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screen printing => General Screen Printing => Topic started by: jvieira on January 21, 2016, 04:47:39 AM
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This is the main complaint in our shop. We are using waterbased pallet glue (made the switch from cans last year and it was worth it!!) but glue residue is still getting everywhere.
Our people keep complaining they have glue residue on the shirt stock, also lots of it on the floors (they become sticky rather quickly) and pretty much everywhere else. How do you guys deal with this?
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How are you applying it. Here we use Xenon Xenzu PAC which is a adhesive remover with an ink degrader in it. Perfect for cleaning the floor and residue from the press.
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First you should be cutting it 50/50 with water, second apply with a foam roller. No mess.
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We use a brand from Tekmar, I don' think we mix it with water at all. Depends on the brand you use/glue.
However we put it in a gatorate bottle with a pin hole in the top. Squirt it on pallets, and swipe it with a cleanup card. It shouldn't get in the air...
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We cut 50/50 with water and keep it in a Dollar Store size dish detergent bottle. We apply it using a CleanUp card.
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We use a brand from Tekmar, I don' think we mix it with water at all. Depends on the brand you use/glue.
However we put it in a gatorate bottle with a pin hole in the top. Squirt it on pallets, and swipe it with a cleanup card. It shouldn't get in the air...
What he said.
I can't even fathom glue everywhere.
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We use a brand from Tekmar, I don' think we mix it with water at all. Depends on the brand you use/glue.
However we put it in a gatorate bottle with a pin hole in the top. Squirt it on pallets, and swipe it with a cleanup card. It shouldn't get in the air...
What he said.
I can't even fathom glue everywhere.
That''s because you didn't print in the 80's and 90's. ;)
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We use a brand from Tekmar, I don' think we mix it with water at all. Depends on the brand you use/glue.
However we put it in a gatorate bottle with a pin hole in the top. Squirt it on pallets, and swipe it with a cleanup card. It shouldn't get in the air...
What he said.
I can't even fathom glue everywhere.
That''s because you didn't print in the 80's and 90's. ;)
No, I get it with spray tack... I've seen that... everything looks like a muppet.
I'm saying using waterbase tack I just can't fathom getting that stuff everywhere... it's too easy to use.
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This is the main complaint in our shop. We are using waterbased pallet glue (made the switch from cans last year and it was worth it!!) but glue residue is still getting everywhere.
Our people keep complaining they have glue residue on the shirt stock, also lots of it on the floors (they become sticky rather quickly) and pretty much everywhere else. How do you guys deal with this?
Tell your guys to quit being slobs. That sounds like more of the problem than the glue itself. The only way it gets on stuff is when guys start slinging it in a hurry or they just dont give a sh!t. We card ours on and have used the foam roller too. Very little if any mess.
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We use a brand from Tekmar, I don' think we mix it with water at all. Depends on the brand you use/glue.
However we put it in a gatorate bottle with a pin hole in the top. Squirt it on pallets, and swipe it with a cleanup card. It shouldn't get in the air...
What he said.
I can't even fathom glue everywhere.
That''s because you didn't print in the 80's and 90's. ;)
No, I get it with spray tack... I've seen that... everything looks like a muppet.
I'm saying using waterbase tack I just can't fathom getting that stuff everywhere... it's too easy to use.
Some folks do apply water based adhesive with a spray gun, but then need to take a little care and perhaps use the simple mask I've talked about for years.
If it takes a little longer to be neat, so be it!
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yea...confused like others. Since using waterbased adhesive there is no glue or residue anywhere but on the top of my pallets...not on the floor, anywhere on the press, the shirts, etc.
I apply with a paper towel and a restaurant squirt bottle, cut at least 50/50 with water. I use textac. I have been using the same bottle for something like 4 years...it lasts forever.
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Haha I JUST ran out of Textac, and replaced it. I told everyone it lasted for 4 years! It does go a long way.
Cutting it in half also reduces the initial "Bite" to it. A few new press ops slathered that stuff on like Mayo on a sandwich, and the shirts had to be surgically removed!
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Haha I JUST ran out of Textac, and replaced it. I told everyone it lasted for 4 years! It does go a long way.
Cutting it in half also reduces the initial "Bite" to it. A few new press ops slathered that stuff on like Mayo on a sandwich, and the shirts had to be surgically removed!
Been using textac for years myself. Goes a long, long way and I really like it.
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I started to use a foam roller after years of dribbling...ahem..... the stuff out of a ketchup bottle, and spreading the dribbles around with a foam brush.
The roller is better, at least for me. No mess whatsoever.
I also can't imagine how the liquid gets on your press, floors, etc.
CCI Top Bond for us, cut with water at least half and half, probably way weaker than that most times. I don't really measure. I just fill the squirt bottle a ways, then put in at least that much water and shake. I love the stuff.
Hoodies still get web spray most times, unless its just a couple of turns around the carousel. I use the Cardboard Frog "O" Mask™® every single time I spray it. Spraytac icks me out so bad....
So add my voice to the mystified masses.
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get one of these, the tight cell foam roller works great and soon will skin over with the WB stuff.
one hint....... add some ordinary food coloring to the 50 / 50 or 60/40 or something to something water / bond mix so you can see better how you are covering the pallet.
mooseman
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get one of these, the tight cell foam roller works great and soon will skin over with the WB stuff.
one hint....... add some ordinary food coloring to the 50 / 50 or 60/40 or something to something water / bond mix so you can see better how you are covering the pallet.
mooseman
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exactly how we do it! works amazing!
