it could in it's former state as a stand-alone unit. For many years I thought the only DTG I would invest in was the Brother for light colored garments because that thing is/was a workhorse for so many shops. I really like this Kornit machine and how it's being integrated into an auto and I'd love to see some additional video on how/what/when/where it all comes together and works.
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This is truly the first DTG machine that I've been really interested in. If I'm correct, it runs $110,000.
Maxie (or anyone else that may know) how smooth does the white under base have to be to get a solid print on top of it? Obviously we all want smooth clean prints, but I'm concerned about some peaks and valleys that could cause issues with the top color laying down correctly (such as white dots where they shouldn't be).
Now if we can just get it to run faster and be priced cheaper...
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See a market for it but definitely not where we are going. Which is less colors and well, you know> And yes if the throughput #s and price are correct not quite ready for prime time.
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If you want faster (and with speed comes a price!) look at the Aeoon. Claims of 400 lights or 200 darks per hour (twice that "based on an A4 print size"). Saw it at SGIA. Wasn't running when I was there. Seems like I heard price tag was pushing 500K. Maybe next year.
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All though very interesting, I see this as very over the top stuff that only a few shops would use from where I sit now, also depends on the fade at the time and how long will it last to make money from it. There is only so much you can do to a T-shirt for that wow factor and what people really want to wear and buy...time will tell if I'm correct or dead wrong, but I did like the vid 8)
darryl
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We screen print the primer or white base.
Kornit have stand alone printers as well. This one works with a carousel.
I have been following the DTP printers for a long time, the early machines marketed did a lot of damage to the market.
They were not ready to be marketed. The inks blocked the heads, especially the white. They basically took a Epson printer and turned it into a digital textile printer.
Kornit designed their machines from scratch as garment printers. They made their own colors, the maintenance is easy and inks much cheaper than anything I have seen on the market. These are serious professional machines. Not cheap but made to work. If you have volume they are great.
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Very cool to see it work; seems a little slow compared to normal production, but the high margin that can be had seems to make it worth it...
Steve
And your 6-10 color machine just became a million color press. ;)
isn't any 6-10 color machine million color press already? You can print CMYK also without DTG add on
Well, yes, of course, but it's the very short run component that makes it feasible. Popping a one color white base down then the rest via the DTG, I can kind of see making money as long as there are enough orders and the margin is good.
Steve
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just depends on the order...we run our DTG a ton, not every job gets run digital, but we keep it busy...and it makes us money.
i like this concept, but I still prefer a standalone machine that runs while your auto is running. Right now we are printing digitally, screen printing, and embroidering...4 people here total, so it's nice to have every department kicking work out and making money. if we were backed up on screen printing our digital wouldn't be happening if it was only on the auto. I suppose you could move the unit to a manual carousel though.
I agree with Alan, I thought digital would be further than it is now. I am kinda underwhelmed with how far it hasn't come.
I know 2 shops close to here that are running Kornits...both of them are struggling with printing a good rich red. Brother prints them great, but I struggle with good pinks and purples on white shirts...on dark shirts over a white base it's great. Each machine has it's flaws.
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Maxie- have you had any experience with the one before this one? I talked briefly with Kornit at SGIA about the one you have(second generation) apparently it is much improved over the first generation ones but the sales lady didn't have details of how or why. :-
There was a shop here locally that actually returned their generation one unit to the vendor....
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I had the first one. As I mentioned I have a Beta machine from Kornit, I get a good deal, they get time to do production tests.
The new machine is a different ball game. Much faster, new program to run it. Large ink tanks.
It's much improved.
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Large ink tanks.
Yeah, looks like it runs on 10w40... synthetic or just plain dino? ;)
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aww, come on gilly, everybody knows the sythetic goes in the fancy silver container.