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screen printing => Equipment => Topic started by: Prosperi-Tees on June 10, 2016, 07:37:09 PM
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Whatever happened to Marcodie? Looks like they are no longer in the US?
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From my understanding they are done. Family situation and delivery issues.
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That's to bad. I seen a banner ad on this site not long ago and just wondered because everything is shut down, even Northstar graphics as well.
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BAD situation. I hope the guys involved get well and whatever lays ahead of them I sure hope they have better luck. From what I was told a few awful things happened that nobody would wish on their enemy and it could have happened to any of us. Just know the downfall wasn't due to anything self-inflicted or crooked like we've seen with other guys trying to break into the industry.
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dont worry we still alive stronger then before
our future BYOP build your own press
www.marcodie-international.com (http://www.marcodie-international.com)
sales@marcodie.com
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pf3TTWPfMMk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pf3TTWPfMMk)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVRxxtel0Dw&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVRxxtel0Dw&feature=youtu.be)
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Could you please explain the difference between Marcodie International, and Marcodie USA?
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This is a interesting concept.
If you can assemble your press you should be able to fix it yourself
in the future.
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I'm guessing here, but I'd bet that less than 5% of all screen printing shops (maybe even less than that) would have the skills and knowledge necessary to assemble and correctly align/calibrate an automatic press.
this is a very interesting concept tho.
back in 2008/2009 I purchased the plans to build a 4'x4' CNC wood router... after a lot of trial and error, including building a smaller cnc machine to build the bigger one, i was able to build and make the 4x4 operational -- which it actually still works great to this day... but that being said... I make a lot more money printing shirts than trying to assemble and tune a machine.
So I guess it does have it's niche, but that would also all depend on price point..
is this a price point that competes against picking up an used auto for 15k, or is it going to be costly?
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Would have to be stupid cheap.... like STUPID.
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Sounds right up my alley! I love turning wrenches and putting things together. The center center can already be pre-registered from the factory, correct? Heim joints for pallet and print arm leveling is smart and easy to adjust. Biggest hurdle for the DIY guys would be safely placing the center section over the bearing shaft. How heavy is it?
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This company is in Kuwait so I take it they are looking at
world wide sales.
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All due respect, WHO HAS TIME TO DO ALL OF THAT??????? We could barely prep the shop for the install of our new gear that WAS BUILT AT THE PLANT BY SKILLED PROFESSIONALS! I hope it works out for you guys, but a busy print shop doesn't have time for all of that. Just my opinion, but kinda common sense.
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All due respect, WHO HAS TIME TO DO ALL OF THAT??????? We could barely prep the shop for the install of our new gear that WAS BUILT AT THE PLANT BY SKILLED PROFESSIONALS! I hope it works out for you guys, but a busy print shop doesn't have time for all of that. Just my opinion, but kinda common sense.
I haven't even looked into this stuff yet, but I can tell you that while there are plenty of busy established shops with no time for this, there are also a bunch of folks who are just exploring the possibilities of becoming one of those shops, and looking to save every nickel they can!
An hour on the newbie forums and YouTube illustrates this shoestring budget approach to the nth degree!
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All due respect, WHO HAS TIME TO DO ALL OF THAT??????? We could barely prep the shop for the install of our new gear that WAS BUILT AT THE PLANT BY SKILLED PROFESSIONALS! I hope it works out for you guys, but a busy print shop doesn't have time for all of that. Just my opinion, but kinda common sense.
I haven't even looked into this stuff yet, but I can tell you that while there are plenty of busy established shops with no time for this, there are also a bunch of folks who are just exploring the possibilities of becoming one of those shops, and looking to save every nickel they can!
An hour on the newbie forums and YouTube illustrates this shoestring budget approach to the nth degree!
At first I thought it seemed to be all the assembled parts showing up in crates and you would put them together like a typical install, but watching the video they are literally intending on shipping individual parts to be assembled from scratch. Can you imagine how long it would take someone to do that when it takes some of the bigger factories months to build a machine with a team. I just don't see it working. I mean even skilled techs encounter issues with a machine that has been built at the factory, but going nut for nut bolt for bolt just seems a little crazy with something so precise. Who knows, maybe there is someone out there, I can't see someone that's never done this before receiving all those little things and pulling it off before they go under. We aren't a big shop by any means, and I'll have a box of something little show up and it might be a week before I can get around to it. To each their own I guess.
