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screen printing => General Screen Printing => Topic started by: tonypep on December 23, 2015, 08:54:46 AM
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Seems to be plagued with issues. Customers and sellers pretty unhappy. Who knew?
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not so easy to run a HUGE shop with all new people, eh?
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Ranging from garment/print quality, shipping, terms, payment to sellers, ripoffs, campaigns discontinued, inconsistent policies etc. Not Just the factory its all over. The had to hire someone full time to address all issues. And she spends most of her time apologizing
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So what kind of equipment is going to be for sale? ;D
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So what kind of equipment is going to be for sale? ;D
A LOT of probably-not-very-well-maintained equipment if I had to guess. Perhaps they are an anomaly in that they have issues everywhere except maintaining the equipment but I doubt it. Most shops that are bad at any of the more important aspects of running a business are bad at all of them.
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Not to defend them, but one can find a crap ton of people who HATE Ford Trucks and have had trouble with Ford Trucks. Yet its the best selling truck on the planet. Keep that in mind.
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Last pics I saw of their new factory were a bunch of MHM presses, Adelco dryers, ZUND CTS machines, and Image Technology for exposure/rinseout as well as reclaim.
Their short comings make it easier for us to make money...
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I don't see much in common with pickup trucks and custom tees but I see your point :)
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I don't see much in common with pickup trucks and custom tees but I see your point :)
;)
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Ranging from garment/print quality, shipping, terms, payment to sellers, ripoffs, campaigns discontinued, inconsistent policies etc. Not Just the factory its all over. The had to hire someone full time to address all issues. And she spends most of her time apologizing
I'd hate to be her. How much do they have to pay someone to take that job!?
It almost seems inevitable. Too big, too fast. Building the house (mansion) before the foundation cement is dry.
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Just because you have a pocket full of money don't mean your good at everything, remind's me of trying to build a house from the roof down.
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Back in June, in this thread (http://www.theshirtboard.com/index.php/topic,15259.msg146702.html#msg146702), we already had a member point out shoddy quality and another had a design ripped off by them.
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Apparently that is happening a lot. Easy to see how and why. As far as the factory yes, as mentioned above having a lot of money is just part of it. I would site the examples of Island Screenworks and Sweat Equity
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Apparently that is happening a lot. Easy to see how and why. As far as the factory yes, as mentioned above having a lot of money is just part of it. I would site the examples of Island Screenworks and Sweat Equity
what happened with that?
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Both very long stories maybe over a beer one day
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I don't see much in common with pickup trucks and custom tees but I see your point :)
someone has a ford..LOL
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Right now the largest problem is missed Christmas deliveries
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Sounds like they offered a certain level of performance before having any idea what, in fact, they could actually deliver. Wishful thinking? Visions of grandeur?
I just really hope that this wasn't some sort of planned failure in which only the investors, suppliers, and employees suffer, while the execs do fine.
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What irks me was the boasting of buying 100 presses and making college kids rich by designing/selling tees on their laptop. They claim to have made many millionaires already
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Is this all backed by real data or just reading facebook pages/yelps? We can read yelps about members companies here and they look bad but they still seem to be doing just fine.
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I don't see much in common with pickup trucks and custom tees but I see your point :)
someone has a ford..LOL
Never owned one personally and my parents have only had one since I was born. From age 15 till now: Chevy, GMC, Toyota, Dodge, Toyota, Lexus, Chevy, Toyota, Lexus, Toyota and I think that's about it in the 20 years I've been driving.
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Not really sure how teespring does it now vs how they did it before but Christmas is a beast. They probably took orders up until the point they thought they could finish everything (which was probably too long anyway) and then are relying on the post office to deliver. Which in December if it should take 5 days it takes 15 days by First Class. We've gotten burned doing that too. Have to upgrade everything to Priority or you can guarantee it's not going to make it. And for every bad post you see there were probably 10, 20, maybe 100 people that had a great experience.
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Both very long stories maybe over a beer one day
More like a Masters or PHD Thesis course of research. So many things to learn from....
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Not really sure how teespring does it now vs how they did it before but Christmas is a beast. They probably took orders up until the point they thought they could finish everything (which was probably too long anyway) and then are relying on the post office to deliver. Which in December if it should take 5 days it takes 15 days by First Class. We've gotten burned doing that too. Have to upgrade everything to Priority or you can guarantee it's not going to make it. And for every bad post you see there were probably 10, 20, maybe 100 people that had a great experience.
But of course, these particular bad posts were from TSB "family", and I don't see the 200, 20, or even 10 good ones to offset them. I find the membership here to be a pretty balanced bunch who can establish a pretty good reference point.
