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General => General Discussion and ??? => Topic started by: Donnie on August 30, 2011, 12:04:58 PM
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gives with people. The economy is bad and jobs are hard to get. I hired this kid to come in an help me around the shop. Works like a gang buster the first week. I Pay him and all of sudden he is late or doesn't show. To me it is simple, either you want to work or you don't want to work. I know you have all been through this BUT holy SH!t! Thanks for the rant. That is all.
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sounds normal
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yep they get a few dollars and they think they are RICH....it is amazing....we went through the same thing about 6 months ago...the kid did not work for 18 months and we gave him a job and after 2 paychecks he just went the hell in a handbasket....amazing...
Sam
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Dealing with the same thing right now. Almost fired her yesterday. Lets see if she makes it through today.
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You hire women? They should be in the kitchen. J/K
Seriously though, with the economy as bad as it is, you'd think people would care about working. It goes to show you that a large chunk of people will never leave their economic status...because of themselves. Yet they complain that everybody else is the reason for their troubles.
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This occurs less frequently in the large shops. The employees often police themselves, especially in cities like ATL where there is a diverse and quite willing workforce. There is a degree of cultural pride. The young American kids have it too good IMO.
Conversely in the large shops you often have the scenario where some young superstars learn to be great press ops by busting their ass for six months.......and subsequently slack off because "you need them".
I just start over with some new turk.
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I've got a buddy who runs the US Airways desk in Gainesville, and he can't get anyone with an ounce of ambition. He's up front with the requirements, one of which is training in Charlotte, and within a couple of weeks they're whining. He cuts 'em loose. Can't figure why they take the job and then complain about having to work.
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I had my brother here from Serbia for 2.5 months (21 years old). I do not know if you know what the situation is over there, but I can tell you that it is not good. Economy is terrible, people work for $300-$400/month, and it is not much cheaper to live than here.
I tried to show him a bit about screen printing, tried to show him the plans for a simple presses (You know where from, T-Shirt forum) and to teach him the basics (That is all I know). He is finishing college, but there is no chance he will find a job after he is done next year, so I thought that he can start up a small shop where he can produce a few hundred shirts a month. He was interested for about 30 minutes, and then he realized that he will actually need to do something. You know, WORK.
I'm 34, and I can still say that I remember how it was when I was 21, but C'Mon. These kids today take everything for granted, they think that money grows on trees.
I'm afraid for my two kids, but hopefully, I'll have enough time to keep them in check with reality.
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it is much easier to get 120 weeks of unemployment...which you don't have to do squat for, than it is to actually work.
cut the entitlements and watch the workforce improve. Without the prospect of free money, actually earning it looks a lot better.
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Your bad experiences with young (single) guys are why my last employer paid me pressman's wages to clean and reclaim!
Grunt work, but for the want of a nail...
Todd Rundgren - Want of a Nail (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Z4TSG2KcO0#)
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Thanks for the clip Andy. Off topic I can't help mentioning that while I can't say we are friends Todd and I have met on several occaisons and I can't tell you what a tremendously genuine and generous guy he is. We even hand delivered merch to him at the Mohecan Sun once and for that he bought us dinner.
I doubt I'll ever meet anyone so talented ever again. Been a fan forever.
tp
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You hire women? They should be in the kitchen. J/K
Seriously though, with the economy as bad as it is, you'd think people would care about working. It goes to show you that a large chunk of people will never leave their economic status...because of themselves. Yet they complain that everybody else is the reason for their troubles.
LOL this one would burn it down. Shes here as a favor for a broker that brings me work. Worst mistake I have made. No more favors.
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I don't know where you guys are getting the "kids today" bs from but I can absolutely, guarantee you , that your grandfather/great-grandfather thinks you are a lazy piece of sh!t. You only work 80 hours a week? OSHA? Turn down PITA jobs?
The kids that bail aren't going somewhere else to be broke, they're going somewhere else to do a job that they like/pays better.
I get sick and tired of hearing about the "kids today" crap. I have respect for "kids today" and I'm not embarrassed to say that.
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HAHAHA, ok, you keep telling yourself that. You would not believe how many absolutely stupid and unmotivated kids there are out there. How many people have you hired in the last 5 years?
From the sounds of it, not many.
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Bobby
the sad part is that some of the people we have had are in the late 30's...old people you know....and they still want to just talk or text on their cell phones...or just hang out and do nothing...
Sam
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I have this talk with a lot of friends that also hire folks. One of my tennis buddies tries to get retirees to come back so he knows what he's getting and won't go through 5 people to find 1 good one.
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HAHAHA, ok, you keep telling yourself that. You would not believe how many absolutely stupid and unmotivated kids there are out there. How many people have you hired in the last 5 years?
From the sounds of it, not many.
Yes, I'm sure there are "many absolutely stupid and unmotivated kids there are out there". I choose not to hire those. Maybe you need a real HR department or better screening.
