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screen printing => Equipment => Topic started by: TCT on January 19, 2016, 05:29:01 PM
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Not posting this to start company/brand politics, just saw this ant thought 1) Damn, that would be cool and 2) THAT THING IS HUGE!!!!
https://youtu.be/XI50jyrYl20 (https://youtu.be/XI50jyrYl20)
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Not sure what it is but watching those portuguese make me smile LOL ;D ;D ;D That oval makes mine look like a damn toy geeeez
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Not posting this to start company/brand politics, just saw this ant thought 1) Damn, that would be cool and 2) THAT THING IS HUGE!!!!
https://youtu.be/XI50jyrYl20 (https://youtu.be/XI50jyrYl20)
Shame that you feel the need to put that disclaimer in the post. :(
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that is a serious press...
-J
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That's what she said! ;D
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When I get back to Spain next year, I'm going to drive to the factory and get me a tour'
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MAN!!! that's HUGE!
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Didn't put this up earlier, but those that care, 62 station 20 color!
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What do you need a 20 color press for... especially one that can flash after just about every head?
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waterbase inks.....
There are 50 color alphas in china....
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Have a dryer on each end and run two jobs at once. Potentially
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Print head, 2 open stations, print head, ect. That is how the "pro" series ones are all made.
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What do you need a 20 color press for... especially one that can flash after just about every head?
Ask me in 3 months.. have a 28 station oval on paper right now.. end of week it should be on order.
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Have a dryer on each end and run two jobs at once. Potentially
Double index.. two loaders run front and backs at the same time
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What do you need a 20 color press for... especially one that can flash after just about every head?
Ask me in 3 months.. have a 28 station oval on paper right now.. end of week it should be on order.
What kind? Can't leave us hanging without giving some details on it!
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What kind? Can't leave us hanging without giving some details on it!
After the paper is signed and hands are shaken, I'll let you know.
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Have a dryer on each end and run two jobs at once. Potentially
Double index.. two loaders run front and backs at the same time
Done that about 25 ys ago on a Precision versa-oval. Print run was 3 million f/b
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Its pretty impressive to see these size machines in operation. Though I think they should make sure their 12 color round presses work the way they should.....BANG! first shot fired >:(
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There is a big ass Alpha8 (30 plus stations) within an hour and a half of me that I've heard won't fit in my shop (Yes I considered taking a look but price tag way to much)
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I think you picked the wrong graphic.
This was the one you were wanting:
Nope, very satisfied with my selected graphic.
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Its pretty impressive to see these size machines in operation. Though I think they should make sure their 12 color round presses work the way they should.....BANG! first shot fired >:(
Is there a faulty 12-color out there somewhere? :) I haven't exactly been doing any investigative research on the equipment manufacturers recently but it certainly matters to potential buyers if there is something hanging out there that isn't right.
Oh, that sig line quote is classic :)
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Probably should be left for another post rather than derail this one....ooops
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Probably should be left for another post rather than derail this one....ooops
Don't worry the phone will ring in a few. LOL
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If man builds it there are bound to be one or two mistakes made now and then, if you've never made a mistake your in a club that's very very very small ;). Now as far as the oval press don't care who makes them, but looks like they could save tons of room now that I really look at them. 8)
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Maybe Danny or Rich can chime in.
Can you have a no-shirt skip sensor in the middle of the oval, or two shirt skip sensors? if technically you wanted to print two different designs at a time on them? My guys won't run without the skip sensor, love to take a stretch their backs/take a drink in the middle of long runs.
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Maybe Danny or Rich can chime in.
Can you have a no-shirt skip sensor in the middle of the oval, or two shirt skip sensors? if technically you wanted to print two different designs at a time on them? My guys won't run without the skip sensor, love to take a stretch their backs/take a drink in the middle of long runs.
I think M&R holds the patent on the shirt sensor and I am not aware of anybody else offering them . . .
pierre
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Roq has a function in their presses where you can program the press to print either odd or even pallets..... So you can setup job a on the even pallets, and setup job b on the odd pallets and run two jobs at the same time. There's a couple companies in europe with Roq's doing this daily. Some of them are running 4 jobs on the same auto at the same time. Having the oval to double index gives you lots of flexibility. Like mentioned you can have 4 operators on the one press printing double the speed or running multiple jobs at once. Another feature we love about the oval is being able to flash between any print head and having the ability to run 10 flashes on the machine at once(we have had 6 flashes on the press at one time doing HSA work)
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I just deleted some posts. if it's not contributing to the topic, please start another thread with the thoughts/comments. . .
pierre
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While I'm sure the press ain't cheap, twenty flashes adds up too!
