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screen printing => General Screen Printing => Topic started by: Ripcord on December 31, 2014, 05:53:46 PM
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Ryonet makes an aftermarket micro registration unit designed for their silver press. I am interested in learning whether I can adapt the brackets on the arms of my press so that I can use the Ryonet micros. I'd like to find out the specifications of the bracket (bolt spacing etc.) to see if this would be a possibility.
I contacted Ryonet and their answer was that I should buy one and then I can see if it fits. (...Um, really?)
If anyone owns this system and can help me out with a few measurements, I'd really appreciate it.
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And you'd still deal and support a company with that attitude?
I had my own issues with them with a disingenuous come-on as a sales pitch email. ("Really enjoyed speaking with you at the show last week")
I explained to Ryan that perhaps starting a business relationship out with a fib may not be the best choice, but, what can I say? Most of the clientele who have made him successful don't have the same standards as I do, and he knows it.
(Perhaps you feel you have no choice, bummer)
With luck, maybe you'll find a used set and a more cooperative seller.
Maybe someone who tossed their press, but kept the micros.
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I agree, when I got the email that said that my first inclination was to say "Screw it, and I just crossed this company off the list of any equipment I'll ever buy." The only thing is, I can't find any other aftermarket micro registration attachment, and as annoying as that reply was, I'm still interested in it.
All I asked them to do was to tell me the bolt pattern and measurements of the unit so I could see if my press might be adaptable. I'd have thought that would have been worth the five minutes of time in order to sell several hundred dollars worth of stuff, but what do I know?
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Just to review: Ryonet doesn't even know if THEIR micros fit THEIR press?!?
Am I missing something?
Maybe you just got a "lemon" of a CSR who was having a bad day.
I buy precious little from them...but if that isn't just an unfortunate anomaly, maybe I'll just reduce that precious little by just a teeeeensy bit more.
I believe my Ryonet lifelong grand total is 4 platen brackets and a very nice, but overpriced stainless steel ink knife, that my missus says is a cake frosting spatula. But I doubt it. It IS my favorite ink spreader.
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I agree, when I got the email that said that my first inclination was to say "Screw it, and I just crossed this company off the list of any equipment I'll ever buy." The only thing is, I can't find any other aftermarket micro registration attachment, and as annoying as that reply was, I'm still interested in it.
All I asked them to do was to tell me the bolt pattern and measurements of the unit so I could see if my press might be adaptable. I'd have thought that would have been worth the five minutes of time in order to sell several hundred dollars worth of stuff, but what do I know?
What kind of press is it? Have a photo of the head and arm?
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I believe it was to find out if the macros for their press would fit on his press.
In all fairness, if i was selling my brand press and my brand macros, I probably would not know or verify that my macros would fit another brand's press either.
Now for the bolt pattern request, I guess that's a tossup.
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I just read it again. I though the ripcord OWNS a Silver Press...a Ryonet branded product.
That makes more sense.
I might buy another frosting knife.
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I believe it was to find out if the macros for their press would fit on his press.
In all fairness, if i was selling my brand press and my brand macros, I probably would not know or verify that my macros would fit another brand's press either.
Now for the bolt pattern request, I guess that's a tossup.
I guess that would depend on whether you wanted to make sales.
I bet that most other press manufacturers would be more than happy to sell a part or an accessory for their press to an owner of another.
I bet that the parts guy at a Kia dealer may tell me the bolt pattern on the wheel of a certain model so I could figure if it would fit my Nissan.
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I believe it was to find out if the macros for their press would fit on his press.
In all fairness, if i was selling my brand press and my brand macros, I probably would not know or verify that my macros would fit another brand's press either.
Now for the bolt pattern request, I guess that's a tossup.
I guess that would depend on whether you wanted to make sales.
I bet that most other press manufacturers would be more than happy to sell a part or an accessory for their press to an owner of another.
I bet that the parts guy at a Kia dealer may tell me the bolt pattern on the wheel of a certain model so I could figure if it would fit my Nissan.
I might agree with that if I was exclusive sales of a product or a manufacturer.
Ryonet is neither. Just a retailer and just moves merch so they might not be like the Kia dealer.
More like asking the Western Auto guy (they around anymore?) if their jack will fit under your car without taking your car there.
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I think that if I could drill a couple of holes on my press brackets and adapt a Ryonet regristration unit, it would be worth it for them to take my inquiry seriously..
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It ain't exact, but I'm gonna say the bolt holes are 6 inch center to center.
Found a picture of their unit, snagged it and rotated it in Corel. Assumed he had a 20x24 screen in the press so the red bar is 20 units wide on a 1x1 inch grid background.
Black bars are positioned under the bolts. Orange bars are duplicates dropped down and shifted to the closest 1 inch grid line.
Allowing for some slop here and there, I'd be comfortable at 6 inches. Like I said, not exact and not guaranteed, lol.
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Wow, thanks! This is awesome. I think based on this it should work. The bolts on my press are 5" apart, so I'm thinking I can get away with just drilling one hole.
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If you have any access to a welder you could easily fashion a shim plate like shown here and not have to drill into your screen clamp.