Sam, yes, it is frustrating (maddening, really) when adults can't be bothered to work.
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No, "Kids today" do not to go to work somewhere else, they go to spend time in the basement playing video games and sleeping. They make enough money to buy top-off-the-line phone, buy new sneakers, and new video game that just came out, and after that, they are on the couch until they get bored.
Those are "kids today", at least 80% of them. I do not know how it was growing up in the Sates, but I can tell you one thing, growing up in Croatia/Serbia was not fun after 1990 and it is still not fun.
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What else are kids supposed to be working for? Their 401k retirement savings plan or what?
Same story, different generation.
80%? Really?
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What else are kids supposed to be working for? Their 401k retirement savings plan or what?
Same story, different generation.
80%? Really?
The question is not what they are supposed to be working for!
If they work for all that, that is OK......... BUT, they can keep the job and they can keep working after they earn enough money to buy all of that. Not many of them will do that.
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I see a lot less drive from kids nowadays than my friends and I had. We were always out mowing lawns, or doing anything else we could for extra cash.
It's the same thing as "older people" that will go out and blow their paycheck on partying over the weekend and miss monday. I am telling you, the best employee I've had were foreign. Except for a handful, and maybe that is the 20% DK was talking about.
I like Dave Ramsey, who says that kids should start working from a very young age. They should get paid to do the chores...it's called their allowance. It ingrains in them from a young age the connection between work and reward.
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I wonder if you paid them like I get paid I. The automotive industry, flat rate or some call it piece work. .25 a shirt or something....I know it motivates me but I do have kids, a house, car note and other thing you know a "life"..;)~ which keeps me going everyday.
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I referred to him as a kid. He is 28 which is a kid to me. Turns out he is divorced and has kids which I really don't think he gives a sh!t about. I should have known better than to get involved but he ask me for work. I don't have time for the F'ing white trash drama.
Oh and did I mention I think he drinks heavily. Last time I checked, booze costs money and I'm pretty damn sure you can't buy it with food stamps.
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I referred to him as a kid. He is 28 which is a kid to me. Turns out he is divorced and has kids which I really don't think he gives a sh!t about. I should have known better than to get involved but he ask me for work. I don't have time for the F'ing white trash drama.
Oh and did I mention I think he drinks heavily. Last time I checked, booze costs money and I'm pretty damn sure you can't buy it with food stamps.
But the can buy a candy bar and turn around and use the change to buy the booze. I used to work at a grocery store and years ago and they used to do it all the time.
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I have to agree.
To make a long story short, I am helping an extra 19 year old young man out. He's living with us temporarily until he goes off to the army 'So he says right now". He and my son get along just great. Two pea's in a pod. Should have been twins.
My son claims to be entering into the Police academy in a few months, and the other claims to be going into the army in a few months. Both are unemployed and both sit and play computer games all evening and also watch cartoons (again, they are both 19). The wife is an enabler and I get in trouble for being a bad guy when they get upset that I try to have them be more responsible and have them to do more around the house...anyways,
The thing I notice with these kids today, they don't have much ability to take initiative. These two will do whatever I ask (reluctantly and sulking) while they do it....but only when I ask. Then, they ONLY do what I tell them. If I give them a job of sweeping the floors, They only sweep the area that I was in when I told them. They don't get the steps and any other room other than what they were in when I told them.
They have some basic chores to do every day, the same set of things (every day) before the wife gets home. I'm out in the office working at 8:00 till ...well, still at 12:15am and these knuckleheads sleep in till 2:00 in the afternoon and then try to get out of the house before I can see them so they can evade the chores. Wash dishes (the ones they made while cooking pizza at 2am the night before) and also sweep the floors. Thats it.
Guess what, I gotta keep an eye on them and the time to make sure they get it done before the wife gets home. I was ready to kick the one guy out a few times and the wife didn't want to go that route. I mean, he IS living with us...RENT FREE for like almost two months now and on occasions, has the nerve to get upset WITH ME because I ask him to do something....when he's tired from staying up all night playing and watching tv.
I know what you're gonna say, so. I agree. I'm just keeping the peace right now. Soon, my wrath will come down. >:(
Now, I will give them all the benefit of saying, I don't totally blame the kids until after they become more mature. I consider teenagers in the handicapped or slightly retarded category. No offense to the mentally challenged community, (me included).
The Dr's will tell you that the pre frontal lobe (the part of the brain that we use to make good decisions) does not fully develop until near age 25.
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Well said Dan I have been saying kids are mentally retarded ever since my son turned 12 lol, I am trying to show my son 14 and two of his friends 15 and 17 how to print, after pulling the squeegee about 15 times they all gave up. When I asked them if they want to learn the business they all said they changed their mind, that they did not know it would be so physical. Its unreal I was doing auto body work for my dad at 12 and when I was 14 I started to do construction work with a neighbor, and they dont want to pull a squeegee because its too hard and too boring. I am really afraid for their futures.
