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screen printing => Waterbase and Discharge => Topic started by: noortrd on October 14, 2015, 12:50:41 PM

Title: anti stick foil
Post by: noortrd on October 14, 2015, 12:50:41 PM

Is there any anti stick foil ?. We use matsui 301 water based. Its stick foil

Title: Re: anti stick foil
Post by: Colin on October 14, 2015, 02:41:58 PM

I know Rutland has one for regular waterbase and another for HSA.

http://www.rutlandinc.com/media/21836/tds__341_hs-a_pvc_free_wb.new.pdf (http://www.rutlandinc.com/media/21836/tds__341_hs-a_pvc_free_wb.new.pdf)

http://www.rutlandinc.com/media/43892/tds_294_wb-99_ps_water_base_pigment_mixing_system.pdf (http://www.rutlandinc.com/media/43892/tds_294_wb-99_ps_water_base_pigment_mixing_system.pdf)

Sorry for the lack of it linking.....

Title: Re: anti stick foil
Post by: Frog on October 14, 2015, 03:00:21 PM

Quote from: Colin on October 14, 2015, 02:41:58 PM

I know Rutland has one for regular waterbase and another for HSA.

[url]http://www.rutlandinc.com/media/21836/tds__341_hs-a_pvc_free_wb.new.pdf[/url] ([url]http://www.rutlandinc.com/media/21836/tds__341_hs-a_pvc_free_wb.new.pdf[/url])

[url]http://www.rutlandinc.com/media/43892/tds_294_wb-99_ps_water_base_pigment_mixing_system.pdf[/url] ([url]http://www.rutlandinc.com/media/43892/tds_294_wb-99_ps_water_base_pigment_mixing_system.pdf[/url])

Sorry for the lack of it linking.....

Those links work just fine

Title: Re: anti stick foil
Post by: Colin on October 14, 2015, 04:56:07 PM

Ah Nice!

I didn't check back when I hit post :)

Title: Re: anti stick foil
Post by: zanegun08 on October 14, 2015, 05:30:05 PM

Colin has it right with the links above, ad some foil resist to the ink.

Another thing though, waterbase shouldn't stick to foil if properly cured, we had the same issue and just did less pressure when foiling, and it solved that issue.  Maybe dial back your pressure, up your time.

Title: Re: anti stick foil
Post by: Colin on October 14, 2015, 06:40:50 PM

Zane,

Did you try with the Matsui white or another HSA white?

From what I remember of the 301, it's more like HSA white than regular waterbase.

Definitely grabby under heat and pressure.

Title: Re: anti stick foil
Post by: TCT on October 14, 2015, 09:27:17 PM

 Matsui softener mixed in at something like 10% acts as a foil resist.

Title: Re: anti stick foil
Post by: noortrd on October 14, 2015, 09:31:19 PM

All hsa contains binders . When we heat press the  binder melt and stick the foil. Is there any good foil resist name?

Title: Re: anti stick foil
Post by: Frog on October 14, 2015, 09:49:16 PM

Quote from: zanegun08 on October 14, 2015, 05:30:05 PM

Colin has it right with the links above, ad some foil resist to the ink.

Another thing though, waterbase shouldn't stick to foil if properly cured, we had the same issue and just did less pressure when foiling, and it solved that issue.  Maybe dial back your pressure, up your time.

That used to be standard operating procedure before there were resists and all. Plastisol where the foil goes, and waterbase the rest of the image.

Title: Re: anti stick foil
Post by: AAMike on October 15, 2015, 03:29:00 PM

Sometimes if you add a clear gel on top of the plastisol through a 110m it will stick better to where you want it to and require less pressure on the heat press. As always, wash test.