And that's like what, 1200 amps? Hope they aren't on PG&E peak pricing...
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Maybe Danny or Rich can chime in.
Can you have a no-shirt skip sensor in the middle of the oval, or two shirt skip sensors? if technically you wanted to print two different designs at a time on them? My guys won't run without the skip sensor, love to take a stretch their backs/take a drink in the middle of long runs.
I think M&R holds the patent on the shirt sensor and I am not aware of anybody else offering them . . .
pierre
i know if a couple other presses that have them --they maybe just under the lawyer radar. its amazing that a simple proximity switch can be patented, for application alone .
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I've heard of shops in bfe africa having presses with 30+ flashes on them...
I jokingly asked if they had a nuke plant next to the shop.. turns out some of them have HUGE 2-megawatt diesel generators (like the size of a locomotive).
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You know that global economics are out of whack when you can literally burn diesel to generate
electricity to flash inks and still make money.
If HSA ever becomes mandated the US infrastructure is in for a doozy.
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Roq has a function in their presses where you can program the press to print either odd or even pallets..... So you can setup job a on the even pallets, and setup job b on the odd pallets and run two jobs at the same time.
Our ECO 16/12 is set up exactly like this. We have no screen head at station 9 (and also none at 3, but that's open for a flash) and got ROQ to add a cut down control panel at the second load station so that we can run the press with 2 loaders and 1 unloader. We also have positioning lasers, skip shirt buttons and foot pedal control at both loading stations. ROQ customised the machine to our exact requirements, and even wrote a special program for the control computer.
For us it's about short runs, we can print a long run (which for us is anything more than about 200 shirts!) and several smaller runs at the same time - In a market where run lengths are dropping like a stone a single press doing multiple jobs is much more efficient than the alternative of running jobs one after the other (small job customer has to wait for longer runs to finish) or having all the costs of a second machine which may or may not be fully utilised.
A big multi colour press spinning for hours on a 1 or 2 colour job with most of the heads being unused while several small run 1 or 2 colour jobs wait their turn does not make sense to me.
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after running 4 jobs concurrently, how much time for breakdown, and the new setups? Does it work out?
Steve
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all good info. I've always wondered what the benefit of an oval would be. truthfully, an oval in our shop would fit way better than a traditional circular press. we are thinking about getting a bigger press and going up to a 10 or 12 color. 4 extra feet is going to cause us to do some rearranging if we go that route. not the end of the world, but a pain in the butt with the way our shop is laid out right now.
I'm also assuming that they are much more expensive than a traditional circular press. Which is probably the biggest concern over having to rearrange the shop!!
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Roq has a function in their presses where you can program the press to print either odd or even pallets..... So you can setup job a on the even pallets, and setup job b on the odd pallets and run two jobs at the same time.
Our ECO 16/12 is set up exactly like this. We have no screen head at station 9 (and also none at 3, but that's open for a flash) and got ROQ to add a cut down control panel at the second load station so that we can run the press with 2 loaders and 1 unloader. We also have positioning lasers, skip shirt buttons and foot pedal control at both loading stations. ROQ customised the machine to our exact requirements, and even wrote a special program for the control computer.
For us it's about short runs, we can print a long run (which for us is anything more than about 200 shirts!) and several smaller runs at the same time - In a market where run lengths are dropping like a stone a single press doing multiple jobs is much more efficient than the alternative of running jobs one after the other (small job customer has to wait for longer runs to finish) or having all the costs of a second machine which may or may not be fully utilised.
A big multi colour press spinning for hours on a 1 or 2 colour job with most of the heads being unused while several small run 1 or 2 colour jobs wait their turn does not make sense to me.
How are you setting this up? One job that maybe you run 200 of (job A)? Then a 1-2 color job of say 50 (job B)? and then another 1-2 color of 50 for job C? Do you have a loader for job A then a loader for job B, you complete job B and immediately go to job C while job A is still going?
Trying to work this out in my head so things wouldn't get all mixed up.
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I could see this feature being cool for say race shirts where you have a front and a back...
get 2 people at the end of the belt, one person to bring the shirts back around to the 2nd loader on the press...
much less 'logistics' when running the job...
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Maybe Danny or Rich can chime in.
Can you have a no-shirt skip sensor in the middle of the oval, or two shirt skip sensors? if technically you wanted to print two different designs at a time on them? My guys won't run without the skip sensor, love to take a stretch their backs/take a drink in the middle of long runs.
