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screen printing => Ink and Chemicals => Topic started by: tonypep on September 29, 2011, 01:34:52 PM
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Starts October 17th on all whites 10% across the board. Based on those quality discharge prints I just saw I'm beginning to think we might need to look at the "Is discharge cheaper" issue. Think of it.....no base screen, no $$$base ink, turn off the flash. And better print quality and even washfastness in some cases. And a base/PC ink generally costs me under $30 p/gallon.
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I agree with you Tony. Plus no white laying down like crap issues. Waterbase you just add pressure and print. Well it always sounds easy when you haven't done it...More learning to do.
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We gave it a go way back, but the stink just sucked too much. But the results were great. We also gave a shot to a white discharge underbase with plastisol colors through a 305 on top, very nice. But in the end, the stink got us. Has that changed?
Steve
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Yep, it still stinks, but for high coverage UB's, the opacity of the colors is much better than on a plastisol UB, makes it worth bearing the stench everytime IMO.
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Try adding a couple drops of pure vanilla to the mix. It might help!
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It tastes better with the vanilla, that's for sure.
That same trick works great with interior paint as well.
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Hey guys,
I really don't understand the stink issue. Are you talking about before or after? I mean yes there is odor but not like the entire warehouse is horrible or anything. We do use fans and have a very good ventilation system on our dryers and bay doors open and all but its not that bad. But we do probably use less agent than most shops but still with bright results. Maybe I just can't smell anymore!
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Try adding a couple drops of pure vanilla to the mix. It might help!
Does that really work? Who has tried it?
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Also no complaint about the odor here either.
Plasticharge on my old electric dryer was horrific, but actual
waterbased discharge on a well ventilated gas dryer is hardly noticeable.
If I stand next to a screen for awhile I can smell the sulfur that gets
worse as the ink ages, but that's about it.
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Also no complaint about the odor here either.
Plasticharge on my old electric dryer was horrific, but actual
waterbased discharge on a well ventilated gas dryer is hardly noticeable.
If I stand next to a screen for awhile I can smell the sulfur that gets
worse as the ink ages, but that's about it.
We were using the Pavonine that Union ink was distributing. It was kind of "Who farted?" or "Hey man, if you're sick, go to the hospital" Favorite brands?
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Starts October 17th on all whites 10% across the board. Based on those quality discharge prints I just saw I'm beginning to think we might need to look at the "Is discharge cheaper" issue. Think of it.....no base screen, no $$$base ink, turn off the flash. And better print quality and even washfastness in some cases. And a base/PC ink generally costs me under $30 p/gallon.
FYI, this is the first in the line of increases. There is at least another 10 if not 20 percent coming shortly!
pierre
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It still has kind of fart smell, I mean if you are used to just plastisol and your average chemicals, I'd say yea it's a stronger smell. Is it overwhelming or suck really bad, nah, but does it smell good, or what I would prefer to smell, nope.
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I also heard it will affect white discharge or any ink containing titanium dioxide I believe it's called, the main ingredient in the white pigment.
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I thought the increase was mainly for plastisols, the plasticizers (petroleum based?) being the
being the rising cost.
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Could be, but I'm pretty sure that's what a head guy from Wilflex I spoke with last Friday said, maybe Erin will chime in on the subject.
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Titanium Dioxide is in anything white. Lots of food products, etc. If that's going up,
I hope my sprinkle donuts don't go up too!
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Actually I hope I'm remembering wrong, thing is if it's the plasticizer, wouldn't we be seeing a price increase on other colors of plastisol as well?
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Yer right:
http://www.icis.com/v2/chemicals/9076545/titanium-dioxide/pricing.html (http://www.icis.com/v2/chemicals/9076545/titanium-dioxide/pricing.html)
Ugh.
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Starts October 17th on all whites 10% across the board. Based on those quality discharge prints I just saw I'm beginning to think we might need to look at the "Is discharge cheaper" issue. Think of it.....no base screen, no $$$base ink, turn off the flash. And better print quality and even washfastness in some cases. And a base/PC ink generally costs me under $30 p/gallon.
