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screen printing => Waterbase and Discharge => Topic started by: inkstain on March 31, 2015, 11:38:31 PM
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Hi guys,
Tried searching for some news on Virus Inks and didn't seem to find much.
Anyone using these inks?
Heard there was a lot of hype about them at the ISS show in long beach, but I wasn't there.
Checked out there site but would love to hear from users.
Thinking of getting a sample kit.
Thanks for any info.
Cheers
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I do use them, excellent for simulated process. hydra 120
They have a new CMYK RFU for realistic print on dark garment, a new hydra base for large spot color job...
You have as well the white acryllic water based optimoon, and you can overprint plastisol on it ! hand of print is very nice.
Hydra 120, dot gain is amazing.
Anyway, if you have question, or to found supplier in the US you can wrote to virus@virusinks.com
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we really like the virus WB foil ink.
the dye sub base is pretty neat too!
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the dye sub base is pretty neat too!
Can you elaborate on this? I'm am wondering what this product might be.
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the dye sub base is pretty neat too!
Can you elaborate on this? I'm am wondering what this product might be.
It's a gray dye blocking base! we've used it a couple of times on non cotton goods.
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Ah thanks, so it's what they call Aquabinder No-Sublimation. I have some but have yet to play with it.
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I would like to take a moment here to comment on how dumb their name is.
I almost deleted an email from them because it starts out with VIRUS inks. My email scanner puts virus in all caps in front of any email containing a virus...I wonder how many people have deleted their emails thinking it was actually a virus in the email.
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I would like to take a moment here to comment on how dumb their name is.
I almost deleted an email from them because it starts out with VIRUS inks. My email scanner puts virus in all caps in front of any email containing a virus...I wonder how many people have deleted their emails thinking it was actually a virus in the email.
Agreed, but look at the trend with "hip" language. "Bad" means good. "Sick" means really good, and, closer to this particular name, something getting popular quickly is described as "viral".
Then again, some of the trendier shirt brands won't sell to me without a note from my son, LOL! Perhaps VIRUS enjoys a similar exclusivity. ???
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Then again, some of the trendier shirt brands won't sell to me without a note from my son, LOL! Perhaps VIRUS enjoys a similar exclusivity. ???
They must, because I really want to try them out and have yet to find a supplier with any info (beyond a logo) on their website about them. Can any of the cool kids on the forum please direct me to where you're tracking them down?
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Then again, some of the trendier shirt brands won't sell to me without a note from my son, LOL! Perhaps VIRUS enjoys a similar exclusivity. ???
They must, because I really want to try them out and have yet to find a supplier with any info (beyond a logo) on their website about them. Can any of the cool kids on the forum please direct me to where you're tracking them down?
For once we are close to producer of great products. Virus inks are produced 500km away from us. Most of good stuff we get from american side of big pond. I know what I just wrote doesn't help you get their inks. Just want to say I know how it feels when you need to make big effort just to be able to buy stuff.
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They must, because I really want to try them out and have yet to find a supplier with any info (beyond a logo) on their website about them. Can any of the cool kids on the forum please direct me to where you're tracking them down?
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Agreed! I have search a time or 2 with poor results.
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Screen Printer's Resource in California carries them.
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Screen Printer's Resource in California carries them.
Have they improved at all? As you know, a few years back, they were spotty at best, at least for many things I seemed to need.
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They have, significantly. Probably our most dependable chem/ink supplier.
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Then again, some of the trendier shirt brands won't sell to me without a note from my son, LOL! Perhaps VIRUS enjoys a similar exclusivity. ???
They must, because I really want to try them out and have yet to find a supplier with any info (beyond a logo) on their website about them. Can any of the cool kids on the forum please direct me to where you're tracking them down?
Kevin at river city i think still has a sample kit or two
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We had a local distributer that brought in a ton of product.... He ended up not becoming a dealer so I bought out his entire lot of virus inks. I might be able to part with some of it if guys want some stuff to try as I have probably 30 gallons of various bases along with 2 full sets of pigments. I need to get through my move that is coming up so once I do that I will come back to this thread and see if I can send out some ink for you guys to try.
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Then again, some of the trendier shirt brands won't sell to me without a note from my son, LOL! Perhaps VIRUS enjoys a similar exclusivity. ???
They must, because I really want to try them out and have yet to find a supplier with any info (beyond a logo) on their website about them. Can any of the cool kids on the forum please direct me to where you're tracking them down?