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get elmo bath tabs from walmart. you get a ton of them for $4. dissolve them in water first and then add them.
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...I had a batch that smelled AWFUL for some reason. I got one of those scented plug-in refills (the kind that is like an oil in a little glass bottle), and poured one in there. Worked great, and the nice smell lasts a LOOOOOOONG time when the pallets get warm!
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...I had a batch that smelled AWFUL for some reason. I got one of those scented plug-in refills (the kind that is like an oil in a little glass bottle), and poured one in there. Worked great, and the nice smell lasts a LOOOOOOONG time when the pallets get warm!
agreed! we had a batch that smelled like terrible cheese. stunk the whole shop up for a few months. i was too cheap to buy a new gallon.
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Back when I was an operator I would always be meticulous about the cleaning, maintenance and most importantly the setting of my Textac spray gun.
You only need to use a small amount, and you want it coming out at a very conservative pace and be well atomized. If after the first warmup round the pallets need a little more tack? Spray lightly one more time. Repeat as necessary.
Of course everyone else in the shop set their guns to "holy isht" mode and there is glue everywhere. We cover our pallets of blanks and completed product with cardboard.
Once when my gun was broken I just slathered it on with a water moistened rag...warmup flashing took care of the rest. I tried to convince others that this was a great way to go...and spritzing with water every couple hundred shirts reinvigorated it for another hundred or so before having to be reapplied. Instead everyone just continued on blasting epic quantities of it far to often.
It. Is. Everywhere.
But for what these entry level guys are getting paid I can't actually expect them to care for much beyond the paycheck.
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you guys should try vanilla. I put it in latex paint to get rid of the smell while painting. you don't need that much to make a difference.
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Second page and don't even know if he is using spray... how about it j?
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Second page and don't even know if he is using spray... how about it j?
Sorry. Yes, we're using a Tekmar spray gun. We tried the roller and card approach earlier on but it took too long, it was just not efficient for production.
We are not diluting 50/50 with water, though.
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Second page and don't even know if he is using spray... how about it j?
Sorry. Yes, we're using a Tekmar spray gun. We tried the roller and card approach earlier on but it took too long, it was just not efficient for production.
We are not diluting 50/50 with water, though.
I don't believe that the lack of dilution is contributing to the mess. It's a matter of care, and as I said, you may need to take a little more time.
Since an application lasts for so many shirts, and it doesn't need to be applied that often, it's a small sacrifice to take a little longer. Perhaps use a simple mask on the boards to reduce overspray.
Also, are your guys constantly re-applying when the stickiness starts going away, or do they also "de-fuzz"?
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get one of these, the tight cell foam roller works great and soon will skin over with the WB stuff.
one hint....... add some ordinary food coloring to the 50 / 50 or 60/40 or something to something water / bond mix so you can see better how you are covering the pallet.
mooseman
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Do you clean the rollers after every application? At the end of the day?
You just dump the 50/50 glue into a little tray and go to town?
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I never clean mine. I made a little vertical stand to put the handle in. The roller is suspended in the air while I'm not using it. I'm still on my first roller refill after several months of use.
Mr. Moosey converted me from foam brushes. (Insert Happy Moose call here....) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--PyKhohVcY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--PyKhohVcY)
It's about an 8" piece of scrap PVC waterpipe glued to a small square of Sintra (also PVC--sheeting marketed for signmakers) but anything would work. If the roller were to sit in contact with something, it would make a flat spot.
Mine is pretty nasty looking, but it still is smooth enough to do a good job. I probably need to change it, but when new, they sorta act different. They kinda "squish" on the first few platens, then they relax. That seems to get better over time.
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We cut it with water, and put it in a ketchup bottle. Squirt a happy face(sad face if it is Monday) on the pallet and scrub it in with a $.50 scrub pad. Cycle the press with the flashes on and we are ready to go.
Saw something interesting at the Virus both this weekend, they had a cardboard "fence" if you will, 4" tall he picked up and held around the perimeter of the platten while spraying his adhesive. Not that I want to switch back to a spray, but was a pretty good idea.
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Must keep lid on when not in use, but this is how the roller stays all the time, I change roller 1 or 2 times a year.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v143/jlansdell/20160125_100645_zpsriuajxgm.jpg)
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"Must keep lid on when not in use, but this is how the roller stays all the time, I change roller 1 or 2 times a year." dirkdiggler
Interesting approach!....
Do you roll right over your old fuzz?
From time to time I do several runs of fleece in a row, and I know I'm gonna change paper afterward. I always use Web Spray (Huck! Phooey!) (I hate to even say those words...) for hoodies because I can't really apply WB tack with my roller over fleecey fuzz. It doesn't work right for us. I use the cardboard mask just like Frog posts sometimes and it helps a lot.
I'm not a high production shop. I don't mind de-fuzzing once in a while with a spraybottle of Simple Green and a floor-type scrubby. But with hoodies, its about every other round with Waterbased Tac. So I spray the **** **** and just grin and bear it.
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spray tack here for hoodies and yes it F*$ks up your pallets, we try to do all the shite work on one press so we don't mess up pallets all around. Yes I roll right on top of old fuzz, fuzz won't hurt you, strings and garbage will, you must pick that off before rolling.
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Bristle brush and water will reactivate. We prefer not to reapply over fuzz as large areas of waterbase pick up bugs and lint