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Like Brandt said, it would have to be CHEAP.
I would be willing to bet even those of us who think we could build it properly, would inevitably make mistakes that would botch the build.
That concept seems like a Technical Support nightmare for Marcodie.
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I love the idea - but... people have a difficult enough time with ikea furniture.
one would have to be skilled enough to put it together correctly. i couldnt imagine hiring someone off the street and expect them to put it together.
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All due respect, WHO HAS TIME TO DO ALL OF THAT??????? We could barely prep the shop for the install of our new gear that WAS BUILT AT THE PLANT BY SKILLED PROFESSIONALS! I hope it works out for you guys, but a busy print shop doesn't have time for all of that. Just my opinion, but kinda common sense.
I agree BUT I could also argue the opposite. If you have every single piece there waiting to be put together, you don't have to clear out a space for the new press yet, you can put together a head every day or so in free time of in the evening. Make sure everything looks right and matches the hopefully stellar instructions/illustrations/videos.
It's not like these are erector sets or legos that can be put together in any way you want. There aren't any extra bolt or threaded holes to choose from, as long is things aren't on backwards or upside down you should be fine.
I know with my Anatol, the PCBs are marked for which head plugs in where. So head 1 has a cable that runs from the head control to the board in the center with a 1 next to it, just plug it in. Same with air lines.
All that being said, you still should know a little about how presses are assembled and work prior to doing something like this and I'm sure I'd be a nervous wreck on the first index & stroke lol
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Like Brandt said, it would have to be CHEAP.
I would be willing to bet even those of us who think we could build it properly, would inevitably make mistakes that would botch the build.
That concept seems like a Technical Support nightmare for Marcodie.
This is what I was really going after. I mean, I'd love to order a Big Bear Chopper's kit and tinker with building my own bike. As handy as I am, I'm not willing to risk my life, or other's lives "thinking" I'm a skilled motorcycle tech. This thing could, as you stated, by a service nightmare. I don't see a company being able to properly warrantee a machine that wasn't built by a certified mechanic. Cool idea for those that like to tinker and or build, like Binkspot, I'm sure he could do it, but I bet business wise, he might not since the time involved would take away from the needed day to day grind. Maybe he would. ;)
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I would put them together but.....
I would be concerned about dropping the carousel on the shaft, get it cocked and jamed up going down you could spend a day getting it straightened out and finished.
Other concern is the size of the drive belt and if it ever needed to be changed. Too short and you can't walk it off the bottom of the press, would you have to strip the machine to lift it off going up?
What about reg, does it need to be dialed in or is it a automatic like a CH3?
Small press I don't think would be that bad, 12, 14 or 16 would be days if not a week to assemble. It takes enough time assembling a machine, now you basicly have an erector set. A lot of time is burned up assembling each screen holder, print head, etc.
I can see coms cables getting pinched and or cut mounting or bolting stuff.
Warranty I think would be a disaster, bunch of finger pointing. You put that together wrong.
Their tech support line would be on fire. Think about the 3-5 calls into a Mfg trying to fix a simple issue.
What happens if you get a defective part, maybe holes drilled in the wrong place. It would need to be replaced but what would the lead time be.
Not saying it's a bad idea but if the machine ends up in the hands of some yahoo. Gets damaged being assembled, is he stuck with a $30k unusable machine.
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I can't think of a good reason to do this outside of it being like 5k for a 100k machine. LOL
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But didn't you guys hear the Robot voice?!
Its easy!
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Sorry Guys but i think its easier to setup Marcodie press as an BBQ Grill or furniture from IKEA. The front and rear screenholder are preassambled ,heads ard 4 time bolted.
airpipe are in 3 Colors , ribbon cable you cant mix up just plug in. Level the heads horizontal with adjustable head support ( left right), the same with the Tabel.
Put one Pallet in Level, Clamp one flat screen in the screenholder, but 4 coins on pallet,level all screenholder on the first pallet,level all the rest of pallets on the first Head,connect air and power, loose the registration pins exept #1, Turn on the power,
put the registration pin to the #1 , set the machine to zero, run the registration preadjustment mode arround 30 minutes,tight slowly bolt step by step," done start print !!" sorry dont forget the cover (:-
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sounds good to me but then again i'm a mechanical monster who can rebuild and engine from a pile of parts..
my brother still has trouble with the flat and Philips head screwdriver.