Drill holes in the plate as needed, cut off head of bolts, stick in the holes and weld on the back side so you could grind flat and not interfere with either side.
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Rip, I just realized something. You have TWO mismatches on each arm.
One where your clamp connects to the micro upgrade and another where the micro would attach to your arm.
Not that it cannot be overcome, but just wanted to make sure you knew that.
Sure you're not interested in a press upgrade?? Check out Northland's recent post.
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I been watching the video on installing their micro
http://support.silkscreeningsupplies.com/entries/20207948-Micro-Registration-Setup-For-Silver-Press-VIDEO (http://support.silkscreeningsupplies.com/entries/20207948-Micro-Registration-Setup-For-Silver-Press-VIDEO)
You might still be able to figure out a shim plate of some kind, but you would need to bury the head of the shim bolt into their micro and then thread the shim to accept a short bolt from your clamp into a shim.
It could probably be worked out, but going to take some effort.
You could still drill one hole in your bracket clamp, but since the micro needs to attach to your arm and they have threaded the holes, not sure how you can attach it to your arm with the 1 inch mismatch.
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I must have too much time on my hands, lol.
You need the two things in yellow.
Rip, let me know if you don't have access to a welder....and if you decide to try one I might have some scrap around to fiddle with. I just finished making a set of burglar bars for my son's house.
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Just my opinion here, but bad micros are worse than no micros at all, and those things look like garbage to me. Some stuff should be cobbled together, but not something as important as micros. That can slow you down, and slow downs are death.
I could probably register faster and better without those.
6 of these would be close to $700 shipped. That's halfway to a decent used older Hopkins or Ranar press on Craigs List, that would have better micros and better support. Or a down payment on new?
Just a thought.
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Also, what became of the DIY plans you yourself used to sell for add-on micros? ???
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Thanks, I'll order one and see how it looks...
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Rip, did you happen to read my posts about two points of mismatch?
The biggest obstacle to overcome is attaching their micro to you press arm. You could drill your clamp to fit their micro but I don't see any easy solution (without a middle piece) to resolve the mismatch of micro to press arm. Unless you want to drill and tap into their micro.
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I wouldn't even fool with that, you can buy a nice used press with all the bells, even old cheap ebay presses are better than fooling around with that contraption. What brand press do you have that doesn't have mirco reggie heads? I know I was tempted many years ago but got better advice...good luck Rip, but hey hit the boards and find yourself a nice press for a few dollars.
darryl
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I tend to agree, unless it's a press he just loves for other reasons.
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Yup. I see Hopkins presses all over the place for cheap.. I don't think you could ever wear one completely out.
And there are I others....
Before I ponied up 6 or 7 large for a set of micros that won't even really fit, I'd hit Digitsmith and Craigslist. Or better yet, SearchTempest.
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Rip, did you happen to read my posts about two points of mismatch?
The biggest obstacle to overcome is attaching their micro to you press arm. You could drill your clamp to fit their micro but I don't see any easy solution (without a middle piece) to resolve the mismatch of micro to press arm. Unless you want to drill and tap into their micro.
I was planning to drill a hole in the bracket on the press arm to fit the bolts for the micro.
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Thanks for all the replies. I think I will look into a new press. I like my old one and there isn't anything wrong with it, I just always wished I had gotten one with micros. I'm just a one man shop, but I guess if I had two presses I could use the old one only for one color work.....
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Thanks for all the replies. I think I will look into a new press. I like my old one and there isn't anything wrong with it, I just always wished I had gotten one with micros. I'm just a one man shop, but I guess if I had two presses I could use the old one only for one color work.....
What press is it?
Let us know if you find a listing, and we can all chime in about it. I've worked with and even re-built many different brands and models. I'm sure we can do some armchair diagnostics.
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My press is a Micro Perfect Rebel. I've had it for twelve years. It's solid and holds registration perfectly. I wasn't happy with the registration system that comes with it. It's a two pin bracket that you mount to your screen frames and then use carrier sheets with pins to register your films. The pallet has the same two pins on it and supposedly it's all supposed to line up perfectly through all three steps. Needless to say, when you do a test print (at least for me...) you will want to make some tiny adjustments, but you can't because of the screen bracket, which I never got to fit properly on the pins either. So I scrapped the whole system after a couple of weeks and have been doing my registration manually all these years. As I said, the press itself is quite good quality. If I was the manufacturer, I'd lower the price by fifty bucks and not include the registration system.
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Thanks for all the replies. I think I will look into a new press. I like my old one and there isn't anything wrong with it, I just always wished I had gotten one with micros. I'm just a one man shop, but I guess if I had two presses I could use the old one only for one color work.....
Don't just get a press with micros, get a good press with good micros. A cheap press with bad micros with lots of slop is almost more of a hassle than a non-micro press, some presses will move registration if you just unlock and re-lock the micros without making an adjustment.
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Ripcord, i have a set of micros for this silver press, if your interested message me and we can work possibly work out a fair deal.
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www.digitsmith.com/hopkins-6-4-press-micros-43053.html (http://www.digitsmith.com/hopkins-6-4-press-micros-43053.html)
Needs cleaning up, but here ya go...