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General => General Discussion and ??? => Topic started by: Scobey Peterman on October 07, 2015, 01:03:02 PM
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Who makes velum that does not shrink when run through a lazer printer??
Thanks
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Infinite Black - http://www.atlasscreensupply.com/infinite_black_laser_film.htm (http://www.atlasscreensupply.com/infinite_black_laser_film.htm)
We used it for years before switching to ink jet film.
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I never could figure out Vellum. Our company used it in the beginning, way before we bought them out.
But I didn't try too hard for too long, since I already had experience with inkjets and quality refill inks. At first, I tried to make our Canons lay down a dense enough deposit. I just found there was NO STEENKING way to do that. Even had some hacker try to tweak a rip. Sheesh...
Several Epsons later, I'm still sore about having to purchase an $8000+ Ricoh 440 Color office laser (on a stupid service/payment contract no less!!) that came with the business, in order to print WAAAY poorer positives than an Epson inkjet that at the time was on sale at Staples for 100 bucks.
Oh, on smaller too. 11x17 as opposed to 13x19.
Scobey, if you are successful using vellums effectively, without shrinkange...my hat's off to you man!
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we use casey's vellum from one stroke, and the printer is hp5100. works like a charm and no shrinkage ever. very dark prints as well.
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we use casey's vellum from one stroke, and the printer is hp5100. works like a charm and no shrinkage ever. very dark prints as well.
Then there ya go!
(Years ago I spoke with Casey's Page Mill about their stuff and they had a pretty high opinion of it vs inkjet. I should PM you about your process, because the laser is fast and decidedly less fussy. I might revisit the issue at some point if my situation changes.)
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there is no comparison between inkjet and vellum, and I made vellum work for a few years. I started way back tray developing films, and would never have thought vellum would work until I tried it. It worked, but there is no comparison to film. But Casey's is tried and true, if that's the route you want to go, you won't have the problems.
Steve
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we actually use both vellum and inkjet. for me each has its pros and cons.
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If my laser printer hadn't died, I may still be using it for the simple jobs one color jobs I often run, but shrinkage or not (poor George), the d-min/d-max is no comparison, hairspray or similar clear coat notwithstanding.
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Andy, I wondered when somebody was going to go there.
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Andy, I wondered when somebody was going to go there.
George, or the poor d-min/d-max?
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George
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Pretty sure he was concerned about his d-min vs his d-max too, if you know what i'm saying :D
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Pretty sure he was concerned about his d-min vs his d-max too, if you know what i'm saying :D
And for that, you really have to be careful what you spray on to increase d-max!
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Boy, this thread went south pretty fast...
Steve
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Boy, this thread went south pretty fast...
Steve
Well, it started in Tennessee, that's pretty South in the first place.
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I have been using "Big V" brand vellum for some years now through an HP 5100....I also started in the darkroom waaayyyyy back, & it definitely spoiled me as far as registration and dmax...for most of what we do here, vellum works well enough....But for anything with really close tolerances, it is not the optimum way to go...Density here really sux like an electrolux...really only becomes a big factor towards the lower mesh count/higher exposure time screens though...With that having been said, we have done 4cp jobs here that usually come out WAY better than one might expect off a manual press...run all the seps down the dryer belt at the same time, on file folders or cardboard, (so they don't pick up a "waffle" pattern from the belt) spray em with toner aid (Does Aqua net actually WORK?) And burn them all within the same hour to mitigate any temp/humidity changes...Whenever possible, I usually try to build in some chokes or spreads as necessary so that the press op isn't tearing her hair out trying to keep things in registration...Lotta folks have gone the vellum route since darkrooms fell out of favor..."The darkroom is dead, long live the darkroom" ! I could do 12 color hand cut negative mask separations, and EVERY color was reversed out of EVERYTHING else...Ahh those halcyon days of yore...I miss the smell of developer in the morning! LOL!