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"Build Your Own Press" just conjures up images of some plans one would buy off eBay for me...
I suppose it is one way to go. What roughly does a 8 color press cost delivered to somewhere in the states?
The thing that I just can't for the life of me understand, is WHY do people keep trying to revive this company? There is a proven poor track record and it seems to close up and re open up every few years. Is there anything proprietary about the company? I know at one point they had the
"1 squeegee" system, but none of the last presses I've seen online have featured that.
More power to ya man, but I think you got a uphill battle....
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For the very first build, I am thinking it would take a person with a strong mechanical and electrical background 4-5 full days to assemble all of this press. Most likely longer once you run into unforeseen issues, hardly as easy as putting together a BBQ grill
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For the very first build, I am thinking it would take a person with a strong mechanical and electrical background 4-5 full days to assemble all of this press. Most likely longer once you run into unforeseen issues, hardly as easy as putting together a BBQ grill
I thought the exact same thing when I moved my press from one location to the new spot. I overestimated the time it would take. With me and one other person, the teardown to a bare press with arms/lines/connections numbered and re-numbered it took like 3 hours max.
Putting it all back together I thought would take 2+ days. With the same helper, we had the press at the new location, leveled, heads hung and arms bolted on in about 5 hours. Then the next day I took probably another 4-6hours to SLOWLY level each head, center pallet arms, level boards and hangers, clean and regrease everything as I went.
I would think a NOVICE with a took kit could accomplish assembly easily in a couple days if they worked 8hr days. Looks like it's a self-registering press as well so no worries about that which is the number one fear of all printers (OMG is my press out of registration).
All that said, who is Marcodie International and who here in the states even has one? I'd need a solid amount of customer feedback before I jumped in and bought a T-jet -oops I mean Marcodie.
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For the very first build, I am thinking it would take a person with a strong mechanical and electrical background 4-5 full days to assemble all of this press. Most likely longer once you run into unforeseen issues, hardly as easy as putting together a BBQ grill
I think what people are also missing is allllllllll the air lines, allllllllllll the wiring. If it's a true from the ground up build, it would take longer that 5 days for someone who's never done it. Just sayin. Even an 8 color press, man that's a lot of parts.
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They say there are some in Los Angeles
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It comes down to price...
If its 8K for a 12/14 with AC heads I think we could all find the time haha
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I am confused, the video for the BYOP shows basically a box or parts where everything needs to be assembled, screen holders, print heads, pallet arms, etc.
MARCODIE_INT_BYOP are you saying it comes more or less like any other press with modules for lack of a better word to be bolted onto a base? Base and stack comes assembled, bolt print heads and pallet arms on and more or less done? So basically its like buying a press from just about any other mfg but the customer puts it together? Reg is automatic, no reg device and dial indicator?
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It comes down to price...
If its 8K for a 12/14 with AC heads I think we could all find the time haha
If its 8k for 12/14's I will take 2 today. :D LOL
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It comes down to price...
If its 8K for a 12/14 with AC heads I think we could all find the time haha
If its 8k for 12/14's I will take 2 today. :D LOL
I'd take one too for that price.. ESPECIALLY if the source code for the plc and operator control panel were to be provided...
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They say there are some in Los Angeles
There is one up here, but last I heard the whole ordeal was less than peachy....
Sure would be interesting to hear a rough price on a 10 station 8 color.....
Hell, if they make a tag printer I'll take one! :)
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I was told 34K but not quite sure what that really was.
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skilled Guy can assambl 4 heads a day , lower an upper Base you need maximum on day , normaly one week maximum for 10 to 14 color machine
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Concerning Warranty and Parts: Servo Motor or Servodrive all Beckhoff (German) located 2 times US, all other parts available on AMAZON US
for Service you can connect machine on Internet for diagnos. But machine has anyway self diagnose on the Alarmlist.
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What does a 8 color 10 station cost?
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Here you go:
http://www.digitsmith.com/marcodie-scorpion-10-12-screenprinting-press-48398.html (http://www.digitsmith.com/marcodie-scorpion-10-12-screenprinting-press-48398.html)
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i doubt that is the actual price...but if it is...i would entertain that. That is stupid cheap.
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It is and you can make an offer.
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I would be concerned of any missing parts.