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Not really sure how teespring does it now vs how they did it before but Christmas is a beast. They probably took orders up until the point they thought they could finish everything (which was probably too long anyway) and then are relying on the post office to deliver. Which in December if it should take 5 days it takes 15 days by First Class. We've gotten burned doing that too. Have to upgrade everything to Priority or you can guarantee it's not going to make it. And for every bad post you see there were probably 10, 20, maybe 100 people that had a great experience.
But of course, these particular bad posts were from TSB "family", and I don't see the 200, 20, or even 10 good ones to offset them. I find the membership here to be a pretty balanced bunch who can establish a pretty good reference point.
I was speaking to the original post, which seems to be referencing their Facebook page as far as "unhappy customers."
Not defending them on the point of ripping people off or letting others rip people off, very murky waters there...I also have no idea of their quality but as a few have pointed out most people are perfectly fine with the type of quality that members of the board wouldn't wipe their a$$ with.
They are not in the printing business, they are in the service business, and they have failed their customers at that, is the point.
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They claim to have made many millionaires already
So has FanDuel. ;D
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They claim to have made many millionaires already
So has FanDuel. ;D
LOL at that. Not any more! Their $25 tournament only pays out like 200k to first now.
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They claim to have made many millionaires already
So has FanDuel. ;D
It's a fact that slot machines make a lot of noise when folks win, but just play quietly when the many more lose. It's also a fact that the machines by the more foot-traveled-areas tend to make noise and pay off more often, though of course, overall, they still pay out less to winners than what they take in from losers.
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They claim to have made many millionaires already
So has FanDuel. ;D
It's a fact that slot machines make a lot of noise when folks win, but just play quietly when the many more lose. It's also a fact that the machines by the more foot-traveled-areas tend to make noise and pay off more often, though of course, overall, they still pay out less to winners than what they take in from losers.
i won $35 bucks! Couldnt get it out because NY put a freeze on it.. now we can get in again for at least a month.
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I ran two successful campaigns on teespring about 2 years ago. Then, someone created a knockoff campaign because I was working on a local deal to keep the production in Oregon since it was a Oregon based design.
I sold 100 shirts on each campaign, and then the one that was an exact copy cat sold over 1,000. I contacted TeeSpring to get it shut down, or to allow my workplace to print the shirts. They claimed that it didn't violate my rights, although their terms of service clearly stated otherwise.
That is my biggest gripe, they are ok with copy write infringement as long as the people involved don't have more money than them to pursue. Other than that I think it is a great service, obviously the model works if they can't keep up with their orders. The campaign that sold 1000 shirts got paid out like $4000 dollars, my two that sold 100 was around 2-300 each.
They make money, it is just a large business to manage, and a lot of the campaigns are small runs. I think that everyone here has a much higher standard of quality than most typical end users, the shirt I ran looked great, but I have purchased another shirt that looked poor compared to the image online.
I wouldn't be as much as a hater of them if they didn't allow someone to rip me off. At least I have since gone on to sell the shirts to a local distributor which has ordered many over the last couple years, so alls well that ends well.
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I don't see much in common with pickup trucks and custom tees but I see your point :)
someone has a ford..LOL
Aww, man don't be raggin' on Fords. I've got a '05 Ranger pickup I bought new with over 98,000 miles and all I've ever done to it is put gas in it, change the oil, the transmission oil, one set of tires and one battery. It's never seen the inside of a repair shop, and it still looks good.
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We focus on this type of production in both dtg and screen printing for customers who left tee spring and other platforms for this reason or that. One thing I do know is that there is more work out there then any of us can handle and too many of these companies (scalable for example) outgrow themselves to quickly. With this type of production and fulfillment it is very hard on screen printing to run extras, so you end up dtg printing any defects, which bogs the dtg department down.
We cut off all Christmas orders earlier than last year from clients, but we had managed to fit in some larger extra campaigns right in the nick of time. We had about four 14 hour days in a row, but its over and we can improve for next year.
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Not real sure what's going on over there. My operator came from there and they clean machines every night and seem to maintain well. My last operator I fired went there at the same time my current operator was there. The one I fired worked in long runs and messed up a 900 piece job. The catchers at the end of the dryer told him they were wrong and he flicked them off and kept running it. That was about his attitude when he worked for me too. I was recently looking to add an operator and he text me that he wanted his job back. I didn't even reply.
As far as I know recently, they cut out their second shift and work only 4 days a week too. No Monday's are worked now.
I have been getting increasing applications of people that have worked there in the last 6 months.
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The one I fired worked in long runs and messed up a 900 piece job. The catchers at the end of the dryer told him they were wrong and he flicked them off and kept running it.
That's pretty funny.
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Both very long stories maybe over a beer one day
it's going to take more than one beer Tony!
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Indeed!