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Well my problem employee hung herself on Thursday. I caught her forging her time card after taking an hour and a half lunch. This was on the same day she was 2 hours late. She's looking for a new job now.
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My friends are all looking for that desk job that requires no working and a paycheck. Some of them found it. On the other hand, I've been with the same shop since I was 17. I'll be 23 next year and my boss is slowly but surely getting me to take over the shop. I respect and appreciate hard work. I'm embarrassed by my generations work ethic and I apologize to you elder shop owners that have to deal with the slackers.
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I hire an older lady who works 2 jobs now, nights at Wally world and days in school cafeteria. She works with me on an on call basis when i need her to fold , box, clean screens, catch shirts etc.
After 18 years at walmart they pay her $14.00 / hr. for which they time her every job, wright her up for clocking out 10 minutes too late. We pay $10.00 / hr cash on the spot and buy the occasional lunch. Gail is worth every penny, she cleans up in idle time, she knows how to work with customers and really cares about the work she does.
I had the same deal with 2 other people, one adult guy with a disability and one older lady. They didn't make the cut. Gail has been working with us for about 2 years guess we are really lucky and I would be hard pressed to replace her. Maybe I will give her a raise.
mooseman
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At my "other job" we struggled to find good "kids" for warehouse work/ delivery drivers. The owners of the company always thought it was a young man job which always turned into a disaster with calling in sick, hung over, theft etc. etc. I finally convinced them to look at a couple guys that worked warehouse all their life but were in their mid to late 50s and we finally hired them and we have had the best "back room" we have ever had with no complaints, no calling in, no drugs, just consistent high quality work and I never have to tell them what to do. They are just on the ball!
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I hired my nefew to help me move last week, told him I'd pay for the hours he actualy worked (wasnt many...) took a week and 1/2 when it should have taken 3 or 4 days. He kept taking breaks every 15 minutes to listen to his favorite crappy R&B songs on the radio or open the fridge door to see if anything new magicaly appeared... useless.
Once hired a college student a few years ago to help out around the shop and later quit because his wrist hurt and he has to preseve them for his music career.
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Lesson #1: Never hire an artist out of college to do any pre-press or printing. Never works out. They always think "hey it will be artistic and fun" Then the summer heat hits and they scatter like roaches. They always flake out and quit as soon as they find out what production really means. We are extreme about output so that is usually over quick. One guy has done really well though and been with us for 2 years.
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My first job out of art school was for a sign/buss back/poster or flat stock print shop, however you want to call it. I was not unfamiliar with hard work. Been working labor jobs since before legal age of 14. This job was not physically hard, but was hot as heck. I worked up in the 2nd floor a loft are where all the heat and fumes rose to the top. I had a camera room or (dark room) that needed to be air conditioned. If I were not working in that camera room, I'd be sweat n' all day. Sort of liked it though. Made me feel like I was doing something.
I worked at that job for 6 months. I took the first job that offered and that was it. I was intrigued by the idea of screen printing right from the start, but I couldn't hack the cost of living. It was near DC/Virginia area. $6.25 per hr doesn't do much in that area. I was offered another $1.00 but heck even back then, a single person needed $8-$9.00 to do anything. Rent was a $1000.00 for a studio (at that time) Then, I got married so something had to happen. Needed to move. Loved that job though. Much fun.
I remember we were doing a wall in a museum. The ad agency laid out the design on what looked like paper grocery bags cut apart. It was so big and was just for layout purposes anyways. So, I measured out some things and stripped my film in place. The owner came up and checked it out real quick. (He was lacking people skills to say the least). Pretty much read me the riot act for not following the layout on the grocery bags (to the smallest fraction of an inch). You see, I laid it out by common sense. Things were not adding up and not laying out right. The agency wrote out things but positioned them in odd places so nothing matched. So, I matched everything up to where they were wrote up to be.
The boss glanced over it and called me an idiot along with every other thing he could get away with. I sucked it up and gave him my reasons. He said do it like it looks on the layout. I said, are you sure? Because the layouts wrong but I will follow everything exactly on the layout as is. He said Yeah, thats what I F'n said, so DO IT. I knew he was wrong but....I then followed his orders.
I don't usually challenge someone on something unless I'm very sure I'm correct as I am well aware of how I can make mistakes. So when I know, "that I Know", thats when I stand my ground. Probably because it's not very often, so I have to really hold on to that time when my time comes around to be right LOL.
Guess what? He was wrong. He cost himself a couple thousand dollars that day because of arrogance. He then came back to blame me again and even told me I was fired. Luckily his own shop foremen was far more intelligent and pointed out that he, the owner had given me those exact instructions and I even double checked. He was FUMING!
It was a day filled with mixed emotions. I felt a bit sorry for him as I knew he had some inner demons he was dealing with and at the same time, I thought "See, thats what you get for being a jerk".