Kevin at river city i think still has a sample kit or two
You got my last kit. I brought in samples of it to play around with and get feedback, but I never ended up adding the line. I didn't get much feedback on the inks, and the stocking order they were asking me to place seemed pretty tall for a product I currently have 0 customers using. I am sure it is great ink, but at the time none of my customers had much interest to change from their current water based system they already knew how to use.
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There is a place in AZ selling it as well I believe, I forget the name of the place though.
From my understanding, there were 2 main issues getting it going.
1) Magna has a killer patent on the non formaldehyde discharge agent here in the states. Many of the ink companies over seas use that agent with no issue.
2) It comes from Italy. Ain't like you just buy a skid and see how it goes. Shipping prices added to the product, prices it out of competition. Probably makes more sense to bring in a container of it, but then you have a container of your $$$ tied up while trying to introduce something new to Americans that for the most part are stuck in their ways.
I could be totally off, but when I talked to them 2 years ago, those were the hurdles facing them.
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I am in Arizona and they came into my shop and told me about it real quick. I stopped them when they told me the cost was going to be more than double what I am paying now for my discharge inks. I don't care how long the agent lasts. I have very little money in waist to justify the cost.
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I've used Virus almost exclusively for the last 4 years. I love their products. So many special effects available, wonderful printability and a great company. There is some technical training required.
The thread is correct, SPR does carry it and they are trained to assist beginners. It can be challenging to educate your customer on the new products available on the market... but if you do, the results are amazing. The end result is a better product in the market.
As they gain momentum, I am sure Virus will end up with a permanent home in the US. The 4CP on darks is really something to check out.
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We, like Moshie, have also used Virus products almost exclusively for the last four years. Almost 16 million imprints worth. Their product range allows us to do almost anything that we can come up with as far as special effects go. Their standard ink solutions are very user friendly, once you get the hang of them. It seems that there is quite a bit of momentum out there for PVC free products. Virus has a jump on most of their completion out there. They are currently adding more distributors around the country, so access should be much easier in the future. I'm always willing to chat with people if anyone is interested.
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Virus inks are available at screen printers Resource in Fullerton, CA You can contact Mike Grey at: mikeg@spresource.com to get info and pricing. They stock the full line of products and have technical support as well. The product line has greatly improved since the initial launching a few years ago. Many new products are available and the technology is the best on the market.
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bumping this back up.
I am in the market for a water base ink for non dischargable garments, mainly the gildan 18500 we sell a ton of. Any updated feedback on this ink? It's available from atlas I noticed... I have some matsui 301 and 301 stretch here to mess with, I tried CCI pure white and it dried up way too fast for us. I was also looking at the green galaxy stuff. any suggestions?
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we like the matsui ink. But you have to get the matsui softner, and apply it to your screen. It helps with the drying.
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Also Matsui here for hsa. Best drop in to replace the Rutland for us.
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thanks guys, we will give it a go with the 301. Are you needing to flash between all colors with an underbase? from my notes a few years back it looks like we struggled with ink build up. Are you guys mixing anything into it? Seems I had to add some "Fixer N" to this stuff.
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we like the matsui ink. But you have to get the matsui softner, and apply it to your screen. It helps with the drying.
What do you mean by this? Actually spread it on the screen with an ink card???
do you still add it in 3% to the ink as well?
never heard of this before.
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Jvanick, you rub some on with a rag.
Homer 301 stretch is the hsa. 301 is st wb. We use maximum retarder.
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Bumping back up
After decent success with 4c process discharge over the years using Sericol their has never been a need to change, but recently after some research, reading this thread I realize there may be other options. I have had some great conversations with Dave at ATLAS screen supply. They are a distributor for the virus inks. He is sending samples ( 2 quarts each) of the process colors and a gallon of white for testing. The interesting part of all this is Virus prefers to do the process seps as they claim they perform better with their inks. That makes sense they developed the inks and know exactly how there separations will perform with the inks. They do the first set N/C and then its 45.00 per design after. They are doing their best to ensure success using the process colors. They request a template to use the same exact registration marks , mesh and any other info we use in house so nothing changes in pre press. We have 15 designs to sample next week and I will post my feedback after the first 2 (that's all we submitted for separations until I see the result) if anyone is interested.
