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screen printing => Ink and Chemicals => Topic started by: noortrd on March 14, 2016, 08:24:48 AM
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Which plastisol black is jet black and good washing fastness?
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Do you want to be able to print it wet on wet?
Soft feeling?
Do you want a thicker deposit?
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International Coatings offers one in their 700 series actually called Jet Black. They actually list four blacks.
http://www.iccink.com/pdfs/700Series.pdf (http://www.iccink.com/pdfs/700Series.pdf)
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We need black which is same after washing. Mostly black fade after washing.
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Are you printing your black last or flashing immediately after it? Or printing it wet on wet at any point?
Your answer will let us tell you if your black will stay BLACK.
When you see the black ink "fade", you are really seeing the shirt fibers coming through the black ink layer. Those fibers are making the black look faded.
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and I always have gotten more fibrilation from ring spuns like Beefys.
noortrd, if this is the issue, you should be able to see these fibers peeking through when viewed up close and personal. Another demo/test to illustrate fibrilation I used to use with clients was a dampened finger making the fibers a little more translucent and making the ink appear darker.
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My supplier recommand me to add 3% fiberbond (rutland) to virtually eliminate Fibrillation.
Once add, pot life is eround 8 hours)
We mainly use waterbased, and a nice black that stay black after washing is permaset supercover, we like matt colors.
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if you want to be super sure your black hangs in with the rest of the ink opacity over time, you can always shoot an extra black screen, print it, before your under base, so you print black, underbase, flash, then hit your highlight black at the end. A pfp of almost any brand black is the ticket, but if you don't want to gloss, go with Wilflex Matte Black, or Rutland HO black. Both of those finish with no gloss if printed print flash print. Other wise, use a lower mesh screen than you would, "if it's spot color", and double hit that black. But like first typed, a print flash print will always stand the test of time with the other colors and beat the fibers. Or, build your white ub to have a like 10 or 15% of underbase printing where your black will print so that there is a little something under there to matte down the fibers, and that will also keep your black vibrant for lots and lots of heavy washes. Just some things we've done to over come that dilemma. nothing worse than giving a customer a nice 8 color print that's been underbased and shirts was 3 or 4 times and the shirt fibers start showing in the black areas. I feel your pain man!
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Wonder if Synergys black is better for this? I too am having the same problem
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Wonder if Synergys black is better for this? I too am having the same problem
NexGen Black has been in the market for less than 18 months but in that time and based on client feedback and direct observation I am convinced we resist fade very well and I absolutely know we are very black and matte the surface and entrap fibers very well. A wide range of acceptable mesh would be 150 to 330; at 180 mesh with ex: 65/95/65 the drape is perfect and the image will have no gloss with excellent fiber encapsulation PROVIDING we run at high to maximum stroke speed.
Notwithstanding there are some very explicit and exotic solutions to "the black problem" detailed in this thread so I do not want to underestimate the scope of the problem nor do I want to under value your needs or the expectations of your customers. So rather than tell you "my stuff might be OK" I have a request. Will you consider allowing me to investigate with you to see if we can find a robust but elegant solution to the problem?
If so please PM me and we'll get started right away. On my end we will need to ID the worst case scenario, set up some test parameters and wash test for applicability.
thanks,
Joe
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Hi Joe , is there a website with more information on your new range of inks and availability?
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Hi Joe , is there a website with more information on your new range of inks and availability?
http://www.synergyinks.com/ (http://www.synergyinks.com/)