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screen printing => Equipment => Topic started by: mimosatexas on August 27, 2016, 12:53:31 PM
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I have the chance to buy a used 6/8 javelin with compressor for 1500 bucks. Only issue is I cant test it as it is in a storage unit without electrical. Would you pay that without being able to test it? What would it be worth as a parts machine for someone else assuming it's not actually operable? Anything I can test or look out for without turning it on? Just looking for advice...
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Tough call. Can you look at over general condition/cleanliness? Can you have a guarantee it will function after set-up if it's being sold as "functioning"? At that price I don't think you can expect much, but there is pretty good support for the machine still, and parts available, so you don't have much to lose at that price i.m.o. A sickly auto with 2-3 functioning heads and a flash-cure will almost always smoke any manual and would be a great addition.
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What could be wrong with it that would truly make it not worth that? I assume I could part it out and recoup close to the cost minus the hassle of dealing with it of course. Would anything specific make it dead weight that would be visible without trying to turn the thing on?
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Could just be worn right out, print cylinders, center shaft/bushing etc someone will know more specifics than me on that machine. A call to a Javelin tech for advise would be a good idea.
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Call Brannon at Spot Color Supply. He can advise you.
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Javelins actually run on bearings not a bushing. I've never seen one that couldn't be fixed. My biggest concern would be the PLC. If you are willing to put in some tlc 1500 with a compressor sounds like a steal to me..?? Any clue what year it is? Does it include a flashback?
Edit: I was posting as king said that lol ^^^
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I'll get some more details and give you a call. Thanks!
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you can also call Kenny Wilganowski in Houston. He knows javelin's inside and out, as he used to run the company when it was in Houston.
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What ever happened to the sweet deal embroidery machine?
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Haven't had time to pick it up so pretty much no update...
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That's just cool. Don't know how you find these deals but I'm kinda jealous. As for the auto can you take a portable generator to see if the computer starts up? I don't know what will happen with it disassembled, probably some error codes but atleast you'll know it works.
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Looks like electrical may be available actually after talking to the guy again, at least a 20 amp 110. Not sure what the specs would be for the press. Doubt the compressor would run off that, lol.
As for finding deals, a lot of it is Internet searches, but the best deals usually come "through the grapevine" if that makes sense. I try to be helpful and talk to lots of random shops around Texas, and I contact lots of people who know people about smaller used equipment purchases and here and there a real score comes along. Like I'll talk to someone about a 50 dollar hat press and 6 months later the guys friends dad is trying to get rid of a press or dryer and they remember me. Really random.
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Looks like electrical may be available actually after talking to the guy again, at least a 20 amp 110. Not sure what the specs would be for the press. Doubt the compressor would run off that, lol.
As for finding deals, a lot of it is Internet searches, but the best deals usually come "through the grapevine" if that makes sense. I try to be helpful and talk to lots of random shops around Texas, and I contact lots of people who know people about smaller used equipment purchases and here and there a real score comes along. Like I'll talk to someone about a 50 dollar hat press and 6 months later the guys friends dad is trying to get rid of a press or dryer and they remember me. Really random.
Before folks became pretty much "digitally dependent" , word of deals often came from supplier reps who made the rounds, and knew who was doing what, and when they were closing down, or stepping up and needing to unload old equipment. Often, price was determined by how much storage room one had.
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The press runs on 110.
Bring a drop cord. The plug is short, and on top.
1. Power up the base
2. Open up the pannel on the bottom (3/8 hex, in front of the load/unload station).
3. You should see the PLC
4. Call workhorse to confirm all of the lights are as they should be????
They can also help you determine the age of the press.
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Awesome info! Thanks
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Depending on where it's at, even if you don't power it up, take off some lower access panels and look inside to see if it was flood damaged.
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All great advice. Should be looking at it around midweek.
As for moving it if it looks like a good deal, I know Jason moved his on a little 4x8 trailer, which is probably what I will be doing unless I need another setup. Would a standard pallet jack work to lift and move it? Would I be able to ramp it onto a small trailer with two people and some ratchet straps?
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All great advice. Should be looking at it around midweek.
As for moving it if it looks like a good deal, I know Jason moved his on a little 4x8 trailer, which is probably what I will be doing unless I need another setup. Would a standard pallet jack work to lift and move it? Would I be able to ramp it onto a small trailer with two people and some ratchet straps?
A pallet jack will lift it fine. If you are only going to have 2 people I would rent/buy a come-a-long.
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Good call. Just grabbed one off amazon. Been wanting one for a while anyway!
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I moved ours on a 6x12 trailer twice. Once from Indiana to home, 2nd time from our house to our new shop.
Make sure you get a trailer with a reinforced ramp. It's no fun having the press and pallet jack fall through the ramp. (Don't ask me how I know)
1500 is a killer deal.
The plc is the only thing to worry about, as the older ones are now few and far between. That being said, if it's a festo plc, they do not have batteries and are pretty bullet prood.
You would need air hooked up to do any testing.
If you have questions, hit me up, I've been through every inch of those machines.