I think M&R holds the patent on the shirt sensor and I am not aware of anybody else offering them . . .
pierre
i know if a couple other presses that have them --they maybe just under the lawyer radar. its amazing that a simple proximity switch can be patented, for application alone .
this was what I remembered and it could be completely wrong! I was hoping somebody else would know more.
pierre
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Maybe Danny or Rich can chime in.
Can you have a no-shirt skip sensor in the middle of the oval, or two shirt skip sensors? if technically you wanted to print two different designs at a time on them? My guys won't run without the skip sensor, love to take a stretch their backs/take a drink in the middle of long runs.
Yes we can do multiple short sensors on the same press.
I think M&R holds the patent on the shirt sensor and I am not aware of anybody else offering them . . .
pierre
i know if a couple other presses that have them --they maybe just under the lawyer radar. its amazing that a simple proximity switch can be patented, for application alone .
this was what I remembered and it could be completely wrong! I was hoping somebody else would know more.
pierre
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after running 4 jobs concurrently, how much time for breakdown, and the new setups? Does it work out?
Steve
With CTS, tri loc and press carts, it's about 2 minutes per head to remove old screens/tools and put the new ones in. With the removal of wasted setup times these days, presses print longer and more than they ever did in the same 8 hrs shift.
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Roq has a function in their presses where you can program the press to print either odd or even pallets..... So you can setup job a on the even pallets, and setup job b on the odd pallets and run two jobs at the same time.
Our ECO 16/12 is set up exactly like this. We have no screen head at station 9 (and also none at 3, but that's open for a flash) and got ROQ to add a cut down control panel at the second load station so that we can run the press with 2 loaders and 1 unloader. We also have positioning lasers, skip shirt buttons and foot pedal control at both loading stations. ROQ customised the machine to our exact requirements, and even wrote a special program for the control computer.
For us it's about short runs, we can print a long run (which for us is anything more than about 200 shirts!) and several smaller runs at the same time - In a market where run lengths are dropping like a stone a single press doing multiple jobs is much more efficient than the alternative of running jobs one after the other (small job customer has to wait for longer runs to finish) or having all the costs of a second machine which may or may not be fully utilised.
A big multi colour press spinning for hours on a 1 or 2 colour job with most of the heads being unused while several small run 1 or 2 colour jobs wait their turn does not make sense to me.
How are you setting this up? One job that maybe you run 200 of (job A)? Then a 1-2 color job of say 50 (job B)? and then another 1-2 color of 50 for job C? Do you have a loader for job A then a loader for job B, you complete job B and immediately go to job C while job A is still going?
Trying to work this out in my head so things wouldn't get all mixed up.
Hi,
I was reading this thread with pleasure and could not let this go.
I want to share some with you videos we took from a ROQ customer. These show a ROQprint Oval Pro with 50 pallets and 16 colors. So its literally a "smaller" machine than the one presented on our last video.
Still they run 4 jobs at the same time in this platform!
Enjoy :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_4Z9SA4VXg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_4Z9SA4VXg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSx8lugqMaI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSx8lugqMaI)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-4jN0Xh5Bs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-4jN0Xh5Bs)
PS: the quality of the videos is not very good but they are able to clearly show the work being done.
Feel free to shoot any questions!!!
and
Keep on ROQing!!!
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How are you setting this up? One job that maybe you run 200 of (job A)? Then a 1-2 color job of say 50 (job B)? and then another 1-2 color of 50 for job C? Do you have a loader for job A then a loader for job B, you complete job B and immediately go to job C while job A is still going?
Trying to work this out in my head so things wouldn't get all mixed up.
Hey Bulldog - You got it in one. In your example loader 1 would load job A onto the even pallets from the main cnotrol station that has two open pallets (loader and unloader), Loader 2 who is round the other side at station 9 would then load job B and when finished job C while loader 1 is ploughing on with job A. The unloader would be unloading both jobs.
The computer is set to odds and evens, so it knows that for example job A is using screens 1, 2, flash and 3 and so on up to potentially screen 8, then it knows that Job B is being loaded at station 9 and using screens 10, 11 and 12.
Obviuosly you have to have a press with the right number of pallets and open stations to achieve this trick.
So effectively we can print a 2 colour job with a flash in between on a shirt loaded at the second load station. It's pretty cool to watch the computer work it out, it will even work out a skipped shirt, although given that each loader is only loading every second pallet if they get it wrong they are really not trying.
Job change over is easy and quick we use a system similar to the ROQ film registration gizmo and all the frames are pin registered to the gizmo and the press.
Don't ask me for detailed breakdown of cost comparisons which I know you blokes in the states are keen on, truth is I have no idea. For us we can only afford one press, and so that one press has to be versatile enough to do everything that is thrown at it and then some.