FYI, this is the first in the line of increases. There is at least another 10 if not 20 percent coming shortly!
pierre
Pierre: While there is continuing pressure on TiO2 from both a supply and price pressure I think that it’s premature to forecast any further specific increases in the near term. I can assure you that the folks at PolyOne Wilflex are extremely aware of the sensitivity of the garment screen-printing market and are making every effort to minimize and where possible absorb these raw materials manufacturing cost increases.
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I think it is "funny" how this is a bad economy and every service, bill and item I have to buy has raised its prices more in the last 2 year then they have in many years before. It makes it really hard on the companies that are still making it.
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Starts October 17th on all whites 10% across the board. Based on those quality discharge prints I just saw I'm beginning to think we might need to look at the "Is discharge cheaper" issue. Think of it.....no base screen, no $$$base ink, turn off the flash. And better print quality and even washfastness in some cases. And a base/PC ink generally costs me under $30 p/gallon.
FYI, this is the first in the line of increases. There is at least another 10 if not 20 percent coming shortly!
pierre
Pierre: While there is continuing pressure on TiO2 from both a supply and price pressure I think that it’s premature to forecast any further specific increases in the near term. I can assure you that the folks at PolyOne Wilflex are extremely aware of the sensitivity of the garment screen-printing market and are making every effort to minimize and where possible absorb these raw materials manufacturing cost increases.
Peter,
let's hope you are right! My source says that was what they were told and after reading the above link, it seems plausible . . .
pierre
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Confirmed straight from the source last night, I asked Jerry from Wilflex what's the issue,
Titanium Dioxide is going up. It's been in the news, on trade news and effects everything using it.
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Starts October 17th on all whites 10% across the board. Based on those quality discharge prints I just saw I'm beginning to think we might need to look at the "Is discharge cheaper" issue. Think of it.....no base screen, no $$$base ink, turn off the flash. And better print quality and even washfastness in some cases. And a base/PC ink generally costs me under $30 p/gallon.
I would love to switch to discharge underbases solely as I've got the printing part of it pretty nailed down for basic stuff. The main issue is a lot of people run electric dryers and are already at capacity with plastisol. Upgrading dryers and getting one that will fit in a tight space but still keep up with waterbased inks is a true challenge logistically and financially.
I priced a new MD8 and man I can't swing that just yet and I don't want to give up a 30' patch of shop real estate for a used gas semi truck dryer haha
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Starts October 17th on all whites 10% across the board. Based on those quality discharge prints I just saw I'm beginning to think we might need to look at the "Is discharge cheaper" issue. Think of it.....no base screen, no $$$base ink, turn off the flash. And better print quality and even washfastness in some cases. And a base/PC ink generally costs me under $30 p/gallon.
I would love to switch to discharge underbases solely as I've got the printing part of it pretty nailed down for basic stuff. The main issue is a lot of people run electric dryers and are already at capacity with plastisol. Upgrading dryers and getting one that will fit in a tight space but still keep up with waterbased inks is a true challenge logistically and financially.
I priced a new MD8 and man I can't swing that just yet and I don't want to give up a 30' patch of shop real estate for a used gas semi truck dryer haha
similar predicament here, but I do will have to go to a new dryer very, very soon. What did they quote you for the MD8?
pierre
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We got ours for around $22K, I would recommend going with at least 16' of heat.
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16'? Holly S balls, that's a long chamber. I wasn't looking at the md8 but the airjet and I was thinking 12' would be great. We have 10' now with a 48" belt and it will handle discharge running at 500-600 per hour. Why 16', are you having any issues with the chamber length you have now?
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I just bought a dryer. check this out -15'in - 10 heat - 5' out. . pretty damn big. . .I'm excited. . .Marc @ Interchange is the man, he can hook you up with anything too. . .Thanks Rick'r. .
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because we have 12' and the max I can run per hour with plastisol is 600. Some of that might be that we are in Georgia and the humidity is way too high.
I could use the whole belt, but that makes by back hurt.