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Was it delivered and never installed? Hmmmm
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That looks to be the case
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Is it complete? Thats ridiculous price if complete. Buy that and hire someone like Binkspot to install it.
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Is it complete? Thats ridiculous price if complete. Buy that and hire someone like Binkspot to install it.
For a 10/12 with AC heads. My thoughts exactly.
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Ill tell you right now, I am seriously considering it. We are nearly to the point where a second press will be needed and 10k is crazy interesting.
You guys with manuals or older autos should be ALL OVER this.
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WOW! I bet that is the one the shop up here got screwed out of!
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10k is insane cheap. How could you go wrong on that?
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I don't know if I have 10k to drop on a press from a dead manufacturer sold as is...
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But the manu is not dead, they are alive and well.... in Kuwait or something like that.
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People did it with playtex and spent a lot more than that. LOL
Assuming its all there, and its just a assemble deal, 10k seems like a almost a no brainier and I am a all M&R shop.
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Hard to feel comfortable assuming with 10 grand...
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You can get a ton of pictures if you ask. They sent me a ton.
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Hard to feel comfortable assuming with 10 grand...
There are manufactures that don't back up 100k machines worth a crap and people buy them all the time lol. If timing was a little different or I didn't really really just want to keep all blue presses in here id be all over this.
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For 10K on the used market, that press is 10x more than you would get with anything else.
Non-existent manufacturer support or not...
All air Gauntlet II's are going for twice this!
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Don't they use 3x3" 80/20 extrusions as pallet arms?
Seeing that reminded me of Lawson's press.
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Although This Looks Like A Deal To Good To Be True! It Is.
A Really Nice Machine That The Seller Forgets To Mention Has Never Been Programed, AND Is Not Complete.
Probably could be done for $35k Maybe More.
The Austrian Duo Stole the Program Evidenced By Their New Camel Company In Kuwait.
That Being Said, It Is A Nice Machine.
Go For It, If You Like Problem Solving. You Would Learn Quite A lot.
Tempted Myself!!! Nahhhh
winston
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Well there ya go
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if it's not programmed, that would be the kicker... Figuring out ladder logic is not something easy... I investigated writing an 'open-source' press controller that could be reconfigured to handle things like old Javelin's (timer based only) and Gauntlets (proximity-sensor controlled) and the like using a pc with digitial IO cards and a real-time linux kernel, along with a ladder logic back-end like EMC/LinuxCNC
I spent about a week deeply investigating what it would take and decided that with the value of my time it just wasn't worth it to attempt it.
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I wouldn't even consider it if it was missing anything. 10k though if its all there someone would be a fool to pass up.
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Would it be possible to somehow copy the programing or whatever all those big words Jason was talking about, off of a running machine in the field?
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Would it be possible to somehow copy the programing or whatever all those big words Jason was talking about, off of a running machine in the field?
If the machine is complete, and we are talking just someone like Bink putting it together and a plan trip to a running machine to copy the software... still seems like a good deal.
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it might be easier to buy it from Marcodie directly. . .
pierre
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it might be easier to buy it from Marcodie directly. . .
pierre
Oh yes, because they have proven to be a honest bunch.... :P
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depending on the type and how the PLC is programmed, it's not just as simple as 'copying' the code off.
Many times you need the original source, and a programmer to 'compile' the code before uploading it.
this is special, custom stuff that's developed by the PLC manufacturer themselves. If I remember correctly, the programming 'software' for the Mitsubishi PLC's costs around 5k
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On Siemens and Allen Bradley PLC's you can upload from the PLC to a laptop if you have the software and correct cable (PLC terminology is backwards from the normal way of thinking) The problem with this is when the PLC programmer writes the logic they have all kinds of comments that tell you what the code is doing. None of that gets downloaded to the PLC, just the raw code to save memory. So if you did get the code off somehow, you would have no idea what you were looking at if it didn't work. On top of that the Touch screen would have another separate program needed to communicate to it and its own code. If either of these two pieces were not on the machine you would have a giant paperweight unless Marcodie were to give these to you. But then even if they did, depending on the PLC you would need a copy of the software, and in the case of a Siemens PLC a special $500 cable just to hook up to it. Not to mention Siemens PLC software is in the Thousands like Jason mentioned.
If Marcodie wouldn't give either of these two pieces of information to you, it wouldn't matter if the press were free, it would be a waste of money on something as complex as that machine.