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I sold a 6x8 Javelin to a Houston printer about 5 years ago (shown in the attached link).... if you end up purchasing the Jav , here's a rough tutorial on paralleling the machine. I haven't had any feedback about this video, but the process worked well for me.
http://www.theshirtboard.com/index.php/topic,9948.msg97406.html#msg97406 (http://www.theshirtboard.com/index.php/topic,9948.msg97406.html#msg97406)
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I shot you a PM on facebook Jason, but it was probably filtered. Let me know if you can't see it for whatever reason.
As mentioned earlier, having power to the machine should let me know if the PLC is "ok" right? I understand I wouldnt be able to fully test without air, but I can at least see if the thing turns on and isn't DOA, right? If I end up buying this thing I will definitely be adding two chopper retrofits right away, so I will probably have lots to talk about with you if you're willing. I'm pretty savvy, but I still will probably try to get a tech out asap as well.
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The biggest issue with these presses is the PLC, since it is no longer available. Phil Ritz at Workhorse is who you need to speak with, and he can tell you what to look for if you can get it to power up, but if the PLC is shot, or has a bad card in it that they do not have in stock (they have very limited cards left, if any now) you're looking at around $5,000 for a new computer upgrade unless it is a newer press.
I've owned a 10/12 and my father has a 10/12 as well and we've done just about everything you can with them, if you need more help, shoot me a pm.
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I shot you a PM on facebook Jason, but it was probably filtered. Let me know if you can't see it for whatever reason.
As mentioned earlier, having power to the machine should let me know if the PLC is "ok" right? I understand I wouldnt be able to fully test without air, but I can at least see if the thing turns on and isn't DOA, right? If I end up buying this thing I will definitely be adding two chopper retrofits right away, so I will probably have lots to talk about with you if you're willing. I'm pretty savvy, but I still will probably try to get a tech out asap as well.
You can check that the computer is operating right, and you can also take a pen and press the button on the top of the air valves to see if they are getting power, without air it wont do anything but you can check that the valves are working properly as well.
On the retrofit, depending on the age, it may not be possible to do that upgrade. But, before you spend that kinda cash on an upgrade, you should try printing with the V squeegee, it is entirely possible to get a good white ink using it, you just need to use an ink that flows well. Personally, for me I use One Stroke Inks LB Premium White, but have had good success with other inks as well, they just need to be somewhat creamy and clear the screen easily.
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Looks like I should be picking this up tomorrow, assuming everything is kosher. Can someone who has some experience moving and setting these guys up shoot me a PM with your phone number so I can pick your brain a little. Trying to get everything figured out logistically today vs in the morning if possible. Thanks everyone for all the help so far.
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I'm happy to help. Cell is in my sig line.
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Looks like I should be picking this up tomorrow, assuming everything is kosher. Can someone who has some experience moving and setting these guys up shoot me a PM with your phone number so I can pick your brain a little. Trying to get everything figured out logistically today vs in the morning if possible. Thanks everyone for all the help so far.
I just got my email returned from yesterday saying it was being delayed 24 hours that i sent in reply, hope you got your questions answered, if not, shoot me a message with your number and i'll give you a call.
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Just wanted to post an update. Got everything moved, but have not had any time to actually set it back up or test it. Ended up using a wood bottomed 6x14 double axle, and it worked perfectly. Altogether I got the 6/8 javelin, 3 sets of pallets (adult, youth, sleeve though not a complete set), a compressor, chiller, and a roller frame stretching table. Guy ended up needing it out immediately yesterday as he had new people coming into the building today so he adjusted the price to COMPLETELY FREE! It definitely needs work. Bent bold on the index cylinder being the most glaring issue. Looks like some of the air lines will need work of course, and it only has 4 of the V-squeegees, but can't get a better deal than free.
I want to thank Brannon (who I called Brandon on the phone, sorry!) for being available a bunch to answer questions, and Jason (jvanick) as well. Both answered a lot of questions and had invaluable advice on how to break the machine down and move it. I was super nervous about everything, but they made me a lot more confident. I will say, I expected the machine to be more complicated, but honestly once I got into the disassembly it was pretty straightforward and I can definitely see how its possible to work on it yourself even without much experience.
Extremely excited to get it setup and tested out. Even if it doesnt end up working out for me, it will be worth it in parts, peripherals, and the experience.
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FREE is the best 4 letter F word
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Our guitar player and I used to have a phrase.
"If it's free, it's me!"
Mostly that applied to meals on the road and such... but it translates well in other parts of life. ;)
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That's awesome man, congrats!
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Really can't go wrong with the free. Congrats
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Really can't go wrong with the free. Congrats
if you have the room.
Very similar deal when I got my Workhorse Mach press, also sitting in a storage unit. To empty out the place and save the rent, the guy threw in my dryer.
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So, it looks like I am liking going to have to let this press go instead of keeping and using it. My space can't properly support it, and I can't currently find or afford to move to a space that can.
I would like to sell it and make some money off of it of course, but it definitely needs work and can't be tested in my current space. What would it be worth with that caveat? It came with a flashback, Speedaire 5Z639A compressor which seems to sell for around $800 to $1k used, and an Arrow Pneumatics Dryer (can't see the model number). Cost to move it was about $500 all in with gas, trailer rental, tow truck, etc. Took me about a day and a half with driving time.
Would $5k be reasonable?