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Bumping back up
After decent success with 4c process discharge over the years using Sericol their has never been a need to change, but recently after some research, reading this thread I realize there may be other options. I have had some great conversations with Dave at ATLAS screen supply. They are a distributor for the virus inks. He is sending samples ( 2 quarts each) of the process colors and a gallon of white for testing. The interesting part of all this is Virus prefers to do the process seps as they claim they perform better with their inks. That makes sense they developed the inks and know exactly how there separations will perform with the inks. They do the first set N/C and then its 45.00 per design after. They are doing their best to ensure success using the process colors. They request a template to use the same exact registration marks , mesh and any other info we use in house so nothing changes in pre press. We have 15 designs to sample next week and I will post my feedback after the first 2 (that's all we submitted for separations until I see the result) if anyone is interested.
are you allowed to share the seps? I'd like to see what they do differently. . .
pierre
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Bumping back up
After decent success with 4c process discharge over the years using Sericol their has never been a need to change, but recently after some research, reading this thread I realize there may be other options. I have had some great conversations with Dave at ATLAS screen supply. They are a distributor for the virus inks. He is sending samples ( 2 quarts each) of the process colors and a gallon of white for testing. The interesting part of all this is Virus prefers to do the process seps as they claim they perform better with their inks. That makes sense they developed the inks and know exactly how there separations will perform with the inks. They do the first set N/C and then its 45.00 per design after. They are doing their best to ensure success using the process colors. They request a template to use the same exact registration marks , mesh and any other info we use in house so nothing changes in pre press. We have 15 designs to sample next week and I will post my feedback after the first 2 (that's all we submitted for separations until I see the result) if anyone is interested.
I like this. And while I love the concept, I think you all are brave running DC 4CP, sounds like recipe for heartache unless your blanks are dyed to spec. We do DC UB + Union process plastisol for this type of work here, hand is still very soft and far more consistent.
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Bumping back up
After decent success with 4c process discharge over the years using Sericol their has never been a need to change, but recently after some research, reading this thread I realize there may be other options. I have had some great conversations with Dave at ATLAS screen supply. They are a distributor for the virus inks. He is sending samples ( 2 quarts each) of the process colors and a gallon of white for testing. The interesting part of all this is Virus prefers to do the process seps as they claim they perform better with their inks. That makes sense they developed the inks and know exactly how there separations will perform with the inks. They do the first set N/C and then its 45.00 per design after. They are doing their best to ensure success using the process colors. They request a template to use the same exact registration marks , mesh and any other info we use in house so nothing changes in pre press. We have 15 designs to sample next week and I will post my feedback after the first 2 (that's all we submitted for separations until I see the result) if anyone is interested.
are you allowed to share the seps? I'd like to see what they do differently. . .
pierre
sure. but you could contact dave and send him a design you have already done and when they come back compare positive to positive
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Bumping back up
After decent success with 4c process discharge over the years using Sericol their has never been a need to change, but recently after some research, reading this thread I realize there may be other options. I have had some great conversations with Dave at ATLAS screen supply. They are a distributor for the virus inks. He is sending samples ( 2 quarts each) of the process colors and a gallon of white for testing. The interesting part of all this is Virus prefers to do the process seps as they claim they perform better with their inks. That makes sense they developed the inks and know exactly how there separations will perform with the inks. They do the first set N/C and then its 45.00 per design after. They are doing their best to ensure success using the process colors. They request a template to use the same exact registration marks , mesh and any other info we use in house so nothing changes in pre press. We have 15 designs to sample next week and I will post my feedback after the first 2 (that's all we submitted for separations until I see the result) if anyone is interested.
I like this. And while I love the concept, I think you all are brave running DC 4CP, sounds like recipe for heartache unless your blanks are dyed to spec. We do DC UB + Union process plastisol for this type of work here, hand is still very soft and far more consistent.
the Virus is straight up waterbase cmyk with a base and highlight white printed 1 and 2 then flashed. I do agree with you with the dc cmyk. That's why I'm trying this? We have to be consistant and IBG is offering any of the designs on any of the 16 colors of comfort colors (reactive dye). I know I can do it and have sampled several with a soft dc base with the sericols but im hoping for a better result trying there seps with the inks.
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I see, so is it like an HSA or trad WB ink? Base - flash - white - flash - Y - M - C - K ?
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I see, so is it like an HSA or trad WB ink? Base - flash - white - flash - Y - M - C - K ?
Exactly but I'm not sure about the whites chemistry. The way it was explained is their process of grinding the pigments super fine allows for the ink to be extremely opaque to eliminate the need for ZFS. It apparently flashes decent. we'll see!!
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I have been looking at these inks also, but haven't pulled the trigger since i'm a small shop.
Will be following this with a lot of interest.
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I assume that only the base is WB DC
The rest are WB without DC.
Is this correct?
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They claim even he base an highlight will not need zfs either?