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Title: Servo with electric head press that run on single phase?? any options
Post by: repogolfer on January 18, 2016, 04:09:30 PM
Is there any press out there that will run on 1 phase that have servo drive and electric heads....or is this out of the question???

Jon

Title: Re: Servo with electric head press that run on single phase?? any options
Post by: Mr Tees!! on January 18, 2016, 04:27:35 PM
...Sportsman EX 10/12, has a single phase option. We are stuck at single phase as well, so this is the ONLY press on our wish list, currently.
Title: Re: Servo with electric head press that run on single phase?? any options
Post by: ebscreen on January 18, 2016, 04:28:36 PM
MHM S-Types, a 10/12 is 20 amp 220 single phase.
The Calmat flashes are single phase as well.
Title: Re: Servo with electric head press that run on single phase?? any options
Post by: Inkworks on January 18, 2016, 04:54:58 PM
Workhorse Auto's, are single phase standard, M&R do single phase as an option too.
Title: Re: Servo with electric head press that run on single phase?? any options
Post by: repogolfer on January 18, 2016, 05:19:44 PM
Well shoot...I have tons of options available.  I thought this was going to be super tough.

Now I just have to make sure I have enough amps available...Looks like I need about the same as my screw compressor.
Title: Re: Servo with electric head press that run on single phase?? any options
Post by: DannyGruninger on January 18, 2016, 06:13:11 PM
Roq(formerly Sroque) can help you out with this as well.


Title: Re: Servo with electric head press that run on single phase?? any options
Post by: TCT on January 18, 2016, 06:39:27 PM
Every company I had talked to before we bought would make a single phase one, just needed to ask...
Title: Re: Servo with electric head press that run on single phase?? any options
Post by: ZooCity on January 18, 2016, 09:22:22 PM
On our 2013/14 Sportsman EX, it's a matter of swapping some electrical components- breakers and such.  Not hard to do and M&R has the parts.  So you could retrofit a 3ph machine to single if you wanted to pick up something used, fyi.
Title: Re: Servo with electric head press that run on single phase?? any options
Post by: Gilligan on January 18, 2016, 10:39:30 PM
We have three phase and our Sabre still came single phase.

I guess I like that, the inverter is what is reading out the speed of the motor, not sure if that happens when it's on 3 phase... Probably does.
Title: Servo with electric head press that run on single phase?? any options
Post by: numbercruncher on January 19, 2016, 08:40:43 AM
The Anatol all electric VOLT is available in single or 3 phase  up to 12 colors/14 stations and a print area of up to 20x20". The infrared flashes are also available in single or three phase. There is no extra charge for this option.
Michael Jirasek
Anatol Equipment
mj@anatol.com
Title: Re: Servo with electric head press that run on single phase?? any options
Post by: numbercruncher on January 19, 2016, 08:52:10 AM
The Anatol all electric VOLT is available in single or 3 phase  up to 12 colors/14 stations and a print area of up to 20x20". The infrared flashes are also available in single or three phase. There is no extra charge for this option.
Michael Jirasek
Anatol Equipment
mj@anatol.com

Meant to add - you don't have to worry about your compressor/chiller being single or three phase as none is needed
Title: Re: Servo with electric head press that run on single phase?? any options
Post by: Printficient on January 19, 2016, 09:02:01 AM
The Anatol all electric VOLT is available in single or 3 phase  up to 12 colors/14 stations and a print area of up to 20x20". The infrared flashes are also available in single or three phase. There is no extra charge for this option.
Michael Jirasek
Anatol Equipment
mj@anatol.com

These are impressive presses.  There are 3 in Atlanta.  I have seen all three running.  Very smooth and adaptable.
Title: Re: Servo with electric head press that run on single phase?? any options
Post by: Gilligan on January 19, 2016, 09:48:05 AM
Brings up a good point, a full quarts fash is gonna be huge on amperage at single phase.

Flash back on the Sabre is only singe phase as it doesn't need more.
Title: Re: Servo with electric head press that run on single phase?? any options
Post by: numbercruncher on January 19, 2016, 09:59:50 AM
Brings up a good point, a full quarts fash is gonna be huge on amperage at single phase.

Flash back on the Sabre is only singe phase as it doesn't need more.

A good point as a compressor and chiller w/ mini quartz flashback(by the way what is the amp draw?) is likely to be similar to a full size flash.
Title: Re: Servo with electric head press that run on single phase?? any options
Post by: Gilligan on January 19, 2016, 10:13:23 AM
I'm guessing without being at my shop 20 amps @220v.

My 7.5hp might actually be overkill for the small air requirements the Sabre needs but we use air for many other things in the shop and I can't imagine not having air (we blow out screens for faster drying, blow out the embroidery machine, full up the tires in the vehicles, blow out computers... I have drops all over for convenience.). But I think it's a single phase 30 amp circuit without looking.

But these are separate circuits... So the cabling isn't as robust and expensive either.

What does a single phase FULL size quartz flash draw?
Title: Re: Servo with electric head press that run on single phase?? any options
Post by: jvanick on January 19, 2016, 10:19:20 AM
A good point as a compressor and chiller w/ mini quartz flashback(by the way what is the amp draw?) is likely to be similar to a full size flash.

flashback = 20A
5hp rotary air compressor = 30A (breaker)
-- so you're at 50A

our 20x24 flash runs on a 50A 3ph breaker (quoted draw is 43A) -- on a single phase breaker quoted draw is 72A.
Title: Re: Servo with electric head press that run on single phase?? any options
Post by: Gilligan on January 19, 2016, 10:23:44 AM
Damn!

What gauge wire is that? 4?
Title: Re: Servo with electric head press that run on single phase?? any options
Post by: jvanick on January 19, 2016, 10:36:27 AM

for drops on a standard SOOW cord per NEC:

10ga - 25A
8ga - 35A
6ga - 45A
4ga - 60A
2ga - 80A

for a single phase flash drop with a rating of 72A, he'd have to go with a 2GA cable to be within code.

Title: Re: Servo with electric head press that run on single phase?? any options
Post by: nvenda on January 19, 2016, 10:37:46 AM
Is there any press out there that will run on 1 phase that have servo drive and electric heads....or is this out of the question???

Jon

Hi,

We at ROQ can supply single phase machines. Check our website. Let me know if you have any questions. I'll be happy to help you. We already supplied several single phase machines for the US.
We can supply any YOU model with single phase and ECO model up to 16 pallets.


Keep on ROQing!!!
Title: Re: Servo with electric head press that run on single phase?? any options
Post by: Gilligan on January 19, 2016, 11:18:58 AM

for a single phase flash drop with a rating of 72A, he'd have to go with a 2GA cable to be within code.



Wooo... now that's a spicy meat ball!
Title: Re: Servo with electric head press that run on single phase?? any options
Post by: Binkspot on January 19, 2016, 11:37:18 AM
When you dig into many presses they are built for single phase anyway. Three major system. Controls are 24v so they use a transformer, print heads run off inverters being supplied single phase then converts it to 3 for speed and direction control and the servo amp which craves good voltage and current, single works fine for this.
You typical 7.5 hp compressors single phase is 30a but once started drops way off and consider its not running constantly maybe 30% of the time. Chillers draw maybe 1-2a, cycling ones are only running as needed.
A quarts flash drawing 70a will fall off quickly once warmed up, so you are not drawing 70a continuously.
Energy is energy, amount consumed will pretty much be a constant be it a press and compressor or just a press.
Title: Re: Servo with electric head press that run on single phase?? any options
Post by: Gilligan on January 19, 2016, 11:42:52 AM
When you dig into many presses they are built for single phase anyway. Three major system. Controls are 24v so they use a transformer, print heads run off inverters being supplied single phase then converts it to 3 for speed and direction control and the servo amp which craves good voltage and current, single works fine for this.
You typical 7.5 hp compressors single phase is 30a but once started drops way off and consider its not running constantly maybe 30% of the time. Chillers draw maybe 1-2a, cycling ones are only running as needed.
A quarts flash drawing 70a will fall off quickly once warmed up, so you are not drawing 70a continuously.
Energy is energy, amount consumed will pretty much be a constant be it a press and compressor or just a press.

100% agreed.

Problem is initial cost of that 70 AMP run is still the same price. :)

Also, that's 72% of my total power in my shop, so even if it's only during warm up... that's still not gonna fly in my shop. :(
Title: Re: Servo with electric head press that run on single phase?? any options
Post by: ebscreen on January 19, 2016, 12:07:27 PM
FWIW the Calmat flashes are 50 amps for 18x20 area single phase.
And faster than the MSI's we have that are three phase.

Downside being that they achieve this with carbon element lamps that
are ~$700 each.
Title: Re: Servo with electric head press that run on single phase?? any options
Post by: T Shirt Farmer on January 19, 2016, 12:36:53 PM
FWIW the Calmat flashes are 50 amps for 18x20 area single phase.
And faster than the MSI's we have that are three phase.

Downside being that they achieve this with carbon element lamps that
are ~$700 each.

Sean how many bulbs are there in a calmat flash
Title: Re: Servo with electric head press that run on single phase?? any options
Post by: ebscreen on January 19, 2016, 01:35:12 PM
6, running longways for some reason.
Title: Re: Servo with electric head press that run on single phase?? any options
Post by: numbercruncher on January 19, 2016, 02:51:57 PM
Hopefully, Repogolfer understands that his question has done alot of good when it comes to providing /talking about automatic presses, flashes, electrical requirements and all yhe options -before one makes that decision.
Title: Re: Servo with electric head press that run on single phase?? any options
Post by: BorisB on January 19, 2016, 02:59:06 PM
6, running longways for some reason.

puzzles me as well. On one machine